Government Assignation Of US Citizens

LaserWolfLaserWolf Portland Oregon 11,517 Posts
edited September 2010 in Strut Central
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice/2010/0831/Anwar-al-Awlaki-ACLU-wants-militant-cleric-taken-off-US-kill-list

By Warren Richey, Staff Writer / August 31, 2010

Two US civil rights groups are asking a federal judge to halt an alleged Obama administration plan to kill an American citizen believed to be allied with Al Qaeda and hiding in Yemen.
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The US government has linked American-born Anwar al-Awlaki (pictured here) to the Fort Hood shootings and the Christmas Day bombing. The Center for Constitutional Rights and the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) filed the lawsuit Monday in Washington, to stop an alleged plan to assassinate him.

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The Center for Constitutional Rights and the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) filed the lawsuit Monday in Washington. It asks US District Judge John Bates to order the government not to carry out the alleged plot to conduct a targeted killing of Anwar al-Awlaki.

Mr. Awlaki is a militant Islamic lecturer who used the Internet to spread the ideology of Al Qaeda. Born in the US and educated at American colleges, Awlaki has provided a bridge between militants overseas and some radical Muslims based in the US.

He is reported to have encouraged Fort Hood shooter Nidal Hasan. He allegedly helped train Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, who has been charged with attempting to blow up an airliner on Christmas Day, and is said to have inspired would-be Times Square bomber Faisal Shahzad.

According to the lawsuit, US officials placed Awlaki???s name on a ???kill list??? in early 2010. The suit says that American officials are using secret criteria to determine who goes on the list.

It says the killings are carried out by the Central Intelligence Agency or the military???s Joint Special Operations Command (JSOC).

???The right to life is the most fundamental of all rights,??? says ACLU lawyer Arthur Spitzer in the complaint.

???US citizens have a right to know what conduct may subject them to execution at the hands of their own government,??? Mr. Spitzer writes. ???Due process requires, at a minimum, that citizens be put on notice of what may cause them to be put to death by the state.???

The complaint adds: ???Both the Constitution and international law prohibit targeted killing except as a last resort to protect against concrete, specific, and imminent threats.???

Government officials have defended the program, saying that after the 9/11 attacks Congress granted the executive branch wide latitude to take action to protect the country from Al Qaeda.

???The US is careful to ensure that all its operations used to prosecute the armed conflict against those forces, including lethal operations, comply with all applicable laws, including the laws of war,??? Justice Department spokesman Matthew Miller said in a statement.

"This administration is using every legal measure available to defeat Al Qaeda, and we will continue to do so as long as its forces pose a threat to this nation," he said.

President Obama, CIA Director Leon Panetta, and Defense Secretary Robert Gates are named as defendants in the suit.

The same two civil rights groups filed a lawsuit on Aug. 3 challenging the legality of Treasury Department regulations that require lawyers in the case to obtain a government-issued license before they could file a lawsuit on behalf of someone on the government???s terrorism list. That suit asked a judge to declare the licensing requirement illegal and unconstitutional.

Both lawsuits were filed in the name of Awlaki???s father, Nasser al-Awlaki. The arrangement was necessary, according to the complaint, because his son, Anwar, is in hiding in Yemen and cannot gain access to lawyers or the courts to assert his constitutional rights without risking imminent death.

The elder Awlaki was a Fulbright scholar from Yemen studying in the US in the 1960s. He married a US citizen and they had a son, Anwar, who is also a US citizen because he was born in the US. The family returned to Yemen in 1978.

Anwar returned and lived in the US from 1991 to 2003. He studied at Colorado State University, San Diego State University, and George Washington University. He is married with three children.

???Upon information and belief,??? the suit says, ???Anwar [Al-Awlaki] is now subject to a standing order that permits the CIA and JSOC to kill him.???

The suit alleges that the targeted-killing program violates Awlaki???s Fourth Amendment right to be free from unreasonable seizure and his Fifth Amendment right not to be deprived of life without due process.
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  • LaserWolfLaserWolf Portland Oregon 11,517 Posts
    What are strutters take on this?

    Also, thanks to Saba for pointing me to this article.

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    Getting assinated sounds like it would hurt.

  • RockadelicRockadelic Out Digging 13,993 Posts
    PelvicDust said:
    Getting assinated sounds like it would hurt.

    We're next to last in spelling too?

  • ReynaldoReynaldo 6,054 Posts
    Revoke citizenship, then kill.

  • RockadelicRockadelic Out Digging 13,993 Posts
    LaserWolf said:
    What are strutters take on this?

    Also, thanks to Saba for pointing me to this article.

    I fully expect the military/government to kill my friend's son, Adam Gadahn, an American citizen who joined the Taliban.

  • LaserWolfLaserWolf Portland Oregon 11,517 Posts
    Rockadelic said:
    PelvicDust said:
    Getting assinated sounds like it would hurt.

    We're next to last in spelling too?

    I am.

  • Possibly the most despicable act of any modern President.

  • PelvicDust said:
    Getting assinated sounds like it would hurt.


  • Cops kill people in the US all the time, and the government has killed plenty of people in "detention." I guess that's technically different than an assasination, so I guess just bring a motherfucker out here and get him to jaywalk in front of some NYPD, dude dies and Cops get absolved, win win.

  • RockadelicRockadelic Out Digging 13,993 Posts
    z_illa said:
    Possibly the most despicable act of any modern President.

    It doesn't appear that anything has actually happened....it's accusations unless you know of someone who was actually assassinated by Obama's orders.

    BTW....you can name anyone you want in a lawsuit.

  • faux_rillzfaux_rillz 14,343 Posts
    "Assignation" = Tryst

  • Rockadelic said:
    z_illa said:
    Possibly the most despicable act of any modern President.

    It doesn't appear that anything has actually happened....it's accusations unless you know of someone who was actually assassinated by Obama's orders.

    BTW....you can name anyone you want in a lawsuit.

    Obama called for the killing of dude. That's what happened.

  • faux_rillz said:
    "Assignation" = Tryst

    Screwed by the American government.

    At least their not doing it with foreigners.

  • z_illa said:
    Rockadelic said:
    z_illa said:
    Possibly the most despicable act of any modern President.

    It doesn't appear that anything has actually happened....it's accusations unless you know of someone who was actually assassinated by Obama's orders.

    BTW....you can name anyone you want in a lawsuit.

    Obama called for the killing of dude. That's what happened.

    I doubt you (anyone) could name a single American president who has not issued a kill order of one type or another on numerous American citizens. There is nothing unusual about this.

  • Horseleech said:
    z_illa said:
    Rockadelic said:
    z_illa said:
    Possibly the most despicable act of any modern President.

    It doesn't appear that anything has actually happened....it's accusations unless you know of someone who was actually assassinated by Obama's orders.

    BTW....you can name anyone you want in a lawsuit.

    Obama called for the killing of dude. That's what happened.

    I doubt you (anyone) could name a single American president who has not issued a kill order of one type or another on numerous American citizens. There is nothing unusual about this.

    And that makes it okay because .....?

  • Horseleech said:
    z_illa said:
    Rockadelic said:
    z_illa said:
    Possibly the most despicable act of any modern President.

    It doesn't appear that anything has actually happened....it's accusations unless you know of someone who was actually assassinated by Obama's orders.

    BTW....you can name anyone you want in a lawsuit.

    Obama called for the killing of dude. That's what happened.

    I doubt you (anyone) could name a single American president who has not issued a kill order of one type or another on numerous American citizens. There is nothing unusual about this.

    Name one besides Barack who has.

  • RockadelicRockadelic Out Digging 13,993 Posts
    z_illa said:
    Rockadelic said:
    z_illa said:
    Possibly the most despicable act of any modern President.

    It doesn't appear that anything has actually happened....it's accusations unless you know of someone who was actually assassinated by Obama's orders.

    BTW....you can name anyone you want in a lawsuit.

    Obama called for the killing of dude. That's what happened.

    Where might I find proof of this?

  • https://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/07/world/middleeast/07yemen.html?_r=1&hp;
    It is extremely rare, if not unprecedented, for an American to be approved for targeted killing, officials said. A former senior legal official in the administration of George W. Bush said he did not know of any American who was approved for targeted killing under the former president.

    Rock, just google the guys name. Anwar al-Awlaki. Choose sources you believe.

  • RockadelicRockadelic Out Digging 13,993 Posts
    z_illa said:
    https://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/07/world/middleeast/07yemen.html?_r=1&hp;
    It is extremely rare, if not unprecedented, for an American to be approved for targeted killing, officials said. A former senior legal official in the administration of George W. Bush said he did not know of any American who was approved for targeted killing under the former president.

    Rock, just google the guys name. Anwar al-Awlaki. Choose sources you believe.

    I did...I found lots of assumptions, accusations and hearsay.

    But let's say it's true.

    Are you outraged that there is a list of terrorists that the government has assigned a "Taken Dead Or Alive" tag to, or that this particular terrorist happened to be born in America? (Insert the word alleged anywhere you see fit).

  • foxnews was on to something...

    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010/04/16/mohamed-elibiary-alawlaki-assassinate-muslims-war-terror-nsc/

    A simple committee of unelected individuals from one branch of government, no matter their subject matter expertise, should not have the power to assassinate an American citizen. The Founding Fathers set up a system of checks and balances, because they recognized that when a king has such powers it is only a matter of time before such power will be turned on political dissenters at home to suppress freedoms. We are a nation that upholds the rule of law in our federal court system and have a Military Commissions system as a backup for terror cases; so why weaken America???s hand by using this extra-judicial assassination policy on American citizens?

  • Rockadelic said:

    Are you outraged that there is a list of terrorists that the government has assigned a "Taken Dead Or Alive" tag to, or that this particular terrorist happened to be born in America? (Insert the word alleged anywhere you see fit).

    Oh, I have plenty of rage to go around. Mainly though, Americans are supposed to be protected by the constitution. I haven't alleged anything yet, I don't see why you think I'd start.

  • z_illa said:
    Horseleech said:
    z_illa said:
    Rockadelic said:
    z_illa said:
    Possibly the most despicable act of any modern President.

    It doesn't appear that anything has actually happened....it's accusations unless you know of someone who was actually assassinated by Obama's orders.

    BTW....you can name anyone you want in a lawsuit.

    Obama called for the killing of dude. That's what happened.

    I doubt you (anyone) could name a single American president who has not issued a kill order of one type or another on numerous American citizens. There is nothing unusual about this.

    Name one besides Barack who has.

    Abraham Lincoln.

  • z_illa said:
    Horseleech said:
    z_illa said:
    Rockadelic said:
    z_illa said:
    Possibly the most despicable act of any modern President.

    It doesn't appear that anything has actually happened....it's accusations unless you know of someone who was actually assassinated by Obama's orders.

    BTW....you can name anyone you want in a lawsuit.

    Obama called for the killing of dude. That's what happened.

    I doubt you (anyone) could name a single American president who has not issued a kill order of one type or another on numerous American citizens. There is nothing unusual about this.

    Name one besides Barack who has.

    Abraham Lincoln.

    I am not aware of any public list Lincoln kept of Americans he wanted murdered on sight. Care to provide further information? I'm not too worried about it, as I said in my post "modern" to specifically exclude the civil war.


  • batmonbatmon 27,574 Posts
    z_illa said:

    FOX news.

    Seriously?

  • batmon said:
    z_illa said:

    FOX news.

    Seriously?

    You know what's worse than someone who believes every thing they hear on fox news? This.


    More sources:

    Newsweek: An Act of Futility
    http://www.newsweek.com/2010/04/12/an-act-of-futility.html

    U.S. Approves Targeted Killing of American Cleric
    https://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/07/world/middleeast/07yemen.html?_r=1&hp;
    Can Anwar al-Awlaki Sue to Get Off Obama's Hit List?
    http://motherjones.com/mojo/2010/08/aclu-anwar-al-awlaki

    Why Is It Legal to Kill Anwar al-Awlaki?
    http://washingtonindependent.com/81550/why-is-it-legal-to-kill-anwar-al-awlaki

    Presidential Dictatorship: Not Thinking Things Through
    http://www.lewrockwell.com/grigg/grigg-w161.html

    Rep. Dennis Kucinich Seeks to Ban Assassinations of US Citizens
    http://www.thenation.com/blog/153899/rep-dennis-kucinich-seeks-ban-assassinations-us-citizens

    assassination squad, Anwar Al-Awlaki
    http://crooksandliars.com/taxonomy/term/8111,10938

    No civilian trial for Anwar al-Awlaki, U.S. citizen
    http://www.examiner.com/political-buzz-in-portland/no-civilian-trial-for-anwar-al-awlaki-u-s-citizen

    Obama's U.S. assassination program? Part 1 and 2 (by Chuck Norris)
    http://www.fourwinds10.com/siterun_data/government/obama_government/news.php?q=1283364340

    And of course the king of all things constitutional...

    ACLU, CCR seek to have Obama enjoined from killing Awlaki without due process
    http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/08/03/awlaki/index.html

  • z_illaz_illa 867 Posts
    I wonder if Harpers is good enough for Batmon.

    I'm sure most of you have been following the interesting debate between Greenwald and Andrew Sullivan, but if you haven't, here is good summary.

  • hammertimehammertime 2,389 Posts
    It's pretty interesting to see how some people's opinions flip when there's a Democrat in the White House. This is a tough situation, but to me the fact that he "happened to be born in America" DOES matter. He's an American citizen. If he shoots at our troops and they shoot back and kill him, so be it. But to be targeting him with a drone strike or something seems to be crossing a line that should not be crossed. Whether this is actually being done or not, I have no idea. But if it's true, it scares me. The power of the federal government has been growing out of control over the past decade.

  • i dont know if its true but theres a german book called "global police state" where it says in case of "terrorism" state laws are no longer in use because it is a case of war and therefore it does not matter where you from or where you are born because they can just basically take you to an island and keep you as long as you are still a suspect and no state can do anything about it in a court of law

  • hammertimehammertime 2,389 Posts
    Well in the case of Guantanamo several courts have ruled it's illegal, unconstitutional, etc. The problem is 2 administrations now have basically ignored that. The idea of the "war on terrorism" is a joke.
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