the only thing i said in regards to employment was directed at the teenage anarchist who posted earlier.
walmart provides many employment opportunities and offers significant savings on consumer staples. what more do you need for class mobility?
So now Walmart is causing poor people to become less poor?
No, more likely causing poor people to buy more low quality junk they don't actually need.
But hey, they got a McDonald's right there in the store. Who could ever ask for more?
i'm saying that if you were to use walmart as an example of a vehicle for class mobility, they are not a bad example. please explain how walmart causes poor people to buy "low quality junk they don't actually need." are you saying poor people are incapable of free will or are somehow too stupid to make smart choices on purchases?
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PatrickCrazy said:
HarveyCanal said:
PatrickCrazy said:
the only thing i said in regards to employment was directed at the teenage anarchist who posted earlier.
walmart provides many employment opportunities and offers significant savings on consumer staples. what more do you need for class mobility?
So now Walmart is causing poor people to become less poor?
No, more likely causing poor people to buy more low quality junk they don't actually need.
But hey, they got a McDonald's right there in the store. Who could ever ask for more?
i'm saying that if you were to use walmart as an example of a vehicle for class mobility, they are not a bad example. please explain how walmart causes poor people to buy "low quality junk they don't actually need." are you saying poor people are incapable of free will or are somehow too stupid to make smart choices on purchases?
I guess you've never been to a Walmart just before Christmas.
the only thing i said in regards to employment was directed at the teenage anarchist who posted earlier.
walmart provides many employment opportunities and offers significant savings on consumer staples. what more do you need for class mobility?
nothing better for class mobility than paying a minimum wage that has barely been adjusted in two decades, not providing any health benefits, and blocking any attempts at collective bargaining. All the while selling plastic bullshit manufactured in China in factories with high suicide rates and the safety standards of the Triangle Shirt Factory.
I don't get people who think profit and "successful businesses" matter more than human dignity.
the only thing i said in regards to employment was directed at the teenage anarchist who posted earlier.
walmart provides many employment opportunities and offers significant savings on consumer staples. what more do you need for class mobility?
nothing better for class mobility than paying a minimum wage that has barely been adjusted in two decades, not providing any health benefits, and blocking any attempts at collective bargaining. All the while selling plastic bullshit manufactured in China in factories with high suicide rates and the safety standards of the Triangle Shirt Factory.
I don't get people who think profit and "successful businesses" matter more than human dignity.
If we are going to discuss this we should at least speak the facts.
The minimum wage in the U.S. is $7.25. Wal-Mart does not set this, the Government does.
The average Wal-Mart employee makes $11.75 an hour...62% higher than minimum wage
$11.75 an hour is 2.5% lower than the national average for retail employees which is $12.04 an hour.
Wal-Mart employs more than 1.4 million people
If Walmart decided to use 100% of its operating profit to pay all of its employees more, the average store associate's salary would go from $11.75 an hour to $17.62 an hour.
Perhaps the US?
Socialized schools, libraries, police, fire, roads, air travel, waterways, retirement, old age medical insurance, agriculture, energy exploration, mineral extraction, climate change scientists, space exploration, telecommunications infrastructure, sewer, food stamps for part time Wal-Mart employees who wouldn't be able to feed their families otherwise.
It is a myth that low wages are necessary for profit (look at Costco or other major corporations known for fair wages). The government might set the minimum wage, but employers choose whether or not to compensate more than that. Wal Mart can afford to bring starting wages to above the poverty level - and not raise the prices of their goods - they choose not to.
This is a circular discussion. Wal Mart is disgusting, big business needn't be, and many have shown this is the case.
Perhaps the US?
Socialized schools, libraries, police, fire, roads, air travel, waterways, retirement, old age medical insurance, agriculture, energy exploration, mineral extraction, climate change scientists, space exploration, telecommunications infrastructure, sewer, food stamps for part time Wal-Mart employees who wouldn't be able to feed their families otherwise.
It is a myth that low wages are necessary for profit (look at Costco or other major corporations known for fair wages). The government might set the minimum wage, but employers choose whether or not to compensate more than that. Wal Mart can afford to bring starting wages to above the poverty level - and not raise the prices of their goods - they choose not to.
This is a circular discussion. Wal Mart is disgusting, big business needn't be, and many have shown this is the case.
while your point is entirely valid, costco's entire business model throws any comparability out the window. with the membership system, they've gone into the profit before they even open the doors. after that's it's pretty much a self sustaining enterprise.
The excuses are longer than the line-ups. I wasn't directly comparing the two; I was saying that paying fair wages when you can afford to doesn't mean the death of your business..
The excuses are longer than the line-ups. I wasn't directly comparing the two; I was saying that paying fair wages when you can afford to doesn't mean the death of your business..
i dont see it as much of an excuse. i was merely pointing out that the two have completely dissimilar business models, while the outcome appears to be the same.
If you have a business that relys on having full -time employees to operate and you claim you cannot afford to pay a living wage, cannot afford to give paid sick leave, and cannot afford health care because providing those things will cause you to go out of business then guess what, you cannot afford to run a business and you have failed at Capitalism. Sick of the whining of owners of fast food, retail, etc. establishments making the claim that the aforementioned things will put them out of business. Those things should be considered into overhead. If you can't cover your overhead, then your business is a failure.
define living wage brah
and i could have sworn "overheard" were things that you had to cover to run a a business; not magical things the OH HEY HERES SOME SHIT FOR NO REASON fairy dropped off
To make enough money to pay for the basic necessities of life (food, clothing, safe shelter, healthcare, mobility) for an extended period of time. There are slight variations on this with more things on the list, depending on the country/school of thought.
define living wage brah
and i could have sworn "overheard" were things that you had to cover to run a a business; not magical things the OH HEY HERES SOME SHIT FOR NO REASON fairy dropped off
the fuck does any of this mean pegboy?
Yes, wages are overhead. Insurance is overhead. Have you ever run a business?
To make enough money to pay for the basic necessities of life (food, clothing, safe shelter, healthcare, mobility) for an extended period of time. There are slight variations on this with more things on the list, depending on the country/school of thought.
1. how do you deal with the massive inflation caused by basically guaranteeing everyone everything?
2. why would i work the hours i work when i could work less in a lot stressful position and still be taken care of?
I am not even halfway interested in pursuing this conversation. If you don't see the value and importance of having a healthy, economically capable population - not just from the standpoint of caring for your fellow man, but for the benefit of one's business and society at large - nothing I can say will make a difference. There are reams of sources that can say it much better than I can. I am not going to pound it out in a pointless match.
bassie, come on. there's a huge difference between me not
see(ing) the value and importance of having a healthy, economically capable population - not just from the standpoint of caring for your fellow man, but for the benefit of one's business and society at large
and me disagreeing with the way to go about doing so
If Wal-Mart paid their retail employees 1% of what they pay their top paid executive they would get $180,000 a year.
As a friend of mine says, socialism is the worse economic system in the world, except for all the others.
Please ask your friend what Socialist country he is using as an example of this?
It's a retread of the Churchill quote: "???It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried.???
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With all due respect - this is one of the best/craziest/most horrible things I've read.
Please start all your comments with "I am a Socialist" for perspective sake.
I guess you've never been to a Walmart just before Christmas.
And stupid people can be easily tricked into buying shit they don't need and can't afford.
We have to protect the stupid from themselves.
Now I'm going to go remove my tongue from my cheek.
nothing better for class mobility than paying a minimum wage that has barely been adjusted in two decades, not providing any health benefits, and blocking any attempts at collective bargaining. All the while selling plastic bullshit manufactured in China in factories with high suicide rates and the safety standards of the Triangle Shirt Factory.
I don't get people who think profit and "successful businesses" matter more than human dignity.
If we are going to discuss this we should at least speak the facts.
The minimum wage in the U.S. is $7.25. Wal-Mart does not set this, the Government does.
The average Wal-Mart employee makes $11.75 an hour...62% higher than minimum wage
$11.75 an hour is 2.5% lower than the national average for retail employees which is $12.04 an hour.
Wal-Mart employs more than 1.4 million people
If Walmart decided to use 100% of its operating profit to pay all of its employees more, the average store associate's salary would go from $11.75 an hour to $17.62 an hour.
If Wal-Mart paid their retail employees 1% of what they pay their top paid executive they would get $180,000 a year.
As a friend of mine says, socialism is the worse economic system in the world, except for all the others.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/walmart/view/
It also goes into the harm to the US economy done by the free trade agreement Clinton signed with China, which nobody seems to mention these days.
Please ask your friend what Socialist country he is using as an example of this?
Socialized schools, libraries, police, fire, roads, air travel, waterways, retirement, old age medical insurance, agriculture, energy exploration, mineral extraction, climate change scientists, space exploration, telecommunications infrastructure, sewer, food stamps for part time Wal-Mart employees who wouldn't be able to feed their families otherwise.
who signed it?
This is a circular discussion. Wal Mart is disgusting, big business needn't be, and many have shown this is the case.
Perhaps dude.
while your point is entirely valid, costco's entire business model throws any comparability out the window. with the membership system, they've gone into the profit before they even open the doors. after that's it's pretty much a self sustaining enterprise.
i dont see it as much of an excuse. i was merely pointing out that the two have completely dissimilar business models, while the outcome appears to be the same.
The business model was not my point.
and i could have sworn "overheard" were things that you had to cover to run a a business; not magical things the OH HEY HERES SOME SHIT FOR NO REASON fairy dropped off
the fuck does any of this mean pegboy?
Yes, wages are overhead. Insurance is overhead. Have you ever run a business?
wages that i choose to pay my employees are overheard
a mystical yet undefinable "living wage" is not
insurance coverage that i choose to give my employees is overhead
insurance coverage that i don't choose to give my employees is not
paid vacation i decide to give my employees is overhead
magical vacation courtesy of the european experiment is not
fast food does not require any specialized skills so wages and benefits are not competitive. it's not very complicated
1. how do you deal with the massive inflation caused by basically guaranteeing everyone everything?
2. why would i work the hours i work when i could work less in a lot stressful position and still be taken care of?
and me disagreeing with the way to go about doing so
It's a retread of the Churchill quote: "???It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried.???