True, but I'm saying it's significant to me, and I'm not exactly in the category white college kid. Considering I'm not white, and I never went to college.
In the midst of an "intimate moment", years ago, a girl threw on BlackStar and whispered in my ear, "La Ciudad...Respirando".
No joke.
I had to leave.
That sounds, uh... most unfortunate.
I cannot believe that there weren't some warning signs, though:
"b-girl" doodles on notebook?
record bag as fashion statement?
Check and check!
That said, she was hot. I can overlook corny tendencies. You should know, she was from Atlanta and liked for me to call her shortie. Then she would correct me and say, "it's shawwwtie".
True, but I'm saying it's significant to me, and I'm not exactly in the category white college kid. Considering I'm not white, and I never went to college.
- spidey
All I'm saying is that we all have songs/records that are individually significant to us, but that we shouldn't fool ourselves into thinking they necessarily have significance to hip-hop as a whole.
I could reel off quite a few records that I feel that way about.
In the midst of an "intimate moment", years ago, a girl threw on BlackStar and whispered in my ear, "La Ciudad...Respirando".
No joke.
I had to leave.
That sounds, uh... most unfortunate.
I cannot believe that there weren't some warning signs, though:
"b-girl" doodles on notebook?
record bag as fashion statement?
Check and check!
That said, she was hot. I can overlook corny tendencies. You should know, she was from Atlanta and liked for me to call her shortie. Then she would correct me and say, "it's shawwwtie".
:barf:
Did she shawwwwtie you back?
Because in Atlanta we had equal opportunity usage of shawwwtie, where women can call dudes shawwwtie, or one dude might even address another (not necessarily younger) dude that way.
In the midst of an "intimate moment", years ago, a girl threw on BlackStar and whispered in my ear, "La Ciudad...Respirando".
No joke.
I had to leave.
That sounds, uh... most unfortunate.
I cannot believe that there weren't some warning signs, though:
"b-girl" doodles on notebook?
record bag as fashion statement?
Check and check!
That said, she was hot. I can overlook corny tendencies. You should know, she was from Atlanta and liked for me to call her shortie. Then she would correct me and say, "it's shawwwtie".
:barf:
Did she shawwwwtie you back?
Because in Atlanta we had equal opportunity usage of shawwwtie, where women can call dudes shawwwtie, or one dude might even address another (not necessarily younger) dude that way.
In the midst of an "intimate moment", years ago, a girl threw on BlackStar and whispered in my ear, "La Ciudad...Respirando".
No joke.
I had to leave.
That sounds, uh... most unfortunate.
I cannot believe that there weren't some warning signs, though:
whitegirl birds nest 'locks?
"b-girl" doodles on notebook?
record bag as fashion statement?
The girl in question moved to a seriously gunclap part of Flatbush and told me she loved it because it was "cultural". She also had alot of knitted hats.
Also, to clarify, Rawkus was marketing genius, that much was undeniable, but Vitamin's hyperbolous statements about the company's releases bear ZERO resemblance to reality. Vitamin man, you need to go do some research on rap music homie. All you are right now is proof that Rawkus was an incredible marketing phenomenon that inspired tremendous brand loyalty from folks who often were just getting in to rap music. You need some perspective doggs, do your homework before you start making grandiose proclaimations about the place of a compilation record in the pantheon of hip-hop classics.
Also, to clarify, Rawkus was marketing genius, that much was undeniable, but Vitamin's hyperbolous statements about the company's releases bear ZERO resemblance to reality.
No doubt and, like you said, Vitamin is the ultimate testament to that.
Also, to clarify, Rawkus was marketing genius, that much was undeniable, but Vitamin's hyperbolous statements about the company's releases bear ZERO resemblance to reality.
Undeniable...maybe. UNDISPUTED...goes without saying.
Vitamin dude, you are a revisionist historian and someone who clearly knows nothing about hip-hop. As the new director of business affairs/A&R at Rawkus, I look forward to putting out as much music you will hate as possible.
Stay clueless, Zvi
If you really are who you claim to be, then you are a numskull. Even if you don't love Rawkus as much as I do, you don't know the first thing about your job. Here is an internet forum discussing the relaunch of Rawkus and the one guy arguing about how the label is classic is put on blast by the label's director of business and A & R. To call you a fool is an insult to foolishness.
Nope, I'm a businessman and I think Rawkus is a great and viable brand name, that I plan on turning toward the future and using as a vehicle to put out good music. I said nothing negative about Rawkus, I said something negative about you. You know nothing about hip-hop and your perspective is so skewed as to be invalid.
Let's recap. I'm on this board saying your label was culturally significant, put out classic material, influenced rap today and should not be dismissed as backpacker chic. You go out of your way to say I'm clueless, a "revisionist historian" etc... This is the equivalent of Hugh Heffner going to a porno convention and saying people who like his magazine are sick perverts. A smart businessman would either keep his opinions about his vocal fans to himself or use those unsolicited opinions to create buzz for the new label. At the very least, you might say, hey this guy may be nuts but he's probably gonna buy my product, so I shouldn't dis him in public. Instead you decided to mimic the overrated opinions of the self appointed hip hop elites. Anyway I can't help you and it's a shame because I love the old Rawkus and I want to see the new one succeed. Too bad they hired a child to run their business operation.
And Vitamin, your conception of Rawkus is your own - not even the owners of the label have the level of delusion and pretension that you do regarding their venture. If you think that their so-called "classic" records helped them succeed as a business then you are more of a fool that you exhibit with these moronic posts. Rawkus wants to sell records, not be called "classic" by a beltway journalist with little association with - or knowledge of - hip-hop.
There's little wonder that Brett and Jared sold the operation off to MCA/Universal w/o hesitation (thereby enablin' them to walk away w/ some profit as well as reimbursin' Murdoch junior and senior) - the label really floundered when it first started out, throwin' all sorts of stuff against the wall to see what would stick... Some dancehall compilations in amongst that, if memory serves me correct... They just ran w/ the whole surreptitious NYC resurrect-the-golden-era independent vibe 'cause they actually moved units in that genre, not b/c of any undyin' love for the music per se...
Vitamin dude, you are a revisionist historian and someone who clearly knows nothing about hip-hop. As the new director of business affairs/A&R at Rawkus, I look forward to putting out as much music you will hate as possible.
Stay clueless, Zvi
If you really are who you claim to be, then you are a numskull. Even if you don't love Rawkus as much as I do, you don't know the first thing about your job. Here is an internet forum discussing the relaunch of Rawkus and the one guy arguing about how the label is classic is put on blast by the label's director of business and A & R. To call you a fool is an insult to foolishness.
Nope, I'm a businessman and I think Rawkus is a great and viable brand name, that I plan on turning toward the future and using as a vehicle to put out good music. I said nothing negative about Rawkus, I said something negative about you. You know nothing about hip-hop and your perspective is so skewed as to be invalid.
Let's recap. I'm on this board saying your label was culturally significant, put out classic material, influenced rap today and should not be dismissed as backpacker chic. You go out of your way to say I'm clueless, a "revisionist historian" etc... This is the equivalent of Hugh Heffner going to a porno convention and saying people who like his magazine are sick perverts. A smart businessman would either keep his opinions about his vocal fans to himself or use those unsolicited opinions to create buzz for the new label. At the very least, you might say, hey this guy may be nuts but he's probably gonna buy my product, so I shouldn't dis him in public. Instead you decided to mimic the overrated opinions of the self appointed hip hop elites. Anyway I can't help you and it's a shame because I love the old Rawkus and I want to see the new one succeed. Too bad they hired a child to run their business operation.
Unbelievable. Do you really think Rawkus ever cared or cares now whether or not you bought their records? You're not even their demographic.
Vitamin dude, you are a revisionist historian and someone who clearly knows nothing about hip-hop. As the new director of business affairs/A&R at Rawkus, I look forward to putting out as much music you will hate as possible.
Stay clueless, Zvi
If you really are who you claim to be, then you are a numskull. Even if you don't love Rawkus as much as I do, you don't know the first thing about your job. Here is an internet forum discussing the relaunch of Rawkus and the one guy arguing about how the label is classic is put on blast by the label's director of business and A & R. To call you a fool is an insult to foolishness.
Nope, I'm a businessman and I think Rawkus is a great and viable brand name, that I plan on turning toward the future and using as a vehicle to put out good music. I said nothing negative about Rawkus, I said something negative about you. You know nothing about hip-hop and your perspective is so skewed as to be invalid.
Let's recap. I'm on this board saying your label was culturally significant, put out classic material, influenced rap today and should not be dismissed as backpacker chic. You go out of your way to say I'm clueless, a "revisionist historian" etc... This is the equivalent of Hugh Heffner going to a porno convention and saying people who like his magazine are sick perverts. A smart businessman would either keep his opinions about his vocal fans to himself or use those unsolicited opinions to create buzz for the new label. At the very least, you might say, hey this guy may be nuts but he's probably gonna buy my product, so I shouldn't dis him in public. Instead you decided to mimic the overrated opinions of the self appointed hip hop elites. Anyway I can't help you and it's a shame because I love the old Rawkus and I want to see the new one succeed. Too bad they hired a child to run their business operation.
Unbelievable. Do you really think Rawkus ever cared or cares now whether or not you bought their records? You're not even their demographic.
What?
How soon you forget Vitamin's tales of introducing young Capital Hill interns to hip-hop by playing Soundbombing II at his house parties! He's probably personally reponsible for the sale of at least two copies of that CD!
Vitamin dude, you are a revisionist historian and someone who clearly knows nothing about hip-hop. As the new director of business affairs/A&R at Rawkus, I look forward to putting out as much music you will hate as possible.
Stay clueless, Zvi
If you really are who you claim to be, then you are a numskull. Even if you don't love Rawkus as much as I do, you don't know the first thing about your job. Here is an internet forum discussing the relaunch of Rawkus and the one guy arguing about how the label is classic is put on blast by the label's director of business and A & R. To call you a fool is an insult to foolishness.
Nope, I'm a businessman and I think Rawkus is a great and viable brand name, that I plan on turning toward the future and using as a vehicle to put out good music. I said nothing negative about Rawkus, I said something negative about you. You know nothing about hip-hop and your perspective is so skewed as to be invalid.
Let's recap. I'm on this board saying your label was culturally significant, put out classic material, influenced rap today and should not be dismissed as backpacker chic. You go out of your way to say I'm clueless, a "revisionist historian" etc... This is the equivalent of Hugh Heffner going to a porno convention and saying people who like his magazine are sick perverts. A smart businessman would either keep his opinions about his vocal fans to himself or use those unsolicited opinions to create buzz for the new label. At the very least, you might say, hey this guy may be nuts but he's probably gonna buy my product, so I shouldn't dis him in public. Instead you decided to mimic the overrated opinions of the self appointed hip hop elites. Anyway I can't help you and it's a shame because I love the old Rawkus and I want to see the new one succeed. Too bad they hired a child to run their business operation.
I admire your devotion to label/group that you enjoy, but it's Archaic-like in its irrationality. I can see how someone could say that Rawkus is representative of a moment in time in hip hop history. They broke some big artists into the game. That being said, I think its too early to say what influence the label had on the music. Also, Soundbombing II is off the hip hop map - even if you're a dude who doesn't really listen to the majors, chances are you're not listening to "Patriotism", either.
Unbelievable. Do you really think Rawkus ever cared or cares now whether or not you bought their records? You're not even their demographic.
Johnny, I don't have any particular beef with you. But don't pretend you know my demographic, or for that matter my association with the hip hop community.
I admire your devotion to label/group that you enjoy, but it's Archaic-like in its irrationality. I can see how someone could say that Rawkus is representative of a moment in time in hip hop history. They broke some big artists into the game. That being said, I think its too early to say what influence the label had on the music. Also, Soundbombing II is off the hip hop map - even if you're a dude who doesn't really listen to the majors, chances are you're not listening to "Patriotism", either.
zvi: get a niggles a west coast position for rawkus... i can rock all the old gear (just kidding) and still get radio play on the commercial stations. holler at your boy if you need someone out here to work. trying to get paid! you know the number... plus i know youre going to try and get some west coast artists on the label... dont front... my resume is deep cuz...
that hillfiguz shit was dope... shamus, natural resource, jlive, etc... that was the 90s to me as a west coast kid.
Unbelievable. Do you really think Rawkus ever cared or cares now whether or not you bought their records? You're not even their demographic.
Johnny, I don't have any particular beef with you. But don't pretend you know my demographic, or for that matter my association with the hip hop community.
I love it --------
And, everybody, please stop comparing my man Archaic to this clown.
While Archaic's grasp of the big picture is indeed somewhat tenuous, the depth of his knowledge on certain types of rap is really impressive. Vitamin doesn't really seem to know anything about anything rap-related.
Vitamin dude, you are a revisionist historian and someone who clearly knows nothing about hip-hop. As the new director of business affairs/A&R at Rawkus, I look forward to putting out as much music you will hate as possible.
Stay clueless, Zvi
If you really are who you claim to be, then you are a numskull. Even if you don't love Rawkus as much as I do, you don't know the first thing about your job. Here is an internet forum discussing the relaunch of Rawkus and the one guy arguing about how the label is classic is put on blast by the label's director of business and A & R. To call you a fool is an insult to foolishness.
Nope, I'm a businessman and I think Rawkus is a great and viable brand name, that I plan on turning toward the future and using as a vehicle to put out good music. I said nothing negative about Rawkus, I said something negative about you. You know nothing about hip-hop and your perspective is so skewed as to be invalid.
Let's recap. I'm on this board saying your label was culturally significant, put out classic material, influenced rap today and should not be dismissed as backpacker chic. You go out of your way to say I'm clueless, a "revisionist historian" etc... This is the equivalent of Hugh Heffner going to a porno convention and saying people who like his magazine are sick perverts. A smart businessman would either keep his opinions about his vocal fans to himself or use those unsolicited opinions to create buzz for the new label. At the very least, you might say, hey this guy may be nuts but he's probably gonna buy my product, so I shouldn't dis him in public. Instead you decided to mimic the overrated opinions of the self appointed hip hop elites. Anyway I can't help you and it's a shame because I love the old Rawkus and I want to see the new one succeed. Too bad they hired a child to run their business operation.
I'm not mimicking anyone's opinion you troll and again I haven't said ONE bad word about Rawkus. HOWEVER, unlike you I'm a lifetime fan of hip-hop and I refuse to sit by and watch you insist that certain records are vastly, ABSURDLY, more important than they actually are, just because they meant alot in your tiny little college-rap world. My problem is not just with you, but with the whole phenomenon of "internuts", in which faceless know-nothings get all bold behind a computer keyboard and posit baseless theories about subjects that they know absolutely nothing about. Stick to your strengths: Jamiroquai appreciation and being an apologist for a horribly corrupt regime run by religious nuts and predatory capitalist swine.
Vitamin dude, you are a revisionist historian and someone who clearly knows nothing about hip-hop. As the new director of business affairs/A&R at Rawkus, I look forward to putting out as much music you will hate as possible.
Stay clueless, Zvi
If you really are who you claim to be, then you are a numskull. Even if you don't love Rawkus as much as I do, you don't know the first thing about your job. Here is an internet forum discussing the relaunch of Rawkus and the one guy arguing about how the label is classic is put on blast by the label's director of business and A & R. To call you a fool is an insult to foolishness.
Nope, I'm a businessman and I think Rawkus is a great and viable brand name, that I plan on turning toward the future and using as a vehicle to put out good music. I said nothing negative about Rawkus, I said something negative about you. You know nothing about hip-hop and your perspective is so skewed as to be invalid.
Let's recap. I'm on this board saying your label was culturally significant, put out classic material, influenced rap today and should not be dismissed as backpacker chic. You go out of your way to say I'm clueless, a "revisionist historian" etc... This is the equivalent of Hugh Heffner going to a porno convention and saying people who like his magazine are sick perverts. A smart businessman would either keep his opinions about his vocal fans to himself or use those unsolicited opinions to create buzz for the new label. At the very least, you might say, hey this guy may be nuts but he's probably gonna buy my product, so I shouldn't dis him in public. Instead you decided to mimic the overrated opinions of the self appointed hip hop elites. Anyway I can't help you and it's a shame because I love the old Rawkus and I want to see the new one succeed. Too bad they hired a child to run their business operation.
I'm not mimicking anyone's opinion you troll and again I haven't said ONE bad word about Rawkus. HOWEVER, unlike you I'm a lifetime fan of hip-hop and I refuse to sit by and watch you insist that certain records are vastly, ABSURDLY, more important than they actually are, just because they meant alot in your tiny little college-rap world. My problem is not just with you, but with the whole phenomenon of "internuts", in which faceless know-nothings get all bold behind a computer keyboard and posit baseless theories about subjects that they know absolutely nothing about. Stick to your strengths: Jamiroquai appreciation and being an apologist for a horribly corrupt regime run by religious nuts and predatory capitalist swine.
i don't know the whole history here, but it seems like vitamin isnt' making a case that different from everyone else, and he's getting picked on for some of his past opinions or sumpin' (whats this religious talk?). rawkus had an impact. that much is agreed upon. it seems like drama to attack this guy just cuz you disagree on the amount of that impact. allow me to add two things: 1) there were a lot of folks - white, black, college-educated, street thugs, and all - who got hyped when they saw the poster for soundbombing ii posted all over your respective towns. the line-up was exciting to everyone at the time. beyond that one compilation, the label (re)introduced a bunch of artists who have no doubt become a solid chapter in hip hop history. 2) even if rawkus did just have a lasting impact on white college kids, it seems like you're discounting THEIR impact on hip hop. like it or not, suburbanites make up a good portion of the population that listens to and buys hiphop. in other words, respect that scrawny, enfranchised, and, yes, knowledgeable population of hiphopheads.
allow me to add two things: 1) there were a lot of folks - white, black, college-educated, street thugs, and all - who got hyped when they saw the poster for soundbombing ii posted all over your respective towns. the line-up was exciting to everyone at the time. beyond that one compilation, the label (re)introduced a bunch of artists who have no doubt become a solid chapter in hip hop history.
Vitamin dude, you are a revisionist historian and someone who clearly knows nothing about hip-hop. As the new director of business affairs/A&R at Rawkus, I look forward to putting out as much music you will hate as possible.
Stay clueless, Zvi
If you really are who you claim to be, then you are a numskull. Even if you don't love Rawkus as much as I do, you don't know the first thing about your job. Here is an internet forum discussing the relaunch of Rawkus and the one guy arguing about how the label is classic is put on blast by the label's director of business and A & R. To call you a fool is an insult to foolishness.
Nope, I'm a businessman and I think Rawkus is a great and viable brand name, that I plan on turning toward the future and using as a vehicle to put out good music. I said nothing negative about Rawkus, I said something negative about you. You know nothing about hip-hop and your perspective is so skewed as to be invalid.
Let's recap. I'm on this board saying your label was culturally significant, put out classic material, influenced rap today and should not be dismissed as backpacker chic. You go out of your way to say I'm clueless, a "revisionist historian" etc... This is the equivalent of Hugh Heffner going to a porno convention and saying people who like his magazine are sick perverts. A smart businessman would either keep his opinions about his vocal fans to himself or use those unsolicited opinions to create buzz for the new label. At the very least, you might say, hey this guy may be nuts but he's probably gonna buy my product, so I shouldn't dis him in public. Instead you decided to mimic the overrated opinions of the self appointed hip hop elites. Anyway I can't help you and it's a shame because I love the old Rawkus and I want to see the new one succeed. Too bad they hired a child to run their business operation.
I'm not mimicking anyone's opinion you troll and again I haven't said ONE bad word about Rawkus. HOWEVER, unlike you I'm a lifetime fan of hip-hop and I refuse to sit by and watch you insist that certain records are vastly, ABSURDLY, more important than they actually are, just because they meant alot in your tiny little college-rap world. My problem is not just with you, but with the whole phenomenon of "internuts", in which faceless know-nothings get all bold behind a computer keyboard and posit baseless theories about subjects that they know absolutely nothing about. Stick to your strengths: Jamiroquai appreciation and being an apologist for a horribly corrupt regime run by religious nuts and predatory capitalist swine.
i don't know the whole history here, but it seems like vitamin isnt' making a case that different from everyone else, and he's getting picked on for some of his past opinions or sumpin' (whats this religious talk?). rawkus had an impact. that much is agreed upon. it seems like drama to attack this guy just cuz you disagree on the amount of that impact. allow me to add two things: 1) there were a lot of folks - white, black, college-educated, street thugs, and all - who got hyped when they saw the poster for soundbombing ii posted all over your respective towns. the line-up was exciting to everyone at the time. beyond that one compilation, the label (re)introduced a bunch of artists who have no doubt become a solid chapter in hip hop history. 2) even if rawkus did just have a lasting impact on white college kids, it seems like you're discounting THEIR impact on hip hop. like it or not, suburbanites make up a good portion of the population that listens to and buys hiphop. in other words, respect that scrawny, enfranchised, and, yes, knowledgeable population of hiphopheads.
The way you try to claim "that much is agreed upon" reminds me of Vitamin's use of "UNDISPUTED".
And lol at your claim of "street thugs... who got hyped when they saw the poster for soundbombing ii posted all over their respective towns"
Were you personally privy to any of these expressions of thuggish hypeness?
"Son! It's gonna have the n***a El-P on it! R.A. The Rugged Man!"
Rawkus's marketing genius was in fucking nailing a very narrow demographic: college age and younger (mostly) white kids who were uncomfortable with the shifts that were then occurring in rap music and who found the illusion of belonging to a movement particularly appealing. They never had the transdemographic appeal that you claim they did.
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Did she simultaneously bust out with a crocheted diaphragm and ask you make her see Yoruba?
That sounds, uh... most unfortunate.
I cannot believe that there weren't some warning signs, though:
whitegirl birds nest 'locks?
"b-girl" doodles on notebook?
record bag as fashion statement?
- spidey
Check and check!
That said, she was hot. I can overlook corny tendencies. You should know, she was from Atlanta and liked for me to call her shortie. Then she would correct me and say, "it's shawwwtie".
:barf:
Funniest thing I've heard all day.
All I'm saying is that we all have songs/records that are individually significant to us, but that we shouldn't fool ourselves into thinking they necessarily have significance to hip-hop as a whole.
I could reel off quite a few records that I feel that way about.
Did she shawwwwtie you back?
Because in Atlanta we had equal opportunity usage of shawwwtie, where women can call dudes shawwwtie, or one dude might even address another (not necessarily younger) dude that way.
The girl in question moved to a seriously gunclap part of Flatbush and told me she loved it because it was "cultural". She also had alot of knitted hats.
Also, to clarify, Rawkus was marketing genius, that much was undeniable, but Vitamin's hyperbolous statements about the company's releases bear ZERO resemblance to reality. Vitamin man, you need to go do some research on rap music homie. All you are right now is proof that Rawkus was an incredible marketing phenomenon that inspired tremendous brand loyalty from folks who often were just getting in to rap music. You need some perspective doggs, do your homework before you start making grandiose proclaimations about the place of a compilation record in the pantheon of hip-hop classics.
Some starting places:
No doubt and, like you said, Vitamin is the ultimate testament to that.
Undeniable...maybe.
UNDISPUTED...goes without saying.
Let's recap. I'm on this board saying your label was culturally significant, put out classic material, influenced rap today and should not be dismissed as backpacker chic. You go out of your way to say I'm clueless, a "revisionist historian" etc... This is the equivalent of Hugh Heffner going to a porno convention and saying people who like his magazine are sick perverts. A smart businessman would either keep his opinions about his vocal fans to himself or use those unsolicited opinions to create buzz for the new label. At the very least, you might say, hey this guy may be nuts but he's probably gonna buy my product, so I shouldn't dis him in public. Instead you decided to mimic the overrated opinions of the self appointed hip hop elites. Anyway I can't help you and it's a shame because I love the old Rawkus and I want to see the new one succeed. Too bad they hired a child to run their business operation.
Concur w/ you here, JP...
There's little wonder that Brett and Jared sold the operation off to MCA/Universal w/o hesitation (thereby enablin' them to walk away w/ some profit as well as reimbursin' Murdoch junior and senior) - the label really floundered when it first started out, throwin' all sorts of stuff against the wall to see what would stick... Some dancehall compilations in amongst that, if memory serves me correct... They just ran w/ the whole surreptitious NYC resurrect-the-golden-era independent vibe 'cause they actually moved units in that genre, not b/c of any undyin' love for the music per se...
Unbelievable. Do you really think Rawkus ever cared or cares now whether or not you bought their records? You're not even their demographic.
What?
How soon you forget Vitamin's tales of introducing young Capital Hill interns to hip-hop by playing Soundbombing II at his house parties! He's probably personally reponsible for the sale of at least two copies of that CD!
I admire your devotion to label/group that you enjoy, but it's Archaic-like in its irrationality. I can see how someone could say that Rawkus is representative of a moment in time in hip hop history. They broke some big artists into the game. That being said, I think its too early to say what influence the label had on the music. Also, Soundbombing II is off the hip hop map - even if you're a dude who doesn't really listen to the majors, chances are you're not listening to "Patriotism", either.
Respect
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Johnny, I don't have any particular beef with you. But don't pretend you know my demographic, or for that matter my association with the hip hop community.
that hillfiguz shit was dope... shamus, natural resource, jlive, etc... that was the 90s to me as a west coast kid.
I love it
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And, everybody, please stop comparing my man Archaic to this clown.
While Archaic's grasp of the big picture is indeed somewhat tenuous, the depth of his knowledge on certain types of rap is really impressive. Vitamin doesn't really seem to know anything about anything rap-related.
and he spelled Pac with an "o" on page 2... shit im not even a fan of tupac but at least i can spell his name right...
I missed that.
I did, however, note that yesterday he used the phrase "little brown hairs everywhere" as shorthand for an era and style of rap that he enjoys.
I'm not mimicking anyone's opinion you troll and again I haven't said ONE bad word about Rawkus. HOWEVER, unlike you I'm a lifetime fan of hip-hop and I refuse to sit by and watch you insist that certain records are vastly, ABSURDLY, more important than they actually are, just because they meant alot in your tiny little college-rap world. My problem is not just with you, but with the whole phenomenon of "internuts", in which faceless know-nothings get all bold behind a computer keyboard and posit baseless theories about subjects that they know absolutely nothing about. Stick to your strengths: Jamiroquai appreciation and being an apologist for a horribly corrupt regime run by religious nuts and predatory capitalist swine.
i don't know the whole history here, but it seems like vitamin isnt' making a case that different from everyone else, and he's getting picked on for some of his past opinions or sumpin' (whats this religious talk?). rawkus had an impact. that much is agreed upon. it seems like drama to attack this guy just cuz you disagree on the amount of that impact.
allow me to add two things:
1) there were a lot of folks - white, black, college-educated, street thugs, and all - who got hyped when they saw the poster for soundbombing ii posted all over your respective towns. the line-up was exciting to everyone at the time. beyond that one compilation, the label (re)introduced a bunch of artists who have no doubt become a solid chapter in hip hop history.
2) even if rawkus did just have a lasting impact on white college kids, it seems like you're discounting THEIR impact on hip hop. like it or not, suburbanites make up a good portion of the population that listens to and buys hiphop. in other words, respect that scrawny, enfranchised, and, yes, knowledgeable population of hiphopheads.
Where the hell was that? seriously.
from what I gathered in the 50 or so posts I read through this is what this thread thinks of hip hop
-if college kids liked it in the 90's the music sucks
-if it didn't profess ignorance, drug dealing, or any other famed hip-hop stereotype it sucked
-if white people liked it, it sucked
-The trends of hip-hop buyers (white people) mean nothing to a lot of the more vocal people here for reasons I can't quite decipher yet
...continue on...
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The way you try to claim "that much is agreed upon" reminds me of Vitamin's use of "UNDISPUTED".
And lol at your claim of "street thugs... who got hyped when they saw the poster for soundbombing ii posted all over their respective towns"
Were you personally privy to any of these expressions of thuggish hypeness?
"Son! It's gonna have the n***a El-P on it! R.A. The Rugged Man!"
Rawkus's marketing genius was in fucking nailing a very narrow demographic: college age and younger (mostly) white kids who were uncomfortable with the shifts that were then occurring in rap music and who found the illusion of belonging to a movement particularly appealing. They never had the transdemographic appeal that you claim they did.