The 'Here My Dear' of Hip Hop?
batmon
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What it is? Is there such a thang?
Artist/s should have a "What's Goin On"( or at least a well recognized album) in their catalog.
The slept on album that gained appreciation years later. Its wasnt even a critics choice type joint.
Cats use it as a badge of "in the know" later on.
Yall can set the parameters/rules/meaning.
Just wondering.
Artist/s should have a "What's Goin On"( or at least a well recognized album) in their catalog.
The slept on album that gained appreciation years later. Its wasnt even a critics choice type joint.
Cats use it as a badge of "in the know" later on.
Yall can set the parameters/rules/meaning.
Just wondering.
When Here, My Dear was released in the end of 1978, it was panned by consumers and critics alike, who called the album "bizarre" and "un-commercial".
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that said - i think an argument could be made for blowout comb.
I'm saying Common's "Like Water for Chocolate"
either of these get my vote
After that, Here, My Dear's most unique and compelling aspect is the personal back-story and the only thing I can think of that would compare is Dilla's Donuts. There are a million stories tied to every record recorded, but as far THE story of its inception and creation, this is what comes to mind.
This wasnt a hit?
But maybe even moreso, those late-period Native Tongues joints...
Stakes Is High, Labcabincalifornia, The Love Movement
Not that they're universally hailed as masterpieces now, but they get brought up relatively often in certain quarters as each artists greatest work and only seem to be gaining in stature. Possibly by people who discovered said artists later on, and maybe find the earlier albums too "overrated" or "corny", thus filling the "sets the listener apart criteria" not unlike "What's Going On" vs "Here, My Dear"). Also, the Dilla involvement adds a certain sense of mystique.
Ahh... beat me to it!
Good Call...its fits the backstory arc, but all the albums listed so far werent shunned from jump.
I dont think a simple "comeback album" fits the bill like Mama Said Knock You Out.
What was the call on Scarface The Fix....was he kinda "not hot" at the time?
Plaese to refresh my memory.
Jungle Brothers "Done By the Forces of Nature"
PUTS "Stepfather"eh maybe not Stepfather. It was pretty well-received when it came out.
Sorta. Definitely with already Southern minded listeners. But not so much with the Crooklyn contingent of the time. Since then though, universal love.
As far as something that wasn't a hit at all, but has been dredged up as a classic in recent years...
I was in a music store when this dropped and I overheard a two teenage Brooklyn girls talmbout this is their favorite group.
I was kinda amazed, since they only had maybe 2 single out and the album was fairly fresh.
I could see where kids liked their shit, but yeah "seasoned" listeners in NYC didnt jump on Outkast immediately.
Huh? Those records got massive critical positivity.
Oh and "My Field Trip to Planet 9" was the dope stuff for sure.
Okay re-read the original post and yeah, I guess maybe those albums don't fit the bill since they were critical darlings.
I don't even wanna talk about it. It makes my blood boil.
this could be it. backstory, subroc's death, casual rap listeners wouldn't know it at the time.
yeah....
Did this even come out commercially?
Wasnt it held back and bootlegged and then released?
Not commercially, no...
Doom gave me an Elektra promotional tape with track names and graphics on it that came in a generic promo tape sleeve back in 94, so I know they exist.
There was a video for What a Ni%$e Know? that never saw the light of day too.
yeah, so it dosen't exactly fit the mold. as far as i know the only offical thing from the album was a 12-inch that was bootlegged awhile before the album boots started popping up.
i don't think we'll ever be there.
While i posted that one and woudl tend to agree with you, this wiki entry seems to show some critical love for that album in its time, which DQs it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buhloone_Mindstate
LABCABINCALIFORNIA, however, had much more tepid reviews:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labcabincalifornia
This is assuming that WIKI and the internet can be trusted to truly represent what the critical response was to a record at the time.
Its either this or the collective-mind-think-memory of the 'Strut.
Which do you find more reliable?
Nas says this is it. I haven't heard it though.
Damn, there was a video for "What a Ni**a Know"? I just remember copping the maxi-single and lovin it. There was I believe an article in the Source around the 93-94 time frame on DOOM aka Zeb Love X about the album and what happened to his brother Subroc. He stated how he "felt like a piece of shit".
Oh shit, BINGO