Quote:/font1h,121b,121i'm just curious, why do yes on prop 8 people feel strongly enough about it to actually go outside with signs and stand on the side of the road ? I could understand someone not wanting it to pass, feeling very strongly about it...but how good could you feel if it passes ? Bullshit...b, 21b,121Is it all economically rooted ? b, 21b, 21h,121
font class="post"1b,121b,121Economically? I don't see the connection, inherently, even though there is a large number of social conservatives amongst the lower end of the economic spectrum. b,121b,121But people who are against gay marriage are really, really, really against it. It's been like that for the last eight years now, since this issue has really come to the fore. They see it like anti-abortionists, trying to save our souls or some bullshit like that.
Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121i'm just curious, why do yes on prop 8 people feel strongly enough about it to actually go outside with signs and stand on the side of the road ? I could understand someone not wanting it to pass, feeling very strongly about it...but how good could you feel if it passes ? Bullshit...b,121b,121Is it all economically rooted ? b, 21b, 21h,121
font class="post"1b,121b,121Economically? I don't see the connection b, 21b, 21h,121font class="post"1b,121b,121Gay dudes are taking the jobs and forcing me to drink on the couch. It's really messing with my cash flow.
Quote:/font1h,121b,121i'm just curious, why do yes on prop 8 people feel strongly enough about it to actually go outside with signs and stand on the side of the road ? I could understand someone not wanting it to pass, feeling very strongly about it...but how good could you feel if it passes ? Bullshit...b,121 b, 21b, 21h,121
font class="post"1b,121b,121We were joking last week about prop 8 and all these bitter dudes sitting around saying to themselves "all I can think about is faggots!" "it's so wrong!...I wonder what that feels like?" b, 21b, 21I mean really dude, this is 2008 not 1908. Let people live. This is by far the dumbest thing to vote yes on IMO.
Quote:/font1h,121b,121just took my grandmoms to the polls and those yes on H8 fuckkkers were about 300 deep on a 4corner intersection, my gatorade accidently flew out the car at em, i dunno what happened!b, 21b, 21h,121
font class="post"1b,121b,121The bigot quencher????
Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121just took my grandmoms to the polls and those yes on H8 fuckkkers were about 300 deep on a 4corner intersection, my gatorade accidently flew out the car at em, i dunno what happened!b, 21b, 21h,121
font class="post"1b,121b,121The bigot quencher???? b, 21b, 21h,121font class="post"1b,121b,121It's got electrolytes, it's what homophobes crave!
Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121just took my grandmoms to the polls and those yes on H8 fuckkkers were about 300 deep on a 4corner intersection, my gatorade accidently flew out the car at em, i dunno what happened!b, 21b, 21h,121
Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121just took my grandmoms to the polls and those yes on H8 fuckkkers were about 300 deep on a 4corner intersection, my gatorade accidently flew out the car at em, i dunno what happened!b,121b, 21h,121
font class="post"1b,121b, 21The bigot quencher???? b, 21b, 21h,121font class="post"1b,121b, 21It's got electrolytes, it's what homophobes crave! b, 21b, 21h,121font class="post"1b,121 img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/funnypost.gif" alt="" 21 img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beerbang.gif" alt="" 21 img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/green30sv.gif" alt="" 21 b,121b, 21h,121font class="post"1b,121b, 21img src="http://blogs.e-rockford.com/movieman/files/2008/08/fox_news_idiocracy.jpg"1 b, 21b, 21h,121font class="post"1b,121b,121i'm going to go watch that movie now. i can't think of a more apt time than now.b,121b,121there are no economic reasons for prop 8 ? I always thought people were against gay marriage cause it would give marriage tax benefits to gay couples.
some ignorant Q's:b,121b, 211. As I recall it was Mayor Newsom that authorized the the issuance of same sex marriage licenses. He did it based on the CA constitution, but in his capacity as mayor of SF. Does this mean the same sex marriages have only been ???legal??? these past few years in SF, or statewide? Because I heard on NPR of same sex couples trying to beat the clock on Prop 8 by tying the knot this week, but it seemed to be happening statewide, not only in SF.b,121b,1212. As it stands, where and by whom are same sex marriages conducted here in SF (or CA if they have been conducted statewide) honored?b,121b,1213. In the unfortunate event that Prop 8 passes, what happens to marriages conducted do date? Are they annulled?
Quote:/font1h,121b,121Steve Young's wife is down with the no vote (to the tune of $50K in donations as well), and she's the mother of Brigham Young's great-great-great-great-grandchildren.b, 21b, 21 img src="http://img361.imageshack.us/img361/1590/picture3yl1.png"1 b, 21b, 21The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is trying awfully hard to define marriage as one man and one woman/b1. Overcompensating, anyone? b,121b, 21h,121
font class="post"1b,121b, 21yep, and that's why Steve Young and his wife are dude.b,121b,121in other SF sports news, shitbird Jeff Kent is all for Prop 8. we always knew he was a dick though.
Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121Steve Young's wife is down with the no vote (to the tune of $50K in donations as well), and she's the mother of Brigham Young's great-great-great-great-grandchildren.b, 21b, 21 img src="http://img361.imageshack.us/img361/1590/picture3yl1.png"1 b, 21b, 21The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is trying awfully hard to define marriage as one man and one woman/b1. Overcompensating, anyone? b,121b, 21h,121
font class="post"1b,121b, 21yep, and that's why Steve Young and his wife are dude.b,121b,121in other SF sports news, shitbird Jeff Kent is all for Prop 8. we always knew he was a dick though. b,121b, 21h,121font class="post"1b,121b, 21yeah look at him:b,121b, 21img src="http://sportsmed.starwave.com/i/magazine/new/kent_jeff.jpg"1b, 21b, 21it's not a big surprise.
Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121Steve Young's wife is down with the no vote (to the tune of $50K in donations as well), and she's the mother of Brigham Young's great-great-great-great-grandchildren.b, 21b, 21 img src="http://img361.imageshack.us/img361/1590/picture3yl1.png"1 b, 21b, 21The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is trying awfully hard to define marriage as one man and one woman/b1. Overcompensating, anyone? b,121b, 21h,121
font class="post"1b,121b, 21yep, and that's why Steve Young and his wife are dude.b,121b,121in other SF sports news, shitbird Jeff Kent is all for Prop 8. we always knew he was a dick though. b,121b, 21h,121font class="post"1b,121b, 21yeah look at him:b,121b, 21img src="http://sportsmed.starwave.com/i/magazine/new/kent_jeff.jpg"1b, 21b, 21it's not a big surprise. b,121b, 21h,121font class="post"1b,121b, 21^^^Deep in the closet.
Quote:/font1h,121b,121some ignorant Q's:b,121b, 211. As I recall it was Mayor Newsom that authorized the the issuance of same sex marriage licenses. He did it based on the CA constitution, but in his capacity as mayor of SF. Does this mean the same sex marriages have only been ???legal??? these past few years in SF, or statewide? Because I heard on NPR of same sex couples trying to beat the clock on Prop 8 by tying the knot this week, but it seemed to be happening statewide, not only in SF.b,121b,1212. As it stands, where and by whom are same sex marriages conducted here in SF (or CA if they have been conducted statewide) honored?b,121b,1213. In the unfortunate event that Prop 8 passes, what happens to marriages conducted do date? Are they annulled? b, 21b, 21h,121
font class="post"1b,121b,1211. When the CA Supreme Court ruled that gay marriage was allowable, it made all gay marriages in the state legal, not just in SF. In fact, I'm not sure if those SF weddings from a few years back are even still legal now; they might have gotten invalidated. b, 21b, 212. See #1.b,121b,1213. That's not clear. Read: lawsuit.b,121b,121Not to sound like a broken record but there's no way Prop 8 is going do shit, one way or another, without a slew of litigation.
Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121some ignorant Q's:b,121b, 211. As I recall it was Mayor Newsom that authorized the the issuance of same sex marriage licenses. He did it based on the CA constitution, but in his capacity as mayor of SF. Does this mean the same sex marriages have only been ???legal??? these past few years in SF, or statewide? Because I heard on NPR of same sex couples trying to beat the clock on Prop 8 by tying the knot this week, but it seemed to be happening statewide, not only in SF.b,121b,1212. As it stands, where and by whom are same sex marriages conducted here in SF (or CA if they have been conducted statewide) honored?b,121b,1213. In the unfortunate event that Prop 8 passes, what happens to marriages conducted do date? Are they annulled? b, 21b, 21h,121
font class="post"1b,121b,1211. When the CA Supreme Court ruled that gay marriage was allowable, it made all gay marriages in the state legal, not just in SF. In fact, I'm not sure if those SF weddings from a few years back are even still legal now; they might have gotten invalidated. b, 21b, 212. See #1.b,121b,1213. That's not clear. Read: lawsuit.b,121b,121Not to sound like a broken record but there's no way Prop 8 is going do shit, one way or another, without a slew of litigation. b, 21b, 21h,121font class="post"1b,121b,121Re: 1&2: I figured it out I think. The CA Supreme Court invalidated the 2004 same sex marriage licenses, ruling that Newsom had exceeded his authority, but did not decide on the question of whether the CA constitution guaranteed a right to same sex couples to marry. A second set of lawsuits, consolidated into the case In re marriages, ended up before the supreme court to determine the constitutionality of Prop. 22 (the 2000 ballot initiative stating that "only the marriage of one man and one woman is recognized in California") and whether same sex couples had a constitutional right to marry. On May 15, 2008, the CA Supreme Court ruled that Prop. 22 was unconstitutional, and that same sex couples had a constitutional right (under the CA constitution) to marry. That ruling took effect at 5:01 pm on June 16, 2008. Same sex couples could receive a marriage license at any county clerk's office throughout California as of that effective time, and any same sex marriages conducted under those licenses in California since are valid (the 2004 marriage licenses remain invalid). These marriages have been, and continue to be, conducted state-wide.b,121b,121Re: 3, it's clear it will be litigated to hell. I was just wondering if the was a clear argument by the Prop 8 proponents as to how an annulment of past same sex marriages would work exactly.
Prop 8 supporters think it will invalidate gay marriages retroactively since those marriages will not be seen as valid, regardless of when they happened. b, 21b, 21Prop 8 opponents would, naturally, disagree.
Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121Steve Young's wife is down with the no vote (to the tune of $50K in donations as well), and she's the mother of Brigham Young's great-great-great-great-grandchildren.b, 21b, 21 img src="http://img361.imageshack.us/img361/1590/picture3yl1.png"1 b, 21b,121The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is trying awfully hard to define marriage as one man and one woman/b1. Overcompensating, anyone? b,121b, 21h,121
font class="post"1b,121b, 21yep, and that's why Steve Young and his wife are dude.b,121b,121h,121font class="post"1b,121b,121This is fan-f*cking-tastic. Not just because of the bloodline but also because 75% of the funding for Prop 8 comes from mormons
Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121Steve Young's wife is down with the no vote (to the tune of $50K in donations as well), and she's the mother of Brigham Young's great-great-great-great-grandchildren.b, 21b, 21 img src="http://img361.imageshack.us/img361/1590/picture3yl1.png"1 b, 21b,121The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is trying awfully hard to define marriage as one man and one woman/b1. Overcompensating, anyone? b,121b, 21h,121
font class="post"1b,121b, 21yep, and that's why Steve Young and his wife are dude.b,121b,121in other SF sports news, shitbird Jeff Kent is all for Prop 8. we always knew he was a dick though. b,121b, 21h,121font class="post"1b,121b, 21yeah look at him:b,121b, 21img src="http://sportsmed.starwave.com/i/magazine/new/kent_jeff.jpg"1b, 21b, 21it's not a big surprise. b,121b, 21h,121font class="post"1b,121b, 21^^^Deep in the closet. b,121b, 21h,121font class="post"1b,121b, 21hehe i hadn't actually noticed that but i could definataly see him as a male homosexual.
Quote:/font1h,121b,121F*ck you honks. b, 21b, 21h,121
font class="post"1b,121b,121So Cali, plus Rhode Island, and Vermont will be the only states with same sex marriages having full rights if this goes through?
Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121F*ck you honks. b, 21b, 21h,121
font class="post"1b,121b,121So Cali, plus Rhode Island, and Vermont will be the only states with same sex marriages having full rights if this goes through? b, 21b, 21h,121font class="post"1b,121b,121i thought hawaii too.b, 21b, 21how is prop 8 looking...? last i heard it was No by like 3 points or something (this was last day polls).
Ok - right now, Prop 8 is leading BUT it's mostly rural counties reporting. The majority of the Bay Area and LA have not been counted at all. b,121b,121Those motherfuckers in SD voted "yes" on it by 7 points so far.
Quote:/font1h,121b,121b,121b,121Those motherfuckers in SD voted "yes" on it by 7 points so far. b, 21b, 21h,121
font class="post"1b,121b,121everyone i know down here (save 1 asshole from work) have all all voted "no" on this. i guess i'm not in touch with my local experience of shitbirds.
Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121F*ck you honks. b, 21b, 21h,121
font class="post"1b,121b,121So Cali, plus Rhode Island, and Vermont will be the only states with same sex marriages having full rights if this goes through? b, 21b, 21h,121font class="post"1b,121b,121i thought hawaii too.b,121b,121b,121h,121font class="post"1b,121b,121Don't forget MASSACHUSETTS, fool. WE STARTED THAT SHIT! b, 21(first state to allow gay marriage; VT, under Howard Dean, was first with civil unions.)b,121b,121We're pulling for you over here on the East coast...
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