P.S. There's an old rule of the thumb that you should always make, at least, your age in thousands. While costs have gotten much higher, it seems that in many lines of work that that rule is still stands.
What value are you providing to the employer. Cause if you ain't your expendable. You'll be SWAYZE real quick like. So you take the value your providing and figure how much money you will make them then figure out how much they are willing to pay for that value and were there profit margine is at. They will def try and dick you and use things like "you don't have any real world experiece" and "we are putting you on a trial period". F that you didn't spend all the loot and time to make what your average grocery worker makes. Aim for the sky, walk right in and ask for a cool half a mill right up front. See what they say. Remember they have for years been making a good living working deals and angles. Don't let them get in your head.
What value are you providing to the employer. Cause if you ain't your expendable. You'll be SWAYZE real quick like. So you take the value your providing and figure how much money you will make them then figure out how much they are willing to pay for that value and were there profit margine is at. They will def try and dick you and use things like "you don't have any real world experiece" and "we are putting you on a trial period". F that you didn't spend all the loot and time to make what your average grocery worker makes. Aim for the sky, walk right in and ask for a cool half a mill right up front. See what they say. Remember they have for years been making a good living working deals and angles. Don't let them get in your head.
and then when they "dick you", proceed to Starbucks and take Now Hiring sign out window and get job.
I dont think the "you don't have any real world experience" is an employer trying to dick you, they are looking out for their best interest in getting a candidate thats marketable for their position...is a person with a degree and no experience best qualified over a person with no degree and 10+ years of experience in a related area?
Fresh out of college, no real world experience....cant really resonably aim for the sky.
Remember they having been making a good living running a business that hires people that add value.
Pay your dues and shit will happen, 30k first year, 40 the second after busting your ass.....up and up from there.
What value are you providing to the employer. Cause if you ain't your expendable. You'll be SWAYZE real quick like. So you take the value your providing and figure how much money you will make them then figure out how much they are willing to pay for that value and were there profit margine is at. They will def try and dick you and use things like "you don't have any real world experiece" and "we are putting you on a trial period". F that you didn't spend all the loot and time to make what your average grocery worker makes. Aim for the sky, walk right in and ask for a cool half a mill right up front. See what they say. Remember they have for years been making a good living working deals and angles. Don't let them get in your head.
They also didn't get to be in a position of hiring folks for a position because they are stupid either (even if they ARE stupid, they were smart enuff to convince someone they were smart at some point).
Know your worth, know the market(this is a smart thread, Graf, because you are amassing lots of info here), and understand the variables. Aim high, yes, but be pragmatic and you'll get there.
I've finally gotten around to interviewing for some jobs and I'm curious what people think is good. In the Midwest (barring Chicago, maybe) I would say $30k is a reasonable starting salary for your generic business grad.
Here's what you do: go into the interview acting supremely confident--not arrogant--just confident that you can more than handle the duties of the job being offered. If you want to make 30k and they ask you what your salary range is, say "something in the low 40s." In all seriousness, you should practice saying this beforehand; it will most likely sound preposterous to you the first few times you say it.
They'll most likely counter with, "Well, that's a little higher than we were thinking. How about 35?"
To which you may respond, "35? How about I start at 35 and--if you're happy with my performance after 6 months--you bump me up to $38"
Very few companies (that would be worth working for) will scoff at this--they have an out if you don't perform (no raise). Just be sure to get this in writing as part of your offer letter. I've done this a few times and it always worked for me.
Young people are afraid to ask for decent money because they think the company will send them packing, but it's rarely the case. If that is the case, consider a red flag.
All I know is that my English degree left me qualified for just about nothing. With a skillset like that, 30K wouldn't seem particularly bad. But I want to be a big dude one day, so I shipped myself off to law school. After three years of this grind, I can sell my soul to the highest bidder and get my marcofunk on with two hot women beside me waiting to escort me to deerock's next champagne and shirtsleeve shindig. If i have to close a retirement home, cut down a forest, or sell drugs to kindergardern students on my way to riches, so be it.
All I know is that my English degree left me qualified for just about nothing. With a skillset like that, 30K wouldn't seem particularly bad. But I want to be a big dude one day, so I shipped myself off to law school. After three years of this grind, I can sell my soul to the highest bidder and get my marcofunk on with two hot women beside me waiting to escort me to deerock's next champagne and shirtsleeve shindig. If i have to close a retirement home, cut down a forest, or sell drugs to kindergardern students on my way to riches, so be it.
Future [/b]
So you've just started or recently concluded law school?
Seriously has everything to do with experience and what courses you've taken. A buddy of mine just got his masters in nanotechnology and has job offers from multiple places. He won't tell me but I think he's making $35 or $40 an hour or something silly like that.
His girlfriend has a BA in liberal arts and can't get a job to save her life.
Speaking as a semi-independent 22-year-old who has been working a full-time office job for a year that pays a little over 10K after taxes, who is only a semester away from graduating with an associates degree in general studies (yeah, I don't know exactly what I want to do in the long term yet) and often worries about getting/staying "on the right track" career wise; looking for as much advice as possible, this thread is pure gold.
dude's I think most of ya'll are way on the high side of being paid if you think 30k just out of college is chump change. Given that dude lives in the midwest and not a big city and assuming he is graduation w/ a BS or BA whatever it is at his school in "business". I think he could more or less expect between $18,000 and $24,000. I mean what position is he gonna be applying for? Administrative Assistant? I mean he can't apply for anything else really... Sorry this may seem harsh but in case you haven't checked our economt is not exactly booming... REal worl exprerience is so neccessary... Just go to monster.com and use there salary calculator. I find it to be pretty representative of the real world...
as with any college degree, unless you have work experience, you can't expect to be paid much.
True dat... experience is way more valuable these days than a piece of paper. I started a company while I was still in college so by the time I graduated I was already way ahead of the game. I left my startup soon after graduation for ethical reasons and immediately landed a solid, high paying job.
But all is not lost. If you have no experience, start at the bottom and learn as much as you can about the jobs above you. Actually that goes for any position. Prove your worth and you'll move up quickly. If they're hesitant to move you up, tell them you'll leave. The best way to get promoted is to either leave your job or threaten to leave your job. At the risk of sounding arrogant, this has worked for me and I've been promoted 4 times in the last year. I started in a technical position, but muscled my way into the business side of things so I wouldn't get stuck.
Am I rambling? I've had 2 big coffees today. Friday's... psst. Basically the moral is that it doesn't matter where you start. Choose a job that has advancement opportunities and make it crystal clear that that's your intention. Then once you get comfortable, waste away your career on records and Soulstrut. Oh wait... no, don't do that.
as with any college degree, unless you have work experience, you can't expect to be paid at all.[/b]
true dat. I know plenty of people fresh out of college basically working for free.
I'm in DC and it took me just about a year to land a job. It was worth the wait (I love the job). I'm making 30,500 and I think that is on the higher end of the spectrum for a job like this (non-profit organization, "progam assistant") I know plenty of people making 28-30 doing the same type of work.
as with any college degree, unless you have work experience, you can't expect to be paid much.
True dat... experience is way more valuable these days than a piece of paper. I started a company while I was still in college so by the time I graduated I was already way ahead of the game. I left my startup soon after graduation for ethical reasons and immediately landed a solid, high paying job.
But all is not lost. If you have no experience, start at the bottom and learn as much as you can about the jobs above you. Actually that goes for any position. Prove your worth and you'll move up quickly. If they're hesitant to move you up, tell them you'll leave. The best way to get promoted is to either leave your job or threaten to leave your job. At the risk of sounding arrogant, this has worked for me and I've been promoted 4 times in the last year. I started in a technical position, but muscled my way into the business side of things so I wouldn't get stuck.
Am I rambling? I've had 2 big coffees today. Friday's... psst. Basically the moral is that it doesn't matter where you start. Choose a job that has advancement opportunities and make it crystal clear that that's your intention. Then once you get comfortable, waste away your career on records and Soulstrut. Oh wait... no, don't do that.
DJ Ferrari
The only way you get hired right out of college at a place is if you were already doing an internship there. Otherwise be ready to be dissapointed.
I did an internship while in college for over 1.5 years and was lucky enough to get hired right out the gates.
Most Arts & Sciences degrees are worthless without experience.
You have to start somewhere, that somewhere is many times at the very bottom. A sad reality indeed.
Also, make yourself "important" at your job. Get along with the folks, try not to burn bridges. I'm not an expert at any of these things but doing so has kept me afloat amidst cutbacks and downsizing.
I would say for joining a field with no experience or connections 30 is average. I got a temp-to-perm job in 2001 (post-bubble) that paid more than that, in an industry I had no experience in, and was raised up to 55 (without trying) in three years. For someone starting out with expertise and significant education in the field 30 is inappropriate, IMO.
Graf, you should really look into some of these accelerated graduate programs at some of the major firms - I was involved with one, and it's kind of a fast-track through the assist/admin stages at any company and it'll have you sitting pretty within 18 months.
I would say for joining a field with no experience or connections 30 is average. I got a temp-to-perm job in 2001 (post-bubble) that paid more than that, in an industry I had no experience in, and was raised up to 55 (without trying) in three years. For someone starting out with expertise and significant education in the field 30 is inappropriate, IMO.
This was all in NYC right? Our boy is not looking for work in NYC from what I've gathered. So, why did you "give it all up" to open a record store?
Yo I would say running your own business (Good Records, for example) is a step up from grinding a 9-5 unless you're some senior VP or something at a company. Saying, real world moves.
Yo I would say running your own business (Good Records, for example) is a step up from grinding a 9-5 unless you're some senior VP or something at a company. Saying.
or you're
still getting buck with the irony movement of 2004.
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my collegeless homie makes $9.50 I think
and then when they "dick you", proceed to Starbucks and take Now Hiring sign out window and get job.
I dont think the "you don't have any real world experience" is an employer trying to dick you, they are looking out for their best interest in getting a candidate thats marketable for their position...is a person with a degree and no experience best qualified over a person with no degree and 10+ years of experience in a related area?
Fresh out of college, no real world experience....cant really resonably aim for the sky.
Remember they having been making a good living running a business that hires people that add value.
Pay your dues and shit will happen, 30k first year, 40 the second after busting your ass.....up and up from there.
They also didn't get to be in a position of hiring folks for a position because they are stupid either (even if they ARE stupid, they were smart enuff to convince someone they were smart at some point).
Know your worth, know the market(this is a smart thread, Graf, because you are amassing lots of info here), and understand the variables. Aim high, yes, but be pragmatic and you'll get there.
Here's what you do: go into the interview acting supremely confident--not arrogant--just confident that you can more than handle the duties of the job being offered. If you want to make 30k and they ask you what your salary range is, say "something in the low 40s." In all seriousness, you should practice saying this beforehand; it will most likely sound preposterous to you the first few times you say it.
They'll most likely counter with, "Well, that's a little higher than we were thinking. How about 35?"
To which you may respond, "35? How about I start at 35 and--if you're happy with my performance after 6 months--you bump me up to $38"
Very few companies (that would be worth working for) will scoff at this--they have an out if you don't perform (no raise). Just be sure to get this in writing as part of your offer letter. I've done this a few times and it always worked for me.
Young people are afraid to ask for decent money because they think the company will send them packing, but it's rarely the case. If that is the case, consider a red flag.
I'm not sure if this is exactly a winning strategy...
Future [/b]
So you've just started or recently concluded law school?
Please don't sell drugs to kids, sell 'em records instead
plus you get a free pound of coffee a week
Seriously has everything to do with experience and what courses you've taken. A buddy of mine just got his masters in nanotechnology and has job offers from multiple places. He won't tell me but I think he's making $35 or $40 an hour or something silly like that.
His girlfriend has a BA in liberal arts and can't get a job to save her life.
True dat... experience is way more valuable these days than a piece of paper. I started a company while I was still in college so by the time I graduated I was already way ahead of the game. I left my startup soon after graduation for ethical reasons and immediately landed a solid, high paying job.
But all is not lost. If you have no experience, start at the bottom and learn as much as you can about the jobs above you. Actually that goes for any position. Prove your worth and you'll move up quickly. If they're hesitant to move you up, tell them you'll leave. The best way to get promoted is to either leave your job or threaten to leave your job. At the risk of sounding arrogant, this has worked for me and I've been promoted 4 times in the last year. I started in a technical position, but muscled my way into the business side of things so I wouldn't get stuck.
Am I rambling? I've had 2 big coffees today. Friday's... psst. Basically the moral is that it doesn't matter where you start. Choose a job that has advancement opportunities and make it crystal clear that that's your intention. Then once you get comfortable, waste away your career on records and Soulstrut. Oh wait... no, don't do that.
DJ Ferrari
starting salary: hard dick and bubble gum.
true dat. I know plenty of people fresh out of college basically working for free.
I'm in DC and it took me just about a year to land a job. It was worth the wait (I love the job). I'm making 30,500 and I think that is on the higher end of the spectrum for a job like this (non-profit organization, "progam assistant") I know plenty of people making 28-30 doing the same type of work.
granted, I am working at a non-profit.
The only way you get hired right out of college at a place is if you were already doing an internship there. Otherwise be ready to be dissapointed.
I did an internship while in college for over 1.5 years and was lucky enough to get hired right out the gates.
Most Arts & Sciences degrees are worthless without experience.
You have to start somewhere, that somewhere is many times at the very bottom. A sad reality indeed.
pretty accurate, from my experience
word up, working world
talk the talk and walk the walk
experience is a must
Also, make yourself "important" at your job. Get along with the folks, try not to burn bridges. I'm not an expert at any of these things but doing so has kept me afloat amidst cutbacks and downsizing.
work hard and play hard
I think it is, in Grafwritah's situation.
I would say for joining a field with no experience or connections 30 is average. I got a temp-to-perm job in 2001 (post-bubble) that paid more than that, in an industry I had no experience in, and was raised up to 55 (without trying) in three years. For someone starting out with expertise and significant education in the field 30 is inappropriate, IMO.
Graf, you should really look into some of these accelerated graduate programs at some of the major firms - I was involved with one, and it's kind of a fast-track through the assist/admin stages at any company and it'll have you sitting pretty within 18 months.
or you're
Slap a picture on shaun white on it and sell the shit out of it.