DocMcCoy"Go and laugh in your own country!" 5,913 Posts
batmon said:
I find it kinda suspect that non-Black dudes think one has to be poor/uneducated/on welfare/oppressed/etc to have Hip Hop credibility.
I realise I'm probably teaching my grandma to suck eggs here, but there are a lot of people who forget that hip-hop began as party music, made by and for people who knew all about the everyday struggle and who didn't care to be reminded about it on a Friday or Saturday night during the few windows of opportunity for a little escapism. Let's not forget that Flash n' 'em had to be strong-armed into recording The Message, largely because they didn't think people would want to hear a song about how tough life was in the hood. Well, maybe people in the hood wouldn't...
Post-Message and especially post-PE, rock critics in particular began to project upon hip-hop this notion that it was the Authentic Voice Of The Oppressed Black Inner City Youth and nothing else; a big section of the white audience that discovered hip-hop between 82-86 bought into that as the dominant paradigm, and it's pretty much stuck for successive audiences of that nature ever since.
Damn you US strutters have some carrots up your asses for real.
No one here thinks that anyone in the US gives a fusk about what hip hop is doing down under.
We do it for ourselves.
Most of the old school rappers and Djs from Aus came from a breaking and graffiti background. So in the beginning most dudes were four elements. It might not have been the experience of US strutters but thats how it popped off here. So you must deal.
Also everyone down here fought long and hard for their music to be heard and recognized in a country that was dominated by pub rock and was ridiculed for being an american rip off.
Bottom line is that unless you were from here you don't have a clue about the culture and what was going on.
Im really disappointed by the ignorant views expressed on what is a normally a fairly open minded and intelligent board.
I could write an essay on this but really whats the point in arguing with you all. Im done.
Now its Christmas so get off the internet and go and spend some time with your loved ones and family !!
Damn you US strutters have some carrots up your asses for real.
No one here thinks that anyone in the US gives a fusk about what hip hop is doing down under.
We do it for ourselves.
Most of the old school rappers and Djs from Aus came from a breaking and graffiti background. So in the beginning most dudes were four elements. It might not have been the experience of US strutters but thats how it popped off here. So you must deal.
Also everyone down here fought long and hard for their music to be heard and recognized in a country that was dominated by pub rock and was ridiculed for being an american rip off.
Bottom line is that unless you were from here you don't have a clue about the culture and what was going on.
Im really disappointed by the ignorant views expressed on what is a normally a fairly open minded and intelligent board.
I could write an essay on this but really whats the point in arguing with you all. Im done.
Now its Christmas so get off the internet and go and spend some time with your loved ones and family !!
How dare we have an opinion that you disagree with?
Most of the old school rappers and Djs from Aus came from a breaking and graffiti background. So in the beginning most dudes were four elements. It might not have been the experience of US strutters but thats how it popped off here. So you must deal.
Breaking and graffiti. Who has time for two elements, much less a third or even fourth on top? I question the wisdom of spreading oneself that thin. Pick an element and master it or risk being mediocre in all four.
What variety of vegetable I choose to stick up my ass has no place in this conversation.
B/w
The struggle against pub rock is never-ending. You can't let your guard down for a second.
Bonus beef: that Trem guy's RFC crew is fake too.
Drumapella: anything you did we did first.
kicks79 said:
Damn you US strutters have some carrots up your asses for real.
No one here thinks that anyone in the US gives a fusk about what hip hop is doing down under.
We do it for ourselves.
Most of the old school rappers and Djs from Aus came from a breaking and graffiti background. So in the beginning most dudes were four elements. It might not have been the experience of US strutters but thats how it popped off here. So you must deal.
Also everyone down here fought long and hard for their music to be heard and recognized in a country that was dominated by pub rock and was ridiculed for being an american rip off.
Bottom line is that unless you were from here you don't have a clue about the culture and what was going on.
Im really disappointed by the ignorant views expressed on what is a normally a fairly open minded and intelligent board.
I could write an essay on this but really whats the point in arguing with you all. Im done.
Now its Christmas so get off the internet and go and spend some time with your loved ones and family !!
To follow on from what DJWubWub said, hip-hop has proved to be a powerful tool to engage young people who are into rap but have not been exposed to more positve aspects of it. I could go on and on about the Street Uni in Liverpool, which Chuck D officially opened about 12 months ago now, but if you really care, just google it.
CHUCK D COSIGNING SOMETHING DOES NOT MAKE IT LEGIT.
if you pay him, i'm sure he would show up to the release of your b-boy inspired adult diapers.
haha.
yeah I mean Chuck is apparently a gracious guy. He's gonna shout out the dudes on the undercard of the festival he's headlining, dudes he's never heard of before (and who's names he's reading from the flier) and who he'll likely never check for again. The idea that this represents some sort of meaningful "cosign" is pretty far-fetched.
Chuck D cosinging a bunch of intl hiphop
actually stating they are better than the good ole US of A
I really don't know what constitutes for "relevant" coverage in HIP-HOP news in America these days, but I really want to give you all a heads up. As you know I've been through three passports, 76 countries on the regular in the name of Hip-Hop since 1987 and in 2010, although I've never stopped traveling the earth this year, I've seen, heard and felt some new things.
As far as RAP and HIP-HOP, it's like USA Olympic basketball, the world has parity now and have surpassed the USA in ALL of the basic fundamentals of HIP-HOP - TURNTABLISM, BREAKING, GRAFFITI, and now EMCEEING with succinct mission , meaning and skill. Skill-wise rappers spitting three languages, have created super rappers to move the crowd with intensity and passion. The "arrogant" American comes in blackface, but if there was a HIP-HOP or Rap Olympics, I really don't think the UnitedStates would get Gold, Silver or Brass or even ass for that sake.
Personally, Public Enemy has been setting records in a record book that doesn't really exist. The 20th year anniversary of FEAR OF A BLACK PLANET has become into a year and a half celebration of eights legs and five continents. All the while, looking at a HIP-HOP Planet across 25 countries while still somewhat supportive of American rap, the rest of the world has surpassed the U.S. in skill, in fundamentals and commitment to their communities. Public Enemy's mission is to set the path, pave the road for cats to do their thing for a long time as long as they do it right.
Because of the lack of support from local radio, television and community in the United States, the ability for "local" acts to thrive in their own radius has killed the ability to connect and grow into a proper development as a performer, entertainer and artist. Rappers trying to get put on to a national contract hustle from a NEW YORK or LOS ANGELES corporation has caused the art-form to atrophy from the bottom, while never getting signed to a top echelon that really doesn't exist, but to a very few.
HIP-HOP NEWS spreads like any other mainstream NEWS in America. The garbage that's unfit to print has now floated on websites and blogs like sh*t. For example a rapper working in the community gets obscured while if that same rapper robbed a gas station he'd get top coverage and be label a "rapper" while getting his upcoming or current music somewhat put on blast, regardless of its quality which of course is subjective like any other art. RAP sites and blogs are mimicking the New York POST.
This is not mere complaint , this is truth and its coming down on Americans like rain without a raincoat with cats screaming how they ain't wet. This is real. The other night upon finishing groundbreaking concert performances in Johannesburg we followed a special free concert in Soweto. To make a point that our agenda was to "show? and encourage the Hip-Hop community to be comfortable in its mind and skin without chasing valueless Amerikkkan values.
Never have so many been pimped by so few.
It does the people of the planet little good to hear that an an artist is famous and rich, will wear expensive jewelry straight from the mines, show it off, stay it the hotel, ride in limos, do the VIP with chilled champagne in the clubs, ape and monkey the chicks (meaning not even talking) and keep the dudes away with slave paid bodyguards when real people come close. The mimic of the VIACOM-sanctioned video has run tired, because it shows off, does NOT inspire and it says NOTHING.
Here in South Africa PUBLIC ENEMY has done crucial groundbreaking performances. Its the same level of smashing the house that we've done this year in Moscow, New York, Paris, London , Chicago and other places this year. This is not news We are not trying to prove any point other than to show that a classic work is timeless and doesn't have a demographic per se. The Rolling Stones and U2 are NOT measured by mere tracks' they are measured by the all-around event they present. The art of the performance has left Hip-Hop whereas somebody has led artists to do more performing off the stage than on it. The agenda here is to create artist exchange
This serves as a call to the infrastructure-less Hip-Hop game in Amerikkka. We know what your hustle is, but what is your work and job here? Faking it until making it runs its course in a recession, which is a depression for Black folks who increasingly are becoming more skill-less as they become jobless.
Never have so many been pimped by so few.
Since the music has so much power, and image has become everything to the point that it can dictate the direction of a person in their life, it is my mission now to really become a "freedom fighter" and stop this radiation. With Jay-Z and others who, for years would faint their worth, the statement of "with great power comes great responsibility," is more true. Words are powerful and they can both start wars and bring peace. This cannot be taken lightly. Its important for the words to be body with the community. If not one dime of $250 million doesn't benefit the people who contribute to it then why does that warrant coverage above the will and effort of many in the music who have done great things.
Never have so many been pimped by so few.
I turned 50 this year. Everyday I get the question whats up with Hip-Hop today. If nothing was wrong the question wouldn't be the dominating question I get. I do massive interviews worldwide. I'm covered from varied aspects Hip-Hop, Public Enemy, social issues, musicology in general. So, my interactive world dialogue is deeper and more present than 140 characters.
Never have so many been pimped by so few.
I am tired of the silence of people that know better. There is nothing worse than a person that knows better and does worse. Or says nothing.
And makes excuses for bulls**t.
You know damn well HIP-HOP in the USA has fell way the f**k off as the American dollar and much of America itself. Held up and dictated by White business lawyers, accountants in New York, and Los Angeles offices.
To dictate to a community and not even live or be with the people is offensive. VIACOMs reach into Africa to turn HIP-HOP in to Amerfrica, which is as exploitative as those slave-makers who carried us across on boats. The decisions made in a boardroom in New York City while these cats scurry to their high rises, and suburban mansions from cultural profiteering must stop. And I'm going to do something about it.
Never have so many been pimped by so few.
My agenda of Hip-Hop around the world is in line with its creators, who followed Black Music. The music had the people's back. It has never been my personal agenda. Americans arrogantly have no back. Hip-Hop has followed this. I am disturbed by the fact that I tell artists that doing work in their community will get them little or no buzz for their effort, but in the same sense if they robbed or shot someone or did a bid they would get national and sometimes international attention.
Never have so many been pimped by so few.
So many of your favorite people suck up to the NBA and NFL, because it has order and when you make the game look bad David Stern or Robert Goddell is kicking their asses out . They are the indisputable HWIC, and negroes are in line and silenced. But here in Hip-Hop the dysfunctionality reward makes the money that puts food on many tables.
Its time, because I hear too many excuses. I wont allow what's in the USA f**k up what I and others worked hard to instill. I drive a '94 Montero, a '97 Acura, and have no expensive jewelry. There is nothing on this planet materially that is better than myself. This is what I instill in many doing Hip-Hop that nothing is greater than what is given. These games of people doing anything to get things has seeped into my way so therefore witness some radical virtual things coming from me in protecting the art-form of Hip-Hop.
Never have so many been pimped by so few.
So, I'm going after the few.
I'm tired of it.
Chuck D from CaPEtown, South Africa.
Public Enemy's 71st Tour
6th Leg of a Fear Of A Black Plan Tour
*hijak (who i think were the best non-US rap group, but incidently were complete PE ripoffs)
I was smushed next to Chuck D on a crowded downtown 6 train a few years ago, looked over at him, and he could tell right away i knew who he was. I kept it fellow New Yorker status, and left him alone, but when more people mobbed the train out at the next stop, i looked at him and said, "Too Much Posse." We both had a laugh and i got off the train.
. There is nothing on this planet materially that is better than myself.
pcmr said:
and honestly if he is so high and mighty about blackface, uncle toms and whatnot
what does he call flavor fav's show!
Dude, he has publicly APOLOGIZED for Flavor Flav's behavior, should Chuck force him not to do all that stuff? Be serious.
"I would be lying if I said that the side of Flav shown on 'Strange Love' doesn't affect what I've wanted our collective to stand for because it does, and many have told us how deeply they are bothered by this," he said."
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I realise I'm probably teaching my grandma to suck eggs here, but there are a lot of people who forget that hip-hop began as party music, made by and for people who knew all about the everyday struggle and who didn't care to be reminded about it on a Friday or Saturday night during the few windows of opportunity for a little escapism. Let's not forget that Flash n' 'em had to be strong-armed into recording The Message, largely because they didn't think people would want to hear a song about how tough life was in the hood. Well, maybe people in the hood wouldn't...
Post-Message and especially post-PE, rock critics in particular began to project upon hip-hop this notion that it was the Authentic Voice Of The Oppressed Black Inner City Youth and nothing else; a big section of the white audience that discovered hip-hop between 82-86 bought into that as the dominant paradigm, and it's pretty much stuck for successive audiences of that nature ever since.
No one here thinks that anyone in the US gives a fusk about what hip hop is doing down under.
We do it for ourselves.
Most of the old school rappers and Djs from Aus came from a breaking and graffiti background. So in the beginning most dudes were four elements. It might not have been the experience of US strutters but thats how it popped off here. So you must deal.
Also everyone down here fought long and hard for their music to be heard and recognized in a country that was dominated by pub rock and was ridiculed for being an american rip off.
Bottom line is that unless you were from here you don't have a clue about the culture and what was going on.
Im really disappointed by the ignorant views expressed on what is a normally a fairly open minded and intelligent board.
I could write an essay on this but really whats the point in arguing with you all. Im done.
Now its Christmas so get off the internet and go and spend some time with your loved ones and family !!
How dare we have an opinion that you disagree with?
B/w
The struggle against pub rock is never-ending. You can't let your guard down for a second.
Bonus beef: that Trem guy's RFC crew is fake too.
Drumapella: anything you did we did first.
To follow on from what DJWubWub said, hip-hop has proved to be a powerful tool to engage young people who are into rap but have not been exposed to more positve aspects of it. I could go on and on about the Street Uni in Liverpool, which Chuck D officially opened about 12 months ago now, but if you really care, just google it.
if you pay him, i'm sure he would show up to the release of your b-boy inspired adult diapers.
haha.
yeah I mean Chuck is apparently a gracious guy. He's gonna shout out the dudes on the undercard of the festival he's headlining, dudes he's never heard of before (and who's names he's reading from the flier) and who he'll likely never check for again. The idea that this represents some sort of meaningful "cosign" is pretty far-fetched.
For sure... but he wasn't paid.
This thread ain't dead...
bump
100% chance this is better than anything in this thread i havent read
Yes.
click if you DARE!
Needs more Aussie hip hop..... :-P
LA Hip-Hop is alive and gaining strength.
actually stating they are better than the good ole US of A
I really don't know what constitutes for "relevant" coverage in HIP-HOP news in America these days, but I really want to give you all a heads up. As you know I've been through three passports, 76 countries on the regular in the name of Hip-Hop since 1987 and in 2010, although I've never stopped traveling the earth this year, I've seen, heard and felt some new things.
As far as RAP and HIP-HOP, it's like USA Olympic basketball, the world has parity now and have surpassed the USA in ALL of the basic fundamentals of HIP-HOP - TURNTABLISM, BREAKING, GRAFFITI, and now EMCEEING with succinct mission , meaning and skill. Skill-wise rappers spitting three languages, have created super rappers to move the crowd with intensity and passion. The "arrogant" American comes in blackface, but if there was a HIP-HOP or Rap Olympics, I really don't think the UnitedStates would get Gold, Silver or Brass or even ass for that sake.
Personally, Public Enemy has been setting records in a record book that doesn't really exist. The 20th year anniversary of FEAR OF A BLACK PLANET has become into a year and a half celebration of eights legs and five continents. All the while, looking at a HIP-HOP Planet across 25 countries while still somewhat supportive of American rap, the rest of the world has surpassed the U.S. in skill, in fundamentals and commitment to their communities. Public Enemy's mission is to set the path, pave the road for cats to do their thing for a long time as long as they do it right.
Because of the lack of support from local radio, television and community in the United States, the ability for "local" acts to thrive in their own radius has killed the ability to connect and grow into a proper development as a performer, entertainer and artist. Rappers trying to get put on to a national contract hustle from a NEW YORK or LOS ANGELES corporation has caused the art-form to atrophy from the bottom, while never getting signed to a top echelon that really doesn't exist, but to a very few.
HIP-HOP NEWS spreads like any other mainstream NEWS in America. The garbage that's unfit to print has now floated on websites and blogs like sh*t. For example a rapper working in the community gets obscured while if that same rapper robbed a gas station he'd get top coverage and be label a "rapper" while getting his upcoming or current music somewhat put on blast, regardless of its quality which of course is subjective like any other art. RAP sites and blogs are mimicking the New York POST.
This is not mere complaint , this is truth and its coming down on Americans like rain without a raincoat with cats screaming how they ain't wet. This is real. The other night upon finishing groundbreaking concert performances in Johannesburg we followed a special free concert in Soweto. To make a point that our agenda was to "show? and encourage the Hip-Hop community to be comfortable in its mind and skin without chasing valueless Amerikkkan values.
Never have so many been pimped by so few.
It does the people of the planet little good to hear that an an artist is famous and rich, will wear expensive jewelry straight from the mines, show it off, stay it the hotel, ride in limos, do the VIP with chilled champagne in the clubs, ape and monkey the chicks (meaning not even talking) and keep the dudes away with slave paid bodyguards when real people come close. The mimic of the VIACOM-sanctioned video has run tired, because it shows off, does NOT inspire and it says NOTHING.
Here in South Africa PUBLIC ENEMY has done crucial groundbreaking performances. Its the same level of smashing the house that we've done this year in Moscow, New York, Paris, London , Chicago and other places this year. This is not news We are not trying to prove any point other than to show that a classic work is timeless and doesn't have a demographic per se. The Rolling Stones and U2 are NOT measured by mere tracks' they are measured by the all-around event they present. The art of the performance has left Hip-Hop whereas somebody has led artists to do more performing off the stage than on it. The agenda here is to create artist exchange
This serves as a call to the infrastructure-less Hip-Hop game in Amerikkka. We know what your hustle is, but what is your work and job here? Faking it until making it runs its course in a recession, which is a depression for Black folks who increasingly are becoming more skill-less as they become jobless.
Never have so many been pimped by so few.
Since the music has so much power, and image has become everything to the point that it can dictate the direction of a person in their life, it is my mission now to really become a "freedom fighter" and stop this radiation. With Jay-Z and others who, for years would faint their worth, the statement of "with great power comes great responsibility," is more true. Words are powerful and they can both start wars and bring peace. This cannot be taken lightly. Its important for the words to be body with the community. If not one dime of $250 million doesn't benefit the people who contribute to it then why does that warrant coverage above the will and effort of many in the music who have done great things.
Never have so many been pimped by so few.
I turned 50 this year. Everyday I get the question whats up with Hip-Hop today. If nothing was wrong the question wouldn't be the dominating question I get. I do massive interviews worldwide. I'm covered from varied aspects Hip-Hop, Public Enemy, social issues, musicology in general. So, my interactive world dialogue is deeper and more present than 140 characters.
Never have so many been pimped by so few.
I am tired of the silence of people that know better. There is nothing worse than a person that knows better and does worse. Or says nothing.
And makes excuses for bulls**t.
You know damn well HIP-HOP in the USA has fell way the f**k off as the American dollar and much of America itself. Held up and dictated by White business lawyers, accountants in New York, and Los Angeles offices.
To dictate to a community and not even live or be with the people is offensive. VIACOMs reach into Africa to turn HIP-HOP in to Amerfrica, which is as exploitative as those slave-makers who carried us across on boats. The decisions made in a boardroom in New York City while these cats scurry to their high rises, and suburban mansions from cultural profiteering must stop. And I'm going to do something about it.
Never have so many been pimped by so few.
My agenda of Hip-Hop around the world is in line with its creators, who followed Black Music. The music had the people's back. It has never been my personal agenda. Americans arrogantly have no back. Hip-Hop has followed this. I am disturbed by the fact that I tell artists that doing work in their community will get them little or no buzz for their effort, but in the same sense if they robbed or shot someone or did a bid they would get national and sometimes international attention.
Never have so many been pimped by so few.
So many of your favorite people suck up to the NBA and NFL, because it has order and when you make the game look bad David Stern or Robert Goddell is kicking their asses out . They are the indisputable HWIC, and negroes are in line and silenced. But here in Hip-Hop the dysfunctionality reward makes the money that puts food on many tables.
Its time, because I hear too many excuses. I wont allow what's in the USA f**k up what I and others worked hard to instill. I drive a '94 Montero, a '97 Acura, and have no expensive jewelry. There is nothing on this planet materially that is better than myself. This is what I instill in many doing Hip-Hop that nothing is greater than what is given. These games of people doing anything to get things has seeped into my way so therefore witness some radical virtual things coming from me in protecting the art-form of Hip-Hop.
Never have so many been pimped by so few.
So, I'm going after the few.
I'm tired of it.
Chuck D from CaPEtown, South Africa.
Public Enemy's 71st Tour
6th Leg of a Fear Of A Black Plan Tour
but honestly rap olympics would get crazy ratings on MTV!
what does he call flavor fav's show!
I was smushed next to Chuck D on a crowded downtown 6 train a few years ago, looked over at him, and he could tell right away i knew who he was. I kept it fellow New Yorker status, and left him alone, but when more people mobbed the train out at the next stop, i looked at him and said, "Too Much Posse." We both had a laugh and i got off the train.
Dude, he has publicly APOLOGIZED for Flavor Flav's behavior, should Chuck force him not to do all that stuff? Be serious.
"I would be lying if I said that the side of Flav shown on 'Strange Love' doesn't affect what I've wanted our collective to stand for because it does, and many have told us how deeply they are bothered by this," he said."