forced evacuations ...
edpowers
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i am not feeling this at all..is it even constitutional?..i never did trust that Nagin dude
and the local news just reported FEMA is going to start providing evacuees with debit type cards to purchase esssentials...
this is getting very scary.......
and the local news just reported FEMA is going to start providing evacuees with debit type cards to purchase esssentials...
this is getting very scary.......
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but the city is basically uninhabitable, soon to be swarming with disease and already covered in chemicals and sewage.
I guess my question is...how is letting someone stay in what amounts to a giant toxic toilet bowl any less scary?
oh wait my other question is what the hell did you google to get that pic? "microchip + implant"?
and i'm afraid this may set some type of weird precedent...of course New Orleans is inhabitable, without question....but is there a black & white definition for inhabitable/habitable ? who defines this in the future?
That's not even factoring in the raw sewage and industrial waste (amongst other things) that abound in that water. It's really, really dangerous. We're talking disease outbreak type dangerous.
Local (to me) example: when the blackout hit here a couple years ago, Cleveland's wastewater treatment plants shut down and dumped raw sewage in Lake Erie.
You couldn't (or weren't supposed to) even go in the water on the Ohio coast of Lake Erie the rest of the year. The parasite counts were off the charts. And this is on a huge body of water that is constantly churning, not standing still.
That's ignoring the fact that many days out of the summer much of the Cleveland coastline is off the charts anyway, and this is with no extra assistance from a natural disaster.
So my friend, that's just crazy. I see those pics of people walking around in knee deep water wearing jeans and I'm like, "Those people are fucking insane." It would be one thing if your neighborhood were dry (sorta), but with those places being soaked down it's hopeless. And even those neighborhoods that were flooded but dried out already doesn't matter - those houses are most likely going to grow mold, and they won't let you reinhabit them anyway. I know from fact, I had family members flooded out in the Georgia floods back in the early 90's.
Unlike other off the wall shit that has come up, there are pretty clear definitions even on the local level in most places. It's usually written into the health code.
but if i'm only harming myself ..why should i be forcefully removed from my property
but who are these people harming? their neighbors? their community?
fuck em', if they want to die in their homes in 10 feet of shit water to hell with em'...but using force just scares me
using force is definitely not the answer. but letting them stay is not the answer either. a lot of these people are sufferring from post traumatic stress disorder, and they really are not thinking straight. they have nothing to hold on to, and all they can think of is staying there. not doing the best to get them to leave is like letting them die. enough of that has already happenned.
I know what you mean, but I think they don't want an outbreak/epidemic on their hands.
I can see both sides though.
What are they gonna do if someone doesn't co-operate? Kill them?
It's the same rationale as shooting someone so they don't commit suicide.
We live in a crazy fucking world. I've spent the last half an hour reading about how wicked Karl Rove is (Wikipedia is quite a resource). I can't take any more of these devils (no racial overtones, these dudes really are minions of satan).
Well, you'd have the potential for an epidemic.
And that's government. Suicide is illegal, your property can be taken through eminent domain, you're paying money into Social Security that will benefit you absolutely 0.
Look at the bright side: it could be a lot worse.
I feel you.
All of this is really starting to depress me.
dayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
what did i tell you in the other thread
Yeah man, that's part of the reason I'm feeling this way.
While this was a terrible event, these things have always and forever have been happening. fucked up politics, natural disasters, shit that is a total letdown.
You can't sit around and get depressed about it. People on SS have made their contribution and done what they can and that's good.
But shit, there's [i]always/I> going to be something like this in one way or another to sweat about. Don't waste the time.
You can't control it anyway.
Like I said before... focus on the kids. That's the big picture. Fucked up government shouldn't even be near it.
that precedent's already set though. 'my beloved pittsburgh's big shame is displacing hundreds of (black) (poor) people whose houses were seized and destroyed so that they could build the Civic Arena. shit, I-10 in New Orleans was built right on top of Claiborne Ave., which was a thriving black business district until they bulldozed everything and made it into a service road.
I see what you're sayin, but there are (and, most likely, will be) much scarier things of this nature to worry about. anyone staying in new orleans is, at best, killing themselves, and, at worst, is getting the way of rescue, detox and rebuilding efforts.
That area is one of the LEAST insured areas in the US, so it will not be a huge insurance bail out to many, and the fact that it is a flood means that insurance covers even less. So many many homeowners/property companies are seriously on their own. Which means they turn to the same people who left them there to die in the first place, their Federal government. So a lot of people, short AND long term are screwed, they have zip.
That was the M.O. with late 60s urban renewal. Every city did it. Even Canton, Ohio, population... well, at the time it was a little over 100,000, plowed over most of their black neighborhood in the name of urban renewal to build an expressway interchange and some industrial parks.
What these cities didn't think about was the fact that while the buildings may disappear, the people don't, and they have to go somewhere. And that somewhere was usually out into the ajoining neighborhoods. And so the ghetto spread...
What they're doing now (aside from the proposal to criminalize people for staying) makes sense from a public health standpoint.
The whole Superdome (etc.) thing was just psycho.
Some of us believe that people--adults at least--should be allowed to commit suicide.
sure you're allowed, but if I can do anything to try and stop you, I will. You know?
Well, you're actually not allowed--I think it's illegal.
But I believe in people's right to choose to end their lives, and don't necessarily believe in meddling with that decision.
Regardless, I don't think refusing to evacuate--particularly in some areas--is tantamount to suicide.
While I understand that this argument might ostensibly be about suicide, what is really at stake here is a public health crisis. We are not talking about someone just dropping dead in 48 hours from contaminants, but acquiring bacteria and disease and contaminants that could be transfered to other people. You have to contain the contamination, whether or not you believe that people should be allowed to "go down with the ship", as it were.
I know what the argument is; I'm rejecting the analogy.
facts are facts, those people need to get out of there for EVERYONE's good, theirs included. Doesn't mean they need to be happy about it, just hope they don't try taking people out while in refusal mode.
yeah...after i gave it some more thought i agree....although it seems a bit weird people being forced from their homes....the future health risks those people that stay pose to others is extremely dangerous...and then the issue will be "why did we let those people stay,now they've infected x amount of innocent people with....."
so ,yeah...i guess it's better they be evacuated...we'll see how much force has to be used
No, we probably won't.