Quote:/font1h, 21b, 21The REASON McCain lost was HE SUCKEDb, 21PaRep November 6th, 2008 at 12:21 a.m. CST (link)b, 21Rick Davis SUCKS!!!, Charlie Black is the R Equivalent to Bob Shrum A LOSER !!!b, 21b, 21Mark Salter SUCKS !!! Bill McInturf their Pollster is a Go along to get along WEENIEb, 21b, 21The reason that TURD McCain picked Palin was to enthuse the Base which couldn't stand him If not for her he wouldn't of got 40% & that is being charitableb, 21b, 21The ONLY reason I voted for Him is because there was an R next to his name & because of Sarah NOT because I liked Him or Believe him for a minuteb, 21b, 21But then again this is what inside the Beltway Blue Blood R's do when they lose point fingers at someone else USUALLY Conservatives & yep Sarah is a Conservative !!! Par for the course, I would just like to tell the McCain Campaign & McShame himself that there is a Biblical saying "You Reapeth what You Soweth"b, 21b, 21Or More current Payback Is A BITCH !!b, 21b, 21You sit there for years & years Stabbing the Conservative Movement & Base in the Back to the Delirious Excited Laughter of the Drive By Media & then you expect the Conservative Base to support you & pull your Sorry Pathetic Arse across the Finish line???b, 21b, 21Not a Chance !!!!b, 21b, 21That is why 20% of "Conservatives" voted for the Marxist/Socialist Obamab, 21b, 21They looked at you & knew you were Full of Fudge saying you would lower taxes & said this new guy is Full Of Fudge too But at least we know he won't lie to are faces & stab us in the backb, 21b, 21You Know I was depressed when I knew it was over, But with this disgusting BB coming out I AM GLAD THAT BACKSTABBER & HIS CRONIES GOT HUMILIATED !!!!b, 21b, 21Good Night !!!b, 21b, 21I am a Very close to becoming a Libertarian Nowb, 21b, 21h, 21
Quote:/font1h, 21b, 21you are an english teacher right? george w. bush is a privileged oaf who has fallen ass backwards into success throughout his whole lifetime. i think your pedantic teacher sensibilities are confusing the term "tragic hero" with "lucky bastard". if i were feeling generous, i might say Bush is an idiot savant for politics if it weren't for his handlers being responsible for every successful fear mongering strategy he undertook as POTUSb, 21b, 21whereas john mccain, though i am reluctant to call a tragic hero, i might say has a tragic flaw and that was doing whatever it takes to be POTUS at the expense of his reputation. why? because here is a guy who was respected by both republicans and democrats alike for shit like campaign finance reform, for his unselfish service and sacrifices during the Vietnam War, for taking the high road during the 2000 primaries when he was smeared ruthlessly by Rove and Bush and vowed never to play that nasty game. That didn't work out for him in 2000, so what did he do? He scrapped his highly publicized morals and hired the same jerkoffs who smeared him-- the ones responsible for spreading rumors that he had an illegitimate black child, that went after his wife and claimed she was a shady drug addict-- for his OWN CAMPAIGN. IF you think that Dubya deserves more sympathy than McCain and that Dubya is a tragic hero, you may need to stop smoking your hoity-toity crack b, 21b, 21h, 21
b, 21b, 21I'm not sure where I claimed that Bush deserves more sympathy than McCain. Perhaps you can point out where I said that.b, 21b, 21But, hey, I agree with your assessment of John McCain. I think he's a rather tragic figure, too.b, 21b, 21I'm saying that Bush during his presidency has turned into a rather tragic figure. Things were going so well for him and then they suddenly took a tumble, all brought about by his hubris -- remember when people used that word to describe him? Just the fact that his mistakes are so great makes him even more tragic -- tragic in that he was so willing to take on something so completely beyond him.b, 21b, 21Again, this is my opinion. If you don't agree with it, I'm not going to care.
Quote:/font1h, 21b, 21As late as Tuesday night, a McCain adviser said, Ms. Palin was pushing to deliver her own speech just before Mr. McCain???s concession speech, even though vice-presidential nominees do not traditionally speak on election night. But Ms. Palin met up with Mr. McCain with text in hand. She was told no by Mark Salter, one of Mr. McCain???s closest advisers, and Steve Schmidt, Mr. McCain???s top strategist.b, 21b, 21h, 21
b, 21b, 21I'm kind of going to miss this lunatic!
HarveyCanal"a distraction from my main thesis." 13,234 Posts
Bush Sr.: Bad Copb, 21Clinton: Good Copb, 21Bush Jr.: Bad Copb, 21Obama: Good Cop b, 21Dukakis: Kesytone Copb, 21Dole: Keystone Copb, 21Gore: Keystone Copb, 21Kerry: Keystone Copb, 21McCain: Keystone Copb, 21b, 21Perot: Kindergarten Copb, 21Nader: K-9 Cop
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Quote:/font1h, 21b, 21Where's Ron Paul place in that list? b, 21b, 21h, 21
b, 21b, 21Ron Paul didn't run past the primaries...so he doesn't belong on that list.
HarveyCanal"a distraction from my main thesis." 13,234 Posts
But on Ron Paul...it's strange for me (and many others) to see so many Americans currently buying into what has historically been a 150% corrupt system of government. Ron Paul represented the only real and practical reversal of that corrupt SYSTEM. The Federal Reserve needs to be abolished...and not in favor of a regional or world currency that operates under the same shady assumptions. And ending the fabricated war on terror means ending the fabricated war on terror...not just moving it to a more idiotic locale. Ron Paul was the litmus test just to see how serious America was with its so-called astronomical levels of disillusionment. But instead of signing on for the real work, America pegged itself as still complacent enough to accept getting screwed again, albeit this time by a much prettier face. Moreso than ever, an actual solution to not only many of the incidental economic problems we face, but more importantly the systematic disadvantage that is forced upon us by legal pirates, was accessible to the masses...and the masses went for the photo op instead. b, 21b, 21Be very prepared for mid-January is all I can tell you...
Hey dude, I'm a lifelong democrat and, as flawed as it is, I believe in the system and I do my damnedest to work through the system to make this a better country. I think it payed off on Tuesday, and I am definitely am looking forward January 20th and beyond.
Quote:/font1h, 21b, 21Palin wanted to give her own concession speech: b, 21b, 21/font1Quote:/font1h, 21b, 21As late as Tuesday night, a McCain adviser said, Ms. Palin was pushing to deliver her own speech just before Mr. McCain???s concession speech, even though vice-presidential nominees do not traditionally speak on election night. But Ms. Palin met up with Mr. McCain with text in hand. She was told no by Mark Salter, one of Mr. McCain???s closest advisers, and Steve Schmidt, Mr. McCain???s top strategist.b, 21b, 21h, 21
b, 21b, 21I'm kind of going to miss this lunatic! b, 21b, 21h, 21b, 21b, 21where can i get a copy of her speech??!? i waannnaa get a taste of reeeeal america!
Quote:/font1h, 21b, 21But on Ron Paul...it's strange for me (and many others) to see so many Americans currently buying into what has historically been a 150% corrupt system of government. Ron Paul represented the only real and practical reversal of that corrupt SYSTEM. The Federal Reserve needs to be abolished...and not in favor of a regional or world currency that operates under the same shady assumptions. And ending the fabricated war on terror means ending the fabricated war on terror...not just moving it to a more idiotic locale. Ron Paul was the litmus test just to see how serious America was with its so-called astronomical levels of disillusionment. But instead of signing on for the real work, America pegged itself as still complacent enough to accept getting screwed again, albeit this time by a much prettier face. Moreso than ever, an actual solution to not only many of the incidental economic problems we face, but more importantly the systematic disadvantage that is forced upon us by legal pirates, was accessible to the masses...and the masses went for the photo op instead. b, 21b, 21Be very prepared for mid-January is all I can tell you... b, 21b, 21h, 21
b, 21b, 21i don't think you ever bothered to read up on Paul, because if you did, there is no way, based on your posts here, that you'd be a supporter. Paul takes the republican's motto of "less government" to the utmost extremes. So, on the one hand, if you opposed the war, then he is with you, because he would never advocate military force except if we were facing attack. However, on the other, he would never help out genocide victims in Darfur or anywhere else, so long as their problems didn't threaten us. b, 21b, 21Now, once you get past the war issue, Paul is the most dangerous. Doesn't your job involve working with disadvantaged kids? If so, don't expect the federal government to be offering a penny in assistance, since Paul would get rid of entitlement programs and extinguish our tax system. Now, if you apply his hands off approach to all sectors that government has a positive influence (grants, loans, job programs, welfare, state assistance, etc.), everything is left up entirely to the states and without federal help. And wouldn't you be scared of Paul's supreme court appointees considering that he still does not support the 1964 Civil Rights Act, one of the most important pieces of legislation ever passed?b, 21b, 21b, 21 img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/walkawaysonfinal.gif" alt="" 21
Quote:/font1h, 21b, 21/font1Quote:/font1h, 21b, 21But on Ron Paul...it's strange for me (and many others) to see so many Americans currently buying into what has historically been a 150% corrupt system of government. Ron Paul represented the only real and practical reversal of that corrupt SYSTEM. The Federal Reserve needs to be abolished...and not in favor of a regional or world currency that operates under the same shady assumptions. And ending the fabricated war on terror means ending the fabricated war on terror...not just moving it to a more idiotic locale. Ron Paul was the litmus test just to see how serious America was with its so-called astronomical levels of disillusionment. But instead of signing on for the real work, America pegged itself as still complacent enough to accept getting screwed again, albeit this time by a much prettier face. Moreso than ever, an actual solution to not only many of the incidental economic problems we face, but more importantly the systematic disadvantage that is forced upon us by legal pirates, was accessible to the masses...and the masses went for the photo op instead. b, 21b, 21Be very prepared for mid-January is all I can tell you... b, 21b, 21h, 21
b, 21b, 21i don't think you ever bothered to read up on Paul, because if you did, there is no way, based on your posts here, that you'd be a supporter. Paul takes the republican's motto of "less government" to the utmost extremes. So, on the one hand, if you opposed the war, then he is with you, because he would never advocate military force except if we were facing attack. However, on the other, he would never help out genocide victims in Darfur or anywhere else, so long as their problems didn't threaten us. b, 21b, 21Now, once you get past the war issue, Paul is the most dangerous. Doesn't your job involve working with disadvantaged kids? If so, don't expect the federal government to be offering a penny in assistance, since Paul would get rid of entitlement programs and extinguish our tax system. Now, if you apply his hands off approach to all sectors that government has a positive influence (grants, loans, job programs, welfare, state assistance, etc.), everything is left up entirely to the states and without federal help. And wouldn't you be scared of Paul's supreme court appointees considering that he still does not support the 1964 Civil Rights Act, one of the most important pieces of legislation ever passed?b, 21b, 21b, 21 img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/walkawaysonfinal.gif" alt="" 21 b, 21b, 21h, 21b, 21b, 21I can't wait to say this about Harveyb, 21b, 21/font1Quote:/font1h, 21b, 21I'm kind of going to miss this lunatic! b, 21b, 21h, 21
HarveyCanal"a distraction from my main thesis." 13,234 Posts
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Quote:/font1h, 21b, 21/font1Quote:/font1h, 21b, 21But on Ron Paul...it's strange for me (and many others) to see so many Americans currently buying into what has historically been a 150% corrupt system of government. Ron Paul represented the only real and practical reversal of that corrupt SYSTEM. The Federal Reserve needs to be abolished...and not in favor of a regional or world currency that operates under the same shady assumptions. And ending the fabricated war on terror means ending the fabricated war on terror...not just moving it to a more idiotic locale. Ron Paul was the litmus test just to see how serious America was with its so-called astronomical levels of disillusionment. But instead of signing on for the real work, America pegged itself as still complacent enough to accept getting screwed again, albeit this time by a much prettier face. Moreso than ever, an actual solution to not only many of the incidental economic problems we face, but more importantly the systematic disadvantage that is forced upon us by legal pirates, was accessible to the masses...and the masses went for the photo op instead. b, 21b, 21Be very prepared for mid-January is all I can tell you... b, 21b, 21h, 21
b, 21b, 21i don't think you ever bothered to read up on Paul, because if you did, there is no way, based on your posts here, that you'd be a supporter. Paul takes the republican's motto of "less government" to the utmost extremes. So, on the one hand, if you opposed the war, then he is with you, because he would never advocate military force except if we were facing attack. However, on the other, he would never help out genocide victims in Darfur or anywhere else, so long as their problems didn't threaten us. b, 21b, 21Now, once you get past the war issue, Paul is the most dangerous. Doesn't your job involve working with disadvantaged kids? If so, don't expect the federal government to be offering a penny in assistance, since Paul would get rid of entitlement programs and extinguish our tax system. Now, if you apply his hands off approach to all sectors that government has a positive influence (grants, loans, job programs, welfare, state assistance, etc.), everything is left up entirely to the states and without federal help. And wouldn't you be scared of Paul's supreme court appointees considering that he still does not support the 1964 Civil Rights Act, one of the most important pieces of legislation ever passed?b, 21b, 21b, 21 img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/walkawaysonfinal.gif" alt="" 21 b, 21b, 21h, 21b, 21b, 21A non-interventionist approach is far from exclusive to Ron Paul. And you can ask around the world...the US taking a more hands-off approach to international affairs is looooong overdue.b, 21b, 21And no, private donors over federal funding every day of the week. Considering that under a Paul plan citizens would have far less tax to pay, they'd have a whole lot more available for their own philanthropy decisions. b, 21b, 21Seriously, I don't feel the need to continue to accept the givens of an overbloated, ineffecient, and ineffective sham of a governmental system. I'm only interested in breaking it down in order to start anew...so that it can then begin to serve the people rather than evil.
Quote:/font1h, 21b, 21b, 21A non-interventionist approach is far from exclusive to Ron Paul. And you can ask around the world...the US taking a more hands-off approach to international affairs is looooong overdue.b, 21b, 21h, 21
b, 21b, 21b, 21so you agree with Paul that we shouldn't be sending aid and peace keeping troops to countries that are devastated by famine and/or genocide.b, 21b, 21 b, 21b, 21/font1Quote:/font1h, 21b, 21And no, private donors over federal funding every day of the week. Considering that under a Paul plan citizens would have far less tax to pay, they'd have a whole lot more available for their own philanthropy decisions. b, 21b, 21h, 21b, 21b, 21wow. rich people pay a disproportionate amount of taxes in this country. as paul's fellow republicans like to say - 40% of the country (the poor) pay no taxes. b, 21b, 21so your premise counts on the rich to take care of all of the needs of the poor & the middle class, since under a Paul administration, entitlement programs such as welfare would be history...as far as federal funding goes.b, 21b, 21b, 21/font1Quote:/font1h, 21b, 21Seriously, I don't feel the need to continue to accept the givens of an overbloated, ineffecient, and ineffective sham of a governmental system. I'm only interested in breaking it down in order to start anew...so that it can then begin to serve the people rather than evil. b, 21b, 21h, 21b, 21b, 21wtf are you even talking about here? seriously, you haven't made a coherent point in all your months of babbling about ron paul. he is the antithesis of what we need right now when there is so much disparity between rich and poor. there isn't an economist on the planet who would agree that deregulation of epic proportions (the paul credo) is going to elevate the poor.b, 21b, 21 img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ss.gif" alt="" 21
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Quote:/font1h, 21b, 21/font1Quote:/font1h, 21b, 21b, 21A non-interventionist approach is far from exclusive to Ron Paul. And you can ask around the world...the US taking a more hands-off approach to international affairs is looooong overdue.b, 21b, 21h, 21
b, 21b, 21b, 21so you agree with Paul that we shouldn't be sending aid and peace keeping troops to countries that are devastated by famine and/or genocide.b, 21b, 21 b, 21b, 21/font1Quote:/font1h, 21b, 21And no, private donors over federal funding every day of the week. Considering that under a Paul plan citizens would have far less tax to pay, they'd have a whole lot more available for their own philanthropy decisions. b, 21b, 21h, 21b, 21b, 21wow. rich people pay a disproportionate amount of taxes in this country. as paul's fellow republicans like to say - 40% of the country (the poor) pay no taxes. b, 21b, 21so your premise counts on the rich to take care of all of the needs of the poor & the middle class, since under a Paul administration, entitlement programs such as welfare would be history...as far as federal funding goes.b, 21b, 21b, 21/font1Quote:/font1h, 21b, 21Seriously, I don't feel the need to continue to accept the givens of an overbloated, ineffecient, and ineffective sham of a governmental system. I'm only interested in breaking it down in order to start anew...so that it can then begin to serve the people rather than evil. b, 21b, 21h, 21b, 21b, 21wtf are you even talking about here? seriously, you haven't made a coherent point in all your months of babbling about ron paul. he is the antithesis of what we need right now when there is so much disparity between rich and poor. there isn't an economist on the planet who would agree that deregulation of epic proportions (the paul credo) is going to elevate the poor.b, 21b, 21 img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ss.gif" alt="" 21 b, 21b, 21h, 21b, 21b, 21The disparity between rich and poor is exactly what Ron Paul is addressing by limiting the chances for the rich to swindle everyone else out of their earnings. b, 21b, 21The US as a corporation is a meat grinder. It's done its dirty deeds overseas leveraging its way to ransack nations of their wealth and ability to survive in a banker's market. And now it's doing the same to itself.b, 21b, 21Obama will surely continue to turn a blind, complicit eye to such shady activity. Yet Ron Paul doesn't. While the bail-out was passing, Paul was introducing legislation to abolish the Fed. That is exactly what needs to be done. Rid ourselves of fiat money, keep ourselves from getting involved with international fiat money, and build a new monetary system backed by our own tangible wealth. b, 21b, 21Anything otherwise leaves us wide open to the whims of elite bankers who have proven themselves as nothing but criminally negligent and greedy. b, 21b, 21A few well-intended social problems aren't going to fix the problem we are faced with now.
we are in a global economy, are you serious? the answer to our economic troubles is to turn back the clock, ignore globilization, and what...magically turn into a country that can subsist without foreign imports?
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Quote:/font1h, 21b, 21we are in a global economy, are you serious? the answer to our economic troubles is to turn back the clock, ignore globilization, and what...magically turn into a country that can subsist without foreign imports? b, 21b, 21h, 21
b, 21b, 21Turn back the clock on activities that are intentionally repressive, both domestically and abroad...yes.
Quote:/font1h, 21b, 21Considering that under a Paul plan citizens would have far less tax to pay, they'd have a whole lot more available for their own philanthropy decisions.b, 21b, 21h, 21
Quote:/font1h, 21b, 21/font1Quote:/font1h, 21b, 21Considering that under a Paul plan citizens would have far less tax to pay, they'd have a whole lot more available for their own philanthropy decisions.b, 21b, 21h, 21
Quote:/font1h, 21b, 21/font1Quote:/font1h, 21b, 21/font1Quote:/font1h, 21b, 21/font1Quote:/font1h, 21b, 21Hey dude, I'm a lifelong democrat and, as flawed as it is, I believe in the system and I do my damnedest to work through the system to make this a better country. I think it payed off on Tuesday, and I am definitely am looking forward January 20th and beyond. b, 21b, 21h, 21
b, 21b, 21h, 21b, 21b, 21h, 21b, 21b, 21h, 21
HarveyCanal"a distraction from my main thesis." 13,234 Posts
The system isn't just incidentally flawed though. It's intentionally repressive.
Quote:/font1h, 21b, 21Ron Paul was the litmus test just to see how serious America was with its so-called astronomical levels of disillusionment.b, 21b, 21h, 21
b, 21b, 21 img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/badassbuddy_com-slowburner.gif" alt="" 21 img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/107.gif" alt="" 21 img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" 21b, 21b, 21b, 21/font1Quote:/font1h, 21b, 21Be very prepared for mid-January is all I can tell you... b, 21b, 21h, 21b, 21b, 21let me guess... that's when Obama comes out in favor of Real Id / mandatory microchip implants aka 'the mark of the beast'b, 21b, 21 img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/1199.gif" alt="" 21 img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/1199.gif" alt="" 21
HarveyCanal"a distraction from my main thesis." 13,234 Posts
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Quote:/font1h, 21b, 21Can you be a little more specific on what you mean by turning "back the clock on activities that are intentionally repressive, both domestically and abroad" for me? b, 21b, 21h, 21
b, 21b, 21Domestically:b, 21b, 21Federal Reserve banking.b, 21b, 21The IRS as a non-government affiliated collection agancy.b, 21b, 21Not enforcing borders.b, 21b, 21A drug policy that has made us the most incarcerated population anywhere.b, 21b, 21Failing public schools.b, 21b, 21Corporate-rendered environmental policy.b, 21b, 21Lax standards on what constitutes healthy food.b, 21b, 21Vaccination requirements.b, 21b, 21Flouride in our water.b, 21b, 21Cameras everywhere.b, 21b, 21Spying on your phone calls and internet activities.b, 21b, 212-party system as a phony dialectic.b, 21b, 21Etc.b, 21b, 21Abroad:b, 21b, 21Waging war over false pretenses.b, 21b, 21Waging economic sanctions over false pretenses.b, 21b, 21Manipulating elections for nothing but US/corporate gain.b, 21b, 21False flag exercises.b, 21b, 21Exploitation of slave labor.b, 21b, 21Shady lending/collection practices. b, 21b, 21Environmental exploitation. b, 21b, 21Etc.
HarveyCanal"a distraction from my main thesis." 13,234 Posts
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Quote:/font1h, 21b, 21/font1Quote:/font1h, 21b, 21Ron Paul was the litmus test just to see how serious America was with its so-called astronomical levels of disillusionment.b, 21b, 21h, 21
b, 21b, 21 img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/badassbuddy_com-slowburner.gif" alt="" 21 img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/107.gif" alt="" 21 img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" 21b, 21b, 21b, 21/font1Quote:/font1h, 21b, 21Be very prepared for mid-January is all I can tell you... b, 21b, 21h, 21b, 21b, 21let me guess... that's when Obama comes out in favor of Real Id / mandatory microchip implants aka 'the mark of the beast'b, 21b, 21 img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/1199.gif" alt="" 21 img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/1199.gif" alt="" 21 b, 21b, 21h, 21b, 21b, 21No, that's when each of Powell, Biden, and Brzezinsky have pinpointed as a time when "Obama will be faced with an international crisis that will call for many umpopular decisions to be made".
Quote:/font1h, 21b, 21Flouride in our water.b, 21b, 21h, 21
b, 21b, 21If you are concerned about your PBFs then you should move to Portland or back to Eugene. We have no fluoride in our water.b, 21b, 21You should avoid the NE where fluoride occurs naturally.
HarveyCanal"a distraction from my main thesis." 13,234 Posts
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Quote:/font1h, 21b, 21/font1Quote:/font1h, 21b, 21b, 21A drug policy that has made us the most incarcerated population anywhere. b, 21b, 21h, 21
b, 21b, 21So umm..... Who's the "us" in this b, 21b, 21h, 21b, 21b, 21Americans.b, 21b, 21Especially when there aren't many small time dealers/users in America, who are the primary subjects in jail over drugs, flying the drugs in...which of course is a job best left for the CIA.
HarveyCanal"a distraction from my main thesis." 13,234 Posts
b, 21b, 21If you are concerned about your PBFs then you should move to Portland or back to Eugene. We have no fluoride in our water.b, 21b, 21You should avoid the NE where fluoride occurs naturally. b, 21b, 21h, 21b, 21b, 211. I'm not limited to only being concerned about myself and my own family ingesting unnecessary amounts of toxic flouride.b, 21b, 212. There's naturally occuring flouride, that's one thing. Then there is industrial waste flouride which is added to water supplies. That's what I'm against.
Quote:/font1h, 21b, 21The system isn't just incidentally flawed though. It's intentionally repressive. b, 21b, 21h, 21
b, 21b, 21b, 21repressive like like ron paul supporting a constitutional amendment for school prayer, introducing the sancity of life act, and being the voice of the nra? or repressive like ron paul voting against the voting rights act and the civil rights act?
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