@Motown67 yes flight of the valkyries is definitely evoking fascism in apoc now if you ask me - a fascist callous pompous attack on the Vietnamese by out of control us military. Imo coppola is definitely making a statement in those terms there - basically equating the Us war machine with a form of fascism, definitely. Apocalypse now is an anti war movie and an attack on militarism and dehumanization I absolutely believe that. Its a great great film and much more original than any of qts work - i love the way he took heart of darkness and ported it to vietnam. Still posting from the phone - ill go in and clean these posts up later if I can still be bothered.
A Fairview woman said she was ???terrified??? when a man began yelling and pointing his finger at the audience during a movie in Empire Theatres on Sunday, and couldn???t help but think of the fatal Colorado theatre shooting in July.
According to 32-year-old Kirsten, who did not want her last name used, the man created a scene during the last 20 minutes of Django Unchained, Quentin Tarantino???s new film, and told the Bayers Lake crowd they were ???all going to hell??? if they continued watching.
Dean Leland, vice president of media with Empire Theatres, confirmed Monday there ???was an incident??? with a man during the show.
???A guest alerted us that a man was upset, and he did come out of the theatre. Our manager and general manager calmed him down,??? Leland said. ???He retrieved his belongings and left the building.???
Kirsten said she was frightened because the man kept reaching into his pockets and pointing his hand at people in the front rows, giving the impression he could have had a weapon.
He began by shouting for the movie to stop, then he got in front of the screen and began yelling and cursing at the audience, Kirsten said.
???We were terrified,??? Kirsten said. ???My boyfriend and I looked at each other, and I said, ???Do we chance getting up and leaving, or are we going to become targets???????
Eventually someone did leave the theatre, and the man shortly went out as well.
Kirsten and her boyfriend left before the end of the film ???because we were a little bit freaked out,??? she said.
She said she would have preferred to have theatre staff pause the movie and address the audience, but that did not happen. She is also questioning why the theatre doesn???t have on-site security in place to handle situations like this.
Leland said Empire Theatres tries never to stop a film once it has begun, but the managers greeted the audience on their way out and talked about the incident.
???This is an isolated case,??? Leland said. ???I can???t remember the last time something like this happened.???
Ok i admit it this was me. What? YOU ARE ALL GOING TO HELL FOR SPENDING TOO MUCH TIME ON SOULSTRUT!
im still not sure where youre getting that slavery is turned into a laughing matter in DU. a couple obvious instances (bags on the head), but overall, no
Staxwax, you make some valid points, but I'll have to disagree with you vis a vis he has to fill up his movies with references, stealing scenes etc to make them good. A very small percentage of people who see his films are aware of this. I missed a majority of the German film references in IB and still thought it was excellent.
Like his voice or not, it is what he's known for and the reason people like him (or dislike him.)
Your assesment of Death Proof is off by miles. There are plenty of interviews that have QT admitting to how much of a mistake Death Proof was. Coupled with Planet Terror it's a good movie (the whole grindhouse thing) and I really liked what RR and QT were trying to do. I really liked the fake trailers, too .Do you think if Death Proof would've been a success QT would have started making a bunch of "low budget" slasher flicks? I don't think so. It was something he tried, and he readily admits it was a failure.
I may be biased, though, as far as my taste in movies is concerned. I thought Killer Joe was fantastic and i haven't seen The Master.
im still not sure where youre getting that slavery is turned into a laughing matter in DU. a couple obvious instances (bags on the head), but overall, no
The first time I saw Django I went with my 12 yr old niece who is black amongst others. She didn't come away laughing at slavery or thinking that it was a joke. She actually thought the exact opposite and asked all kinds of questions about the people with scars on their backs, the whipping, the face masks, etc.. Does that mean she outsmarted the white man and didn't fall for his tricks?
Yes. Reminds me of "Life Is Beautiful" which is a goofball comedy set during the Holocaust in a concentration camp. Anyhow, while I don't agree with some of staxwax's points, I wish I was able to get much out of movies as he seems to.
And why the hell wasn't "The Klansmen" referenced?!? Lee Marvin and Richard Burton drunk off their asses and slurring their lines, aborted Sam Fuller screenplay, Staples Singers soundtrack, half-assed job by the British Terence Young who didn't think one way or the other about black civil rights, Italian Bond girl Luciana Paluzzi dubbed with Southern belle voice, OJ on a rampage, public domain dollar bin gold...Q slept if he didn't think of this one at some point.
I have a theory about this now - the longer ive been able to digest the movie. Quentin Tarantino doesnt really have a voice that is truly his own - so far all of his movies have been rip offs or adaptations - notable exception: pulp fiction. Even reservoir dogs which is almost a remake of an obscure hongkong actioner called City on fire from 87 - its basically a remake of that with ad libs tacked on. Jackie brown is his best film imo - based on elmore leonard obviously.
/s TIL most films are nothing more than rip offs of other works.
It's been YEARS since I watched City on Fire. But it's a bit of a stretch saying it's a complete rip off. While there are similarities. But they are very much different in many ways.
Shit, what's next. Deep into the debate of everyone ripping off Kurosawa? Can we debate A Fistful of Dollars with Yojimbo? And then talk about The Glass Key and Red Harvest???
i didnt see this as a humorous movie at all. the ending, which i thought was a failure, did get rather campy, but i never felt that the movie was a comedy or should be classified as humorous. its an attempt at a spaghetti western...not roots, blazing saddles , or a documentary
and its borderline insulting to call life is beautiful a goofball comedy
i didnt see this as a humorous movie at all. the ending, which i thought was a failure, did get rather campy, but i never felt that the movie was a comedy or should be classified as humorous. its an attempt at a spaghetti western...not roots, blazing saddles , or a documentary
and its borderline insulting to call life is beautiful a goofball comedy
I think Root was trying to say that there were obviously comedic moments in the movie.
I have a theory about this now - the longer ive been able to digest the movie. Quentin Tarantino doesnt really have a voice that is truly his own - so far all of his movies have been rip offs or adaptations - notable exception: pulp fiction. Even reservoir dogs which is almost a remake of an obscure hongkong actioner called City on fire from 87 - its basically a remake of that with ad libs tacked on. Jackie brown is his best film imo - based on elmore leonard obviously.
/s TIL most films are nothing more than rip offs of other works.
It's been YEARS since I watched City on Fire. But it's a bit of a stretch saying it's a complete rip off. While there are similarities. But they are very much different in many ways.
Shit, what's next. Deep into the debate of everyone ripping off Kurosawa? Can we debate A Fistful of Dollars with Yojimbo? And then talk about The Glass Key and Red Harvest???
haha not really a theory... pretty much a fact. QT is a hack and it's no secret.
doesn't mean his movies aren't entertaining though.
and Res Dogs hacks Taking Of Pelham 123 as well.
I have a theory about this now - the longer ive been able to digest the movie. Quentin Tarantino doesnt really have a voice that is truly his own - so far all of his movies have been rip offs or adaptations - notable exception: pulp fiction. Even reservoir dogs which is almost a remake of an obscure hongkong actioner called City on fire from 87 - its basically a remake of that with ad libs tacked on. Jackie brown is his best film imo - based on elmore leonard obviously.
/s TIL most films are nothing more than rip offs of other works.
It's been YEARS since I watched City on Fire. But it's a bit of a stretch saying it's a complete rip off. While there are similarities. But they are very much different in many ways.
Shit, what's next. Deep into the debate of everyone ripping off Kurosawa? Can we debate A Fistful of Dollars with Yojimbo? And then talk about The Glass Key and Red Harvest???
haha not really a theory... pretty much a fact. QT is a hack and it's no secret.
doesn't mean his movies aren't entertaining though.
and Res Dogs hacks Taking Of Pelham 123 as well.
Great, but we're all hacks. Do you ever question if there is any original thought out there? The truth is, most things are borrowed from someone else. Doesn't matter what it is. Damn, even this argument is not original. We've had this Tarantino is a hack conversation on the strut 3 or 4 times over the years already.
I can't even tell what argument stax really trying to make. That Tarantino is a hack? That his movies are perverse? That whites shouldn't do films on the subject of Jews and Slavery? All of the above?
I guess we're all different. When I really dislike something, I say my piece and then move on. Debating it so hard only gives it more credit than you are trying to say it doesn't deserve.
In any case, thoughts on the Lincoln flick everyone? Should I watch this?
Great, but we're all hacks. Do you ever question if there is any original thought out there? The truth is, most things are borrowed from someone else. Doesn't matter what it is
yes!
and i sure wish all the people who try to take down Zeppelin from the throne would get this!
but anyway...
sure everybody has influences, but QT makes it obvious and doesn't try to hide it.
and yeah, this has been discussed to death. i'm done.
lincoln? haven't seen it yet.
and strangely enough i can't think of what movie Spielberg hacked ;)
I can't even tell what argument stax really trying to make. That Tarantino is a hack? That his movies are perverse? That whites shouldn't do films on the subject of Jews and Slavery? All of the above?
I guess we're all different. When I really dislike something, I say my piece and then move on. Debating it so hard only gives it more credit than you are trying to say it doesn't deserve.
In any case, thoughts on the Lincoln flick everyone? Should I watch this?
What I'm saying is Tarantino delivered a mediocre western-action movie that serves up a twisted caricature of slavery and the people involved in it. The credit he gets and lack of resistance he encounters for this sensationalist racially charged pastiche amazes me. And if you really get in to it - there's some really over the top, scandalous and pretty sick stuff going on in Django Unchained.
Then again, like TripDub says:
tripledouble said:
QT is hardly without faults. i saw an interview recently where he embraced his filmmaking being described as hiphop, borrowing heavily from the past, in hommages that get distorted to serve his canvas. like hiphop, its not a perfect picture...nwa never pretended to be a sociological essay, but obviously it spoke a lot to where some black men in compton were coming from and wanted to listen to. would the winstons have like it? hiphop is ridiculously far from being a tidy, positive expression. you got all types of misogyny, black on black crime, materialism, etc etc. But it elicits strong reactions, stirs debate, and forces people to take stock of the soul of the country. QT's films have their moments where they do this too.
I'm going to watch Lincoln next, really looking forward to it - Daniel Day Lewis is one of the best actors working today imo.
I didn't like the movie. The story is dumb, the actors are weird and the little jokes and hints are stupid. I wonder why QT put the Siegfried and Brunhilde saga into the movie. What's next? A movie about Richard Wagner? Hitler? SuperObama? Nah, that's not what QT does... how about... ehm... so far it's been Gangster, Blaxploitation, KungFu, Nazis, Western.... yeah... he should do a cool porn movie. With excessive violence, explosions and some random quotes and twisted historical facts.
i didnt see this as a humorous movie at all. the ending, which i thought was a failure, did get rather campy, but i never felt that the movie was a comedy or should be classified as humorous. its an attempt at a spaghetti western...not roots, blazing saddles , or a documentary
and its borderline insulting to call life is beautiful a goofball comedy
dude. the movie is absolutely humorous. I don't have to list the instances. It's Tarantino. C'mon.
some people think slavery is deadly serious and should be treated with the kind of reverence that Tarantino is incapable of. ditto for the Holocaust and Inglorious Basterds.
you see things differently. great. but I cram to understand how this is a remotely controversial point.
Only Black Director's, Writers, Producers, and Comedians can make light of Slavery.
Black People can only laugh at themselves if we tell the joke.
Roots should have been directed by Black People cause White People cant really tell the story cause they werent there.
Black People can Sample Rock beats. White Directors arent allowed to reheat Pam Grier's Swagger for a new generation.
Using Rick Ross in a Slavery Film invokes The Great Migration.
Phillip Michael Thomas plays Don Johnson's House Negro in the uncut version.
Django Unchained and Dumb and Dumber are the same Genre.
Django Unchained is Rated G
Why doesnt the Reverend AL Sharpton protest this film.
Jesse Jackson cried at D.U. like when Obama won.
cute. of course, no one said any of that shit. I don't care that YOU were not offended by DU. I wasn't either. but people pretending that the movie was some serious treatment of slavery is laughable. it was a romp. an ironic, self-conscious piece of kitsch...about slavery. some people not comfortable with that (like Spike)? I'd say that's a normal, acceptable position to take.
(BTW the idea that this was a spaghetti western is off base. the movie *references* the genre, but is not a serious attempt at recreating those movies. QT said so himself in the NY Times interview. spagetti westerns were a genre from a specific time.)
Only Black Director's, Writers, Producers, and Comedians can make light of Slavery.
Black People can only laugh at themselves if we tell the joke.
Roots should have been directed by Black People cause White People cant really tell the story cause they werent there.
Black People can Sample Rock beats. White Directors arent allowed to reheat Pam Grier's Swagger for a new generation.
Using Rick Ross in a Slavery Film invokes The Great Migration.
Phillip Michael Thomas plays Don Johnson's House Negro in the uncut version.
Django Unchained and Dumb and Dumber are the same Genre.
Django Unchained is Rated G
Why doesnt the Reverend AL Sharpton protest this film.
Jesse Jackson cried at D.U. like when Obama won.
cute. of course, no one said any of that shit. I don't care that YOU were not offended by DU. I wasn't either. but people pretending that the movie was some serious treatment of slavery is laughable. it was a romp. an ironic, self-conscious piece of kitsch...about slavery. some people not comfortable with that (like Spike)? I'd say that's a normal, acceptable position to take.
(BTW the idea that this was a spaghetti western is off base. the movie *references* the genre, but is not a serious attempt at recreating those movies. QT said so himself in the NY Times interview. spagetti westerns were a genre from a specific time.)
Did anyone here say it was a serious treatment? If one doesnt agree w/ the comedy label, they take it seriously?
Only Black Director's, Writers, Producers, and Comedians can make light of Slavery.
Black People can only laugh at themselves if we tell the joke.
Roots should have been directed by Black People cause White People cant really tell the story cause they werent there.
Black People can Sample Rock beats. White Directors arent allowed to reheat Pam Grier's Swagger for a new generation.
Using Rick Ross in a Slavery Film invokes The Great Migration.
Phillip Michael Thomas plays Don Johnson's House Negro in the uncut version.
Django Unchained and Dumb and Dumber are the same Genre.
Django Unchained is Rated G
Why doesnt the Reverend AL Sharpton protest this film.
Jesse Jackson cried at D.U. like when Obama won.
cute. of course, no one said any of that shit. I don't care that YOU were not offended by DU. I wasn't either. but people pretending that the movie was some serious treatment of slavery is laughable. it was a romp. an ironic, self-conscious piece of kitsch...about slavery. some people not comfortable with that (like Spike)? I'd say that's a normal, acceptable position to take.
(BTW the idea that this was a spaghetti western is off base. the movie *references* the genre, but is not a serious attempt at recreating those movies. QT said so himself in the NY Times interview. spagetti westerns were a genre from a specific time.)
Did anyone here say it was a serious treatment? If one doesnt agree w/ the comedy label, they take it seriously?
yes. people talmbout it had funny moments but overall was not a humorous movie, and esp. the slavery scenes were dark/brutal, so it was a serious treatment of blah blah.
Tarantino comic book kitsch...about slavery. That's what it was. alls I'm saying is I understand people not feeling that.
I was laughing at schitt in the theatre that maybe I shouldn't had been laughing at it felt at the time. People at the movie didn't know to laugh or bite their lip was the feeling I was getting. Just looking at Sam Jacksons' character was funny as schitt. Don Johnson looking like Boss Hogg. It was a funny movie, but the full house at the theatre wasn't feeling it, most were holding back.
I didn't like the movie. The story is dumb, the actors are weird and the little jokes and hints are stupid. I wonder why QT put the Siegfried and Brunhilde saga into the movie. What's next? A movie about Richard Wagner? Hitler? SuperObama? Nah, that's not what QT does... how about... ehm... so far it's been Gangster, Blaxploitation, KungFu, Nazis, Western.... yeah... he should do a cool porn movie. With excessive violence, explosions and some random quotes and twisted historical facts.
Come on, man. Get it right. You left a stupid slasher movie off of your list.
I didn't like the movie. The story is dumb, the actors are weird and the little jokes and hints are stupid. I wonder why QT put the Siegfried and Brunhilde saga into the movie. What's next? A movie about Richard Wagner? Hitler? SuperObama? Nah, that's not what QT does... how about... ehm... so far it's been Gangster, Blaxploitation, KungFu, Nazis, Western.... yeah... he should do a cool porn movie. With excessive violence, explosions and some random quotes and twisted historical facts.
Come on, man. Get it right. You left a stupid slasher movie off of your list.
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Ok i admit it this was me. What? YOU ARE ALL GOING TO HELL FOR SPENDING TOO MUCH TIME ON SOULSTRUT!
but a humorous movie was made about it.
and some people aren't really feeling that.
Like his voice or not, it is what he's known for and the reason people like him (or dislike him.)
Your assesment of Death Proof is off by miles. There are plenty of interviews that have QT admitting to how much of a mistake Death Proof was. Coupled with Planet Terror it's a good movie (the whole grindhouse thing) and I really liked what RR and QT were trying to do. I really liked the fake trailers, too .Do you think if Death Proof would've been a success QT would have started making a bunch of "low budget" slasher flicks? I don't think so. It was something he tried, and he readily admits it was a failure.
I may be biased, though, as far as my taste in movies is concerned. I thought Killer Joe was fantastic and i haven't seen The Master.
The first time I saw Django I went with my 12 yr old niece who is black amongst others. She didn't come away laughing at slavery or thinking that it was a joke. She actually thought the exact opposite and asked all kinds of questions about the people with scars on their backs, the whipping, the face masks, etc.. Does that mean she outsmarted the white man and didn't fall for his tricks?
Yes. Reminds me of "Life Is Beautiful" which is a goofball comedy set during the Holocaust in a concentration camp. Anyhow, while I don't agree with some of staxwax's points, I wish I was able to get much out of movies as he seems to.
And why the hell wasn't "The Klansmen" referenced?!? Lee Marvin and Richard Burton drunk off their asses and slurring their lines, aborted Sam Fuller screenplay, Staples Singers soundtrack, half-assed job by the British Terence Young who didn't think one way or the other about black civil rights, Italian Bond girl Luciana Paluzzi dubbed with Southern belle voice, OJ on a rampage, public domain dollar bin gold...Q slept if he didn't think of this one at some point.
/s TIL most films are nothing more than rip offs of other works.
It's been YEARS since I watched City on Fire. But it's a bit of a stretch saying it's a complete rip off. While there are similarities. But they are very much different in many ways.
Shit, what's next. Deep into the debate of everyone ripping off Kurosawa? Can we debate A Fistful of Dollars with Yojimbo? And then talk about The Glass Key and Red Harvest???
i didnt see this as a humorous movie at all. the ending, which i thought was a failure, did get rather campy, but i never felt that the movie was a comedy or should be classified as humorous. its an attempt at a spaghetti western...not roots, blazing saddles , or a documentary
and its borderline insulting to call life is beautiful a goofball comedy
I think Root was trying to say that there were obviously comedic moments in the movie.
haha not really a theory... pretty much a fact. QT is a hack and it's no secret.
doesn't mean his movies aren't entertaining though.
and Res Dogs hacks Taking Of Pelham 123 as well.
Great, but we're all hacks. Do you ever question if there is any original thought out there? The truth is, most things are borrowed from someone else. Doesn't matter what it is. Damn, even this argument is not original. We've had this Tarantino is a hack conversation on the strut 3 or 4 times over the years already.
I can't even tell what argument stax really trying to make. That Tarantino is a hack? That his movies are perverse? That whites shouldn't do films on the subject of Jews and Slavery? All of the above?
I guess we're all different. When I really dislike something, I say my piece and then move on. Debating it so hard only gives it more credit than you are trying to say it doesn't deserve.
In any case, thoughts on the Lincoln flick everyone? Should I watch this?
yes!
and i sure wish all the people who try to take down Zeppelin from the throne would get this!
but anyway...
sure everybody has influences, but QT makes it obvious and doesn't try to hide it.
and yeah, this has been discussed to death. i'm done.
lincoln? haven't seen it yet.
and strangely enough i can't think of what movie Spielberg hacked ;)
What I'm saying is Tarantino delivered a mediocre western-action movie that serves up a twisted caricature of slavery and the people involved in it. The credit he gets and lack of resistance he encounters for this sensationalist racially charged pastiche amazes me. And if you really get in to it - there's some really over the top, scandalous and pretty sick stuff going on in Django Unchained.
Then again, like TripDub says:
I'm going to watch Lincoln next, really looking forward to it - Daniel Day Lewis is one of the best actors working today imo.
I saw this and thought it worth mentioning:
After 'Gun Appreciation Day,' Organizers Invoke 'Django Unchained' for Follow-Up Campaign. A controversial group's new effort dubbed "What Would Django Do?" looks to bring minorities to its side in the debate over gun control.
meh. it's porridge.
out and out, unapologetic award fodder. while i understand it's a historical account, there is pretty much zero story arc.
dude. the movie is absolutely humorous. I don't have to list the instances. It's Tarantino. C'mon.
some people think slavery is deadly serious and should be treated with the kind of reverence that Tarantino is incapable of. ditto for the Holocaust and Inglorious Basterds.
you see things differently. great. but I cram to understand how this is a remotely controversial point.
semantics. my bad. even the grimmest movies have humorous moments.
Black People can only laugh at themselves if we tell the joke.
Roots should have been directed by Black People cause White People cant really tell the story cause they werent there.
Black People can Sample Rock beats. White Directors arent allowed to reheat Pam Grier's Swagger for a new generation.
Using Rick Ross in a Slavery Film invokes The Great Migration.
Phillip Michael Thomas plays Don Johnson's House Negro in the uncut version.
Django Unchained and Dumb and Dumber are the same Genre.
Django Unchained is Rated G
Why doesnt the Reverend AL Sharpton protest this film.
Jesse Jackson cried at D.U. like when Obama won.
cute. of course, no one said any of that shit. I don't care that YOU were not offended by DU. I wasn't either. but people pretending that the movie was some serious treatment of slavery is laughable. it was a romp. an ironic, self-conscious piece of kitsch...about slavery. some people not comfortable with that (like Spike)? I'd say that's a normal, acceptable position to take.
(BTW the idea that this was a spaghetti western is off base. the movie *references* the genre, but is not a serious attempt at recreating those movies. QT said so himself in the NY Times interview. spagetti westerns were a genre from a specific time.)
Did anyone here say it was a serious treatment? If one doesnt agree w/ the comedy label, they take it seriously?
remember, this is soulstrut.
you're supposed to take EVERYTHING seriously.
yes. people talmbout it had funny moments but overall was not a humorous movie, and esp. the slavery scenes were dark/brutal, so it was a serious treatment of blah blah.
Tarantino comic book kitsch...about slavery. That's what it was. alls I'm saying is I understand people not feeling that.
I didn't mean to come off that way. That's just my best description of Roberto Benigni's movies.
Come on, man. Get it right. You left a stupid slasher movie off of your list.
Come on, man. Get it right. You left a stupid slasher movie off of your list.