Sample Snitching
LaserWolf
Portland Oregon 11,517 Posts
Just bought some records from an original artist whose record has been sampled by a much loved dj.
I of course, let him know about the sample, and that he may be owed royalties.
Is that frowned on?
His vocals of a traditional song, learned from Leadbelly, were sampled.
Since he is not the writer, does he even have a claim.
I of course, let him know about the sample, and that he may be owed royalties.
Is that frowned on?
His vocals of a traditional song, learned from Leadbelly, were sampled.
Since he is not the writer, does he even have a claim.
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If HIS version was sampled he is due royalties because they sampled his MASTER version which requires a license and compensation(unless they agree on a 1 time fee before release)
Peace, stein...
in a thread about samples and sampling.
touchy subject to some people i guess.
@YI - The sample, is not actually a sample. The recording was used in a rehearsal for a live dj set. The rehearsal was recorded and released by the djs.
@ K and A - Right, dj is playing the Hollywood Bowl, original artist is playing coffee houses.
@ CM - The reason for it is, first I have a relationship with the artist, and second as stated by K&A. I also have a relationship with the other people in question. I assume, them being good people, if any royalties are owed they would want to pay. My purpose was not to snitch. In conversation about the recording in question I asked if he knew it had been used.
I recally Monty (RIP) posting here, recalling when Will.I.Am told him they would be using his work, deliberately uncleared, and that he would have a good payout if he was to pursue it, which he did, IIRC. - Will was actively looking to see Monty got paid.
:applause:
BUT if you're making $$ off a particular usage, then you should feel responsible for paying out a little bit to the og. and if you're doing something potentially offensive with it, then expect to be criticized by the og. and there might need to be laws to regulate that behaviour.
yea how dare he stay in business
although I do agree that the o.g artist should be paid.......as far as record stores go dont get into business if you don't know the game....open up a record store and dont know how to price the records
If you're sample snitching just so some lawyer in a high rise can get his daughter that new iPhone 6+, fuck that shit.
I would have thought the one Harvey would be 100% anti-snitching. I thought that was a central plank in the Canal platform. WHAT SAY THE NEIGHBORHOOD ELDERS?
I wouldn't snitch myself. But who is to stop anyone else who can recognize the sample? The way I see it, either mask that shit so NOBODY COULD EVER tell where it was sampled from...or expect to be snitched on someday.
There was a memorable case on here where a Strutter pointed out a Stark Reality sample on a Black Eyed Peas record that was not cleared. Though apparently Will.I.Am did it intentionally for Monty Stark to get more money!??
As for your fledgling artists, I think it's pretty wack. Uncleared samples is what keeps the art form alive. If it wasn't for that, we'd have a lot more keyboard beats.
Original artist owns the masters.
Smithsonian/Folkways most likely owns publishing.
Not a true sample, song from dj set that was released in various formats, CD, Vinyl, DVD...
DJs are on a high profile tour now playing large clubs and theaters.
Original artist has a day job and plays coffeehouses/bars on the weekends.
DJs are lawyered up.
Original artist met a lawyer once.
I know the original artist through friends and his music.
I know the DJs through record digging.
I did not discover the sample, I found it at whosampledthat when I was researching the original artist.
The sample is also noted in wikipedia.
I did not say to the original artist "Hey your song was sampled now you can sue and become rich!"
Conversation was more like, "yeah, did you know that has been sampled?"
If the original chooses to contact the sampling artist some money may change hands, but nobody is going to get rich or go broke.
Those whose affinities are more with the sampler.
Those whose affinities are more with the original artist.
Am I the only one who has a hard time believing this?
You should be able to sample anything ever. Sample laws make things less fun. There should be a threshold of money made where sampling credits kick in. If you're sampling and you make no money but make good music, who is hurt? Too many asses are chapped in the music biz.
I hate you Gilbert O'Sullivan.
I hate you Steely Dan.
I hate you MARRS.
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