b,121Gov. Palin's performance at Thursday's debate will be critical to the survival of McCain's campaign.
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b,121I think she's an absolute non-factor at this point except as a negative. The survival of McCain's campaign depends on HIS performance, not hers.
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b,121Their military threat, their coercive statecraft, is its ability to deliberately kill civilians.
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b,121No this is not rhetoric. You can find this in the prosecution of the AMIA Cultural Center bombings or the Israeli embassy in Buenos Aires. The Argentine judge implicated the former president, Hashemi Rafsanjani.
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b,121The emancipatory act of the Islamic Republic of Iran was to take American diplomats hostage for 444 days.
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b,121In a post 9-11 era, it's hard to accept how this regime can or should exist in the international system without a fundemental change in their behavior.
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b,121And this says nothing of Iran's treatemnt of their people. They hang gay people on the tops of trains, they beat and torture college demonstrators and in 2004, when there was a moderate government that may have changed this long history of terrorism, what did the conservative clerics do? They told everyone in Khatami's reformist party that they were excluded from the ballot and could not run for office.
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b,121Today the president is someone who once hosted a "holocaust cartoon contest," whose winning entry was Anne Frank in bed with Hitler with the Fuhrer saying, "put that in your diary."
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b,121This kind of tripe is what Lenin called useful idiocy. Iran is a threat to world peace today and if you care about international security, the rights of women, the survival of a Jewish state or nuclear proliferation you should be committed to ending this ghastly regime so Iranians can have their country back.
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b,121Well, I greatly admire the US constitution, and Republicans (except for Neocons, who come from a Democratic background anyway) seem to respect the constitution more than Democrats.
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b,121Yes, unfortunately, it has been corrupted by Neoconservatism.
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I too am perplexed by Vitamin's suppot of Palin...he must be joking around, he HAS to be just trying to push buttons..ANYONE who thinks Palin is a capable candidate is either a)joking b)lying c)or as uninformed/naive/stupid as Palin..and I know Vitamin isnt choice C.
For anyone still keeping score, in the footage released today, she couldnt name a single newspaper or magazine she reads. b,121b,121She's still gonna exceed expectations on Thurs, because all she has to do at this point is form complete sentences. Biden should tread very lightly, throw a couple jabs, but just give her enough rope to hang herself. Gonna be the highest rated VP debates ever...
b,121For anyone still keeping score, in the footage released today, she couldnt name a single newspaper or magazine she reads.
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Many of the neoconservative thinkers (such as Richard Perle) were former Democrats and worked for a Democratic Congressmen before changing to the Republicans with Reagan. b,121b,121According to Professor Francis Fukuyama, a former neoconservative himself, the neoconservatives held four major principles: 1) A concern with spreading democracy and that the internal affairs of countries mattered, 2) A belief that U.S. power could be used for moral purposes such as spreading democracy, 3) A pessimistic view that international law and institutions such as the U.N. could solve the world???s problems, and 4) Skepticism towards grand theories of social engineering. b,121b,121Many of those ideas are shared by many Democrats. The neoconservatives supported Clinton sending troops to the former Yugoslavia to stop the fighting there when the majority of the Republican party condemned the move for example. b,121b,121What happened with the neocons is that many idealized what Reagan accomplished in ending the Cold War, and then served in the Bush I administration during the Gulf War and thought Iraq was an unfinished job. They also forgot about that 4th principle of social engineering by talking themselves into thinking Iraq would be a cakewalk. So after 9/11 they fell back on what they knew, Iraq, and pushed that through the administration, hence the invasion.
b,121And there is a squeamishness about country among those who think America is the prime mover of international terrorism, or that America is responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths in Iraq etc.. etc...
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b,121Of course people should be squeamish over their country killing thousands of people you heartless piece of shit.
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b,121Zero tolerance for this bullshit. The people who protected neighborhoods from the confessional parties who sought genocide in Iraq was the US military after the change in strategy in 2007. They should win a nobel prize for beating back the subhumans who sent truck bombs to pet markets, who sent killers door to door. So I throw the outrage right back at you and the rest of the easily fooled moralizers.
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b,121 she is preferable to say Joe Biden, who is clearly knowledgeable but also at the same time confused. He wanted to partition Iraq for example.
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