I just want to know how I can work the system to my maximum benefit.
go to the hospital once a week. take a $45 ambulance to ensure you see a doctor immediately.
I want to get some use out of this money I've been and will be paying in premiums for decades to come. Name a hospital bed after me or something so that a sick person who has used more healthcare than they've paid for can know who to thank. Or just having a scrolling marquee monument in Washington D.C. that lists of all of the people who are net assets to the healthcare system, with their current balance, paid minus used.
Hmm. I haven't been to a doctor in over 30 years. I guess that means I get to be Surgeon General.
Hey,
I don't think this is necessarily a good thing. My grandmother did this (except the latency was over 40 years) only to find out she had terminal pancreatic cancer (she subsequently died 4 years ago). This mindset killed a lot of my relatives from two generations ahead of me. Regular health screenings are a must (if one can afford them, anyway).
Peace,
Big Stacks from Kakalak
I hear you. I'm sure my day of reckoning is coming. And I recognize the oddity of being an advocate for universal coverage while being averse to using it myself (and I DO have insurance) but I'm just a mediphobe when it comes to myself.
And now, is it perceived as a shorthand for big bro/big govt/ socialist leanings, or does having your name associated with care bring positive subliminal advantages?
And now, is it perceived as a shorthand for big bro/big govt/ socialist leanings, or does having your name associated with care bring positive subliminal advantages?
And now, is it perceived as a shorthand for big bro/big govt/ socialist leanings, or does having your name associated with care bring positive subliminal advantages?
Please break it down.
It was a red idea. Then it was adopted by Obama and the Democrats, so all of the Republicans became immediately opposed to it because Obama is black-black-blackity-black and they don't want him to get credit for it.
And now, is it perceived as a shorthand for big bro/big govt/ socialist leanings, or does having your name associated with care bring positive subliminal advantages?
Please break it down.
It was a red idea. Then it was adopted by Obama and the Democrats, so all of the Republicans became immediately opposed to it because Obama is black-black-blackity-black and they don't want him to get credit for it.
This is a very weird country.
Yeah, it started in my home state of Massachusetts, actually. But the red/blue question is not so straightforward, as Massachusetts always ALWAYS votes Democrat for president, yet we regularly elect Republican governors. So it was an idea pitched by a Republican governor to a mostly Democratic state, and as a result is more of a purple idea.
And now, is it perceived as a shorthand for big bro/big govt/ socialist leanings, or does having your name associated with care bring positive subliminal advantages?
Please break it down.
It was a red idea. Then it was adopted by Obama and the Democrats, so all of the Republicans became immediately opposed to it because Obama is black-black-blackity-black and they don't want him to get credit for it.
This is a very weird country.
Yeah, it started in my home state of Massachusetts, actually. But the red/blue question is not so straightforward, as Massachusetts always ALWAYS votes Democrat for president, yet we regularly elect Republican governors. So it was an idea pitched by a Republican governor to a mostly Democratic state, and as a result is more of a purple idea.
Well, sort of. The idea of an individual mandate came from a peculiar source:
And while we do elect Republican governors in MA, they're required to at least pretend to be socially progressive, and the legislature is so bereft of GOP infestation that Republican governors can't do much damage.
Romney's only real achievement as Governor here was the health care plan, which he made the basis for his presidential run in 2008. By 2012 he was running around the country denouncing "Obamacare" because the GOP is now batshit crazy and does not like green eggs and ham.
And now, is it perceived as a shorthand for big bro/big govt/ socialist leanings, or does having your name associated with care bring positive subliminal advantages?
Please break it down.
It was a red idea. Then it was adopted by Obama and the Democrats, so all of the Republicans became immediately opposed to it because Obama is black-black-blackity-black and they don't want him to get credit for it.
This is a very weird country.
Yeah, it started in my home state of Massachusetts, actually. But the red/blue question is not so straightforward, as Massachusetts always ALWAYS votes Democrat for president, yet we regularly elect Republican governors. So it was an idea pitched by a Republican governor to a mostly Democratic state, and as a result is more of a purple idea.
And now, is it perceived as a shorthand for big bro/big govt/ socialist leanings, or does having your name associated with care bring positive subliminal advantages?
Please break it down.
It was a red idea. Then it was adopted by Obama and the Democrats, so all of the Republicans became immediately opposed to it because Obama is black-black-blackity-black and they don't want him to get credit for it.
This is a very weird country.
Yeah, it started in my home state of Massachusetts, actually. But the red/blue question is not so straightforward, as Massachusetts always ALWAYS votes Democrat for president, yet we regularly elect Republican governors. So it was an idea pitched by a Republican governor to a mostly Democratic state, and as a result is more of a purple idea.
Like a bruise?
If you believe the Republicans, it's more like the purple swollen member violating their 'Murican rights as it high-fives Hitler.
before this thread flips into the typical soulstrut liberal vs. conservative who started it, who's to blame, yadda yadda wormhole is there anyone here who can talk about joining the plans, how it affects them, what ways they can save a buck or two?
As I understand nothing is happening until Oct 1st.
At that time CA will launch their insurance exchange, check the link I posted earlier.
Then everyone will go to the web site, crash it, find all the mistakes and faults.
Then the site will be restored and the mistakes and faults will be corrected.
Then it is safe for you to go to the site, find out what the minimum required plan is for you, check and see if you qualify for subsidies, and compare plans that will be (supposedly) clearly laid out and explained in a side by side understandable manor.
Except insurance companies don't write understandable, clear contracts, so take it with 2 aspirins and a grain of salt.
If I were you I would just do a quick read over of those 2 links posted now, and not worry about it again until late October.
as far as I understand it, if you are dead set against the idea of purchasing insurance, the fine is something like $100 per year and it comes out of your tax return.
ETA: I guess it is $95 or 1% of your annual income, whichever is greater.
as far as I understand it, if you are dead set against the idea of purchasing insurance, the fine is something like $100 per year and it comes out of your tax return.
ETA: I guess it is $95 or 1% of your annual income, whichever is greater.
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Jonny_Paycheck said:
as far as I understand it, if you are dead set against the idea of purchasing insurance, the fine is something like $100 per year and it comes out of your tax return.
ETA: I guess it is $95 or 1% of your annual income, whichever is greater.
That amount goes up each year, in dollars at first, but I guarantee that jail time is not too far around the corner from there.
No way it will last long that you can go to jail for not having auto insurance but not for not having health insurance.
as far as I understand it, if you are dead set against the idea of purchasing insurance, the fine is something like $100 per year and it comes out of your tax return.
ETA: I guess it is $95 or 1% of your annual income, whichever is greater.
That amount goes up each year, in dollars at first, but I guarantee that jail time is not too far around the corner from there.
No way it will last long that you can go to jail for not having auto insurance but not for not having health insurance.
It's a slippery slope.
Your guarantee is DOA. There is no provision for a criminal penalty in the Act. Period. There will be woolly mammoths cavorting in your bathtub before anyone goes to jail for your imaginary crime.
HarveyCanal"a distraction from my main thesis." 13,234 Posts
DB_Cooper said:
HarveyCanal said:
No way it will last long that you can go to jail for not having auto insurance but not for not having health insurance.
You don't go to jail for not having auto insurance. You just don't have the privilege of driving on public streets.
Tell that to my homegirl who spent a few months in county.
Granted, she was caught (multiple times) driving without insurance.
But still. Y'all act like you've never lived in this country before and know none of its tendencies.
as far as I understand it, if you are dead set against the idea of purchasing insurance, the fine is something like $100 per year and it comes out of your tax return.
ETA: I guess it is $95 or 1% of your annual income, whichever is greater.
That amount goes up each year, in dollars at first, but I guarantee that jail time is not too far around the corner from there.
No way it will last long that you can go to jail for not having auto insurance but not for not having health insurance.
It's a slippery slope.
Yep, jail time. That's just right around the corner, ya know.
I mean, the Rs and Ds can't get together on a budget or anything else for that matter, but surely they can get together to impose criminal liability for not complying with Obamacare. The Rs will be all over that. "We hate Obamacare so much, that if you don't get insurance through these exchanges that we think are awful, unconstitutional and shoud be repealed, you should go to jail". Right. These are the same people that are encouraging young people NOT to enroll. But yeah, they'll do a 180, right around the corner, and want to make criminals out of people over this. It's self-evident.
b/w
Driving while not having car insurance in Washington is not a criminal offense.
No way it will last long that you can go to jail for not having auto insurance but not for not having health insurance.
You don't go to jail for not having auto insurance. You just don't have the privilege of driving on public streets.
Tell that to my homegirl who spent a few months in county.
Did she get busted while driving? You can have a car in your driveway without insurance. It's only a crime if you actually drive, no?
HarveyCanal"a distraction from my main thesis." 13,234 Posts
Let's tax poor people for not being able to afford health care. Then we can charge them interest on what they owe until we put them on the chain gang to work it off. Just watch.
HarveyCanal"a distraction from my main thesis." 13,234 Posts
DB_Cooper said:
HarveyCanal said:
DB_Cooper said:
HarveyCanal said:
No way it will last long that you can go to jail for not having auto insurance but not for not having health insurance.
You don't go to jail for not having auto insurance. You just don't have the privilege of driving on public streets.
Tell that to my homegirl who spent a few months in county.
Did she get busted while driving? You can have a car in your driveway without insurance. It's only a crime if you actually drive, no?
Like she was going to stop driving. C'mon already.
Let's tax poor people for not being able to afford health care. Then we can charge them interest on what they owe until we put them on the chain gang to work it off. Just watch.
Spoken like someone that knows absolutely bubkiss about Obamacare.
HarveyCanal"a distraction from my main thesis." 13,234 Posts
Bon Vivant said:
HarveyCanal said:
Let's tax poor people for not being able to afford health care. Then we can charge them interest on what they owe until we put them on the chain gang to work it off. Just watch.
Spoken like someone that knows absolutely bubkiss about Obamacare.
All I need to know is who is directing it, on either side of the aisle, at the whims of the banks.
Let's tax poor people for not being able to afford health care. Then we can charge them interest on what they owe until we put them on the chain gang to work it off. Just watch.
You don't know anything about bankruptcy law, just to begin with. You're embarrassing yourself.
Let's tax poor people for not being able to afford health care. Then we can charge them interest on what they owe until we put them on the chain gang to work it off. Just watch.
Spoken like someone that knows absolutely bubkiss about Obamacare.
All I need to know is who is directing it, on either side of the aisle, at the whims of the banks.
CORRUPT CORRUPT CORRUPT.
As I said, spoken like someone who knows zero about the law.
Car insurance laws are a state matter.
Some states have stricter car insurance laws than others.
That Texas is jailing people for being poor is not news.
The rules, regulations and laws around ObamaCare will change over the years, just as they have for Social Security and Medicare.
It is conceivable that in the future, when only the most reactionary anti-social Americans don't have healthy insurance, penalties for being uninsured may increase.
Comments
I hear you. I'm sure my day of reckoning is coming. And I recognize the oddity of being an advocate for universal coverage while being averse to using it myself (and I DO have insurance) but I'm just a mediphobe when it comes to myself.
Was this a red or blue instigation?
And now, is it perceived as a shorthand for big bro/big govt/ socialist leanings, or does having your name associated with care bring positive subliminal advantages?
Please break it down.
It was a red idea. Then it was adopted by Obama and the Democrats, so all of the Republicans became immediately opposed to it because Obama is black-black-blackity-black and they don't want him to get credit for it.
This is a very weird country.
Yeah, it started in my home state of Massachusetts, actually. But the red/blue question is not so straightforward, as Massachusetts always ALWAYS votes Democrat for president, yet we regularly elect Republican governors. So it was an idea pitched by a Republican governor to a mostly Democratic state, and as a result is more of a purple idea.
Well, sort of. The idea of an individual mandate came from a peculiar source:
http://wonkette.com/517994/heritage-foundation-will-sacrifice-its-own-son-obamacare-to-appease-angry-god
And while we do elect Republican governors in MA, they're required to at least pretend to be socially progressive, and the legislature is so bereft of GOP infestation that Republican governors can't do much damage.
Romney's only real achievement as Governor here was the health care plan, which he made the basis for his presidential run in 2008. By 2012 he was running around the country denouncing "Obamacare" because the GOP is now batshit crazy and does not like green eggs and ham.
Like a bruise?
If you believe the Republicans, it's more like the purple swollen member violating their 'Murican rights as it high-fives Hitler.
- the last of the middle class freelancers
dude's non-filibuster filibuster should have been delivered through a vocoder, all 28 hours of it.
At that time CA will launch their insurance exchange, check the link I posted earlier.
Then everyone will go to the web site, crash it, find all the mistakes and faults.
Then the site will be restored and the mistakes and faults will be corrected.
Then it is safe for you to go to the site, find out what the minimum required plan is for you, check and see if you qualify for subsidies, and compare plans that will be (supposedly) clearly laid out and explained in a side by side understandable manor.
Except insurance companies don't write understandable, clear contracts, so take it with 2 aspirins and a grain of salt.
If I were you I would just do a quick read over of those 2 links posted now, and not worry about it again until late October.
Do not feed.
His normal speaking voice is basically a falsetto, so it's weird enough already.
ETA: I guess it is $95 or 1% of your annual income, whichever is greater.
Fuller explanation here:
http://www.factcheck.org/2012/06/how-much-is-the-obamacare-tax/
And look, a toy:
http://www.healthinsurance.org/learn/obamacare-penalty-calculator/
That amount goes up each year, in dollars at first, but I guarantee that jail time is not too far around the corner from there.
No way it will last long that you can go to jail for not having auto insurance but not for not having health insurance.
It's a slippery slope.
You don't go to jail for not having auto insurance. You just don't have the privilege of driving on public streets.
Your guarantee is DOA. There is no provision for a criminal penalty in the Act. Period. There will be woolly mammoths cavorting in your bathtub before anyone goes to jail for your imaginary crime.
Tell that to my homegirl who spent a few months in county.
Granted, she was caught (multiple times) driving without insurance.
But still. Y'all act like you've never lived in this country before and know none of its tendencies.
Yep, jail time. That's just right around the corner, ya know.
I mean, the Rs and Ds can't get together on a budget or anything else for that matter, but surely they can get together to impose criminal liability for not complying with Obamacare. The Rs will be all over that. "We hate Obamacare so much, that if you don't get insurance through these exchanges that we think are awful, unconstitutional and shoud be repealed, you should go to jail". Right. These are the same people that are encouraging young people NOT to enroll. But yeah, they'll do a 180, right around the corner, and want to make criminals out of people over this. It's self-evident.
b/w
Driving while not having car insurance in Washington is not a criminal offense.
bonus beat: Gimme the Sugar, Ted!
Did she get busted while driving? You can have a car in your driveway without insurance. It's only a crime if you actually drive, no?
Like she was going to stop driving. C'mon already.
It's a state issue. Texas will put you in the clink for no auto insurance; it's a misdemeanor. That's another feather in it's illustrious cap!
http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/Docs/TN/htm/TN.601.htm
sec. 601.008
Spoken like someone that knows absolutely bubkiss about Obamacare.
All I need to know is who is directing it, on either side of the aisle, at the whims of the banks.
CORRUPT CORRUPT CORRUPT.
You don't know anything about bankruptcy law, just to begin with. You're embarrassing yourself.
As I said, spoken like someone who knows zero about the law.
And proudly obtuse, too!
LOL! @ the banks.
(Psst - It's a code word for "Jews.")
Some states have stricter car insurance laws than others.
That Texas is jailing people for being poor is not news.
The rules, regulations and laws around ObamaCare will change over the years, just as they have for Social Security and Medicare.
It is conceivable that in the future, when only the most reactionary anti-social Americans don't have healthy insurance, penalties for being uninsured may increase.