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  • rootlesscosmorootlesscosmo 12,848 Posts
    just got back. turkey chili and two hardboiled eggs.

  • mannybolonemannybolone Los Angeles, CA 15,025 Posts
    1) For the sake of precision: McCain didn't "abolish" MLK Day. That was by a republican governor of AZ in 1987. McCain voted against the holiday and also backed said governor however.

    2) So basically...~25% of Clinton supporters won't back Obama while ~20% of Obama supporters won't back Clinton. 5% doesn't seem awfully big to me in this case. Sounds like there's a lot of fucktards to go around.

    3) Rock: Would you vote for someone who supported legal segregation? I'm saying - reasons to vote/not vote for someone on the basis of their legislative record seems pretty Frickin' valid to me - more so than, "I'd drink a beer with that guy."

  • faux_rillzfaux_rillz 14,343 Posts

    3) Rock: Would you vote for someone who supported legal segregation? I'm saying - reasons to vote/not vote for someone on the basis of their legislative record seems pretty Frickin' valid to me - more so than, "I'd drink a beer with that guy."

    Who would want to drink a beer with McCain?

    He seems like somebody that would try to draw you into his drunken stories by pinching and grabbing you.

  • Jonny_PaycheckJonny_Paycheck 17,825 Posts


    He seems like somebody that would start snoring abruptly

  • verb606verb606 2,518 Posts

    3) Rock: Would you vote for someone who supported legal segregation? I'm saying - reasons to vote/not vote for someone on the basis of their legislative record seems pretty Frickin' valid to me - more so than, "I'd drink a beer with that guy."

    Who would want to drink a beer with McCain?

    He seems like somebody that would try to draw you into his drunken stories by pinching and grabbing you.


    You'd be paying for the beers, too. McCain would throw out $.50 thinking beers still cost two bits like back in his day. nyuk nyuk.

  • faux_rillzfaux_rillz 14,343 Posts


    He seems like somebody that would start snoring abruptly

    After the pinching and grabbing, it's the after-party, and after the after-party, it's the abrupt snoring.

    Sounds like a Rockadelic party.

  • RockadelicRockadelic Out Digging 13,993 Posts


    3) Rock: Would you vote for someone who supported legal segregation? I'm saying - reasons to vote/not vote for someone on the basis of their legislative record seems pretty Frickin' valid to me - more so than, "I'd drink a beer with that guy."

    First of all....I'd drink a beer with just about anyone....especially if they were paying.

    I'm also thrilled to know that Faux has spent even one second of his life imagining what a "Rockadelic party" might be like.

    Different issues carry different weight.....MLK Holiday or Abortion wouldn't sway my vote....legalized slavery or segregation would.

  • djdazedjdaze 3,099 Posts
    1) For the sake of precision: McCain didn't "abolish" MLK Day. That was by a republican governor of AZ in 1987. McCain voted against the holiday and also backed said governor however.

    2) So basically...~25% of Clinton supporters won't back Obama while ~20% of Obama supporters won't back Clinton. 5% doesn't seem awfully big to me in this case. Sounds like there's a lot of fucktards to go around.

    3) Rock: Would you vote for someone who supported legal segregation? I'm saying - reasons to vote/not vote for someone on the basis of their legislative record seems pretty Frickin' valid to me - more so than, "I'd drink a beer with that guy."

    1) true, my accuracy was askew

    2) I NEVER said the Obama swayers weren't fucktards, just that there were more that supported Hillary

  • mannybolonemannybolone Los Angeles, CA 15,025 Posts


    2) I NEVER said the Obama swayers weren't fucktards, just that there were more that supported Hillary

    Yeah...5% more.

    I mean, c'mon man. We're talking a statistically-significant-but-still-pretty-darn-small difference.

  • DJ_EnkiDJ_Enki 6,471 Posts
    You're all a bunch of racists. And the only thing I hate more than racism is people of other races.

  • djdazedjdaze 3,099 Posts


    2) I NEVER said the Obama swayers weren't fucktards, just that there were more that supported Hillary

    Yeah...5% more.

    I mean, c'mon man. We're talking a statistically-significant-but-still-pretty-darn-small difference.

    for the sake of precision (heh), it's more than 5%, 1 in 4 vs. less than 1 in 5, that's more like 7%. not a huge number but not a small one either when you consider that extra 7% is more than likely attributed to racism. and not merely the thought that Obama isn't qualified.

  • faux_rillzfaux_rillz 14,343 Posts


    2) I NEVER said the Obama swayers weren't fucktards, just that there were more that supported Hillary

    Yeah...5% more.

    I mean, c'mon man. We're talking a statistically-significant-but-still-pretty-darn-small difference.

    for the sake of precision (heh), it's more than 5%, 1 in 4 vs. less than 1 in 5, that's more like 7%. not a huge number but not a small one either when you consider that extra 7% is more than likely attributed to racism. and not merely the thought that Obama isn't qualified.

    I don't think the two are really separable--reference to his "lack of experience" or "qualifications" tends to be a proxy for racism. He certainly has more of both than Hillary does. Or Bill did, who--let us not forget--had no experience in national politics and was governor of Arkansas.

  • rootlesscosmorootlesscosmo 12,848 Posts
    Or Bill did

    why are you changing the subject?

  • mannybolonemannybolone Los Angeles, CA 15,025 Posts
    we're both wrong: it's actually 9%[/b]

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/105691/McCain-vs-Obama-28-Clinton-Backers-McCain.aspx

    I should have stated earlier: I'm surprised by this insofar as I've found far more virulent Clinton haters amongst Obama fans vs. the other way around BUT if it is racism keeping folks away from Obama, then that'd explain the discrepancy.

  • faux_rillzfaux_rillz 14,343 Posts
    Or Bill did

    why are you changing the subject?

    I'm not--what you quoted was clearly a sidenote to my main point. Although it is clearly relevant to what we're discussing in this thread.

  • djdazedjdaze 3,099 Posts
    we're both wrong: it's actually 9%[/b]

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/105691/McCain-vs-Obama-28-Clinton-Backers-McCain.aspx

    I should have stated earlier: I'm surprised by this insofar as I've found far more virulent Clinton haters amongst Obama fans vs. the other way around BUT if it is racism keeping folks away from Obama, then that'd explain the discrepancy.

    I think the huge difference is that the Obama supporters that are virulent Hillary haters, hate her for the same reasons they would hate McCain, being shady and untrustworthy. I don't think the inverse is true though.

  • rootlesscosmorootlesscosmo 12,848 Posts
    we're both wrong: it's actually 9%[/b]

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/105691/McCain-vs-Obama-28-Clinton-Backers-McCain.aspx

    I should have stated earlier: I'm surprised by this insofar as I've found far more virulent Clinton haters amongst Obama fans vs. the other way around BUT if it is racism keeping folks away from Obama, then that'd explain the discrepancy.

    dude how does this change your view that there are "far more virulent Clinton haters amongst Obama fans vs. the other way around"?

    Your preception is not inconsistent with these poll figures: after all, like I said earlier the 81% of Obama supporters that don't back McCain in McCain v. Hillary are not necesarily voting Hillary.

    I agree that there are far more virulent Clinton haters amongst Obama fans vs. the other way around, and this is precisely what informed my earlier assumption that a greater number of the Hillary 72% would vote Obama than would the Obama 81% vote Hillary.

  • rootlesscosmorootlesscosmo 12,848 Posts
    Or Bill did

    why are you changing the subject?

    I'm not--what you quoted was clearly a sidenote to my main point. Although it is clearly relevant to what we're discussing in this thread.

    and what's that, "racism"? okay, I suppose we could throw in a lot of random facts related to that phenomenon.

    had Bill faced a black candidate in the Dem primary with a real chance of success in a general than I can see your point.

    otherwise it's just a "hey-look-at-an-unqualified-dude-that-benefited-from-his-whiteness" observation that is not particularly relevant to this conversation.

  • Jonny_PaycheckJonny_Paycheck 17,825 Posts
    It may be true that the anti-Hillary-ness of Obama supporters is more virulent than its inverse in the Hillary camps, not least because it seems Obamaniacs are more energized about the campaign in general.

    But her basic argument to the superdelegates and her premise for continuing her run IS that her people will not vote for Obama in the general. She is stoking that attitude because it is the principal tenet of her nomination logic. I think there's not a small amount of "nudge-wink" politics wrapped up in that. I find it alarming.

  • LaserWolfLaserWolf Portland Oregon 11,517 Posts


    Who would want to drink a beer with McCain?

    He seems like somebody that would try to draw you into his drunken stories by pinching and grabbing you.


  • LaserWolfLaserWolf Portland Oregon 11,517 Posts
    Damn, the statistic is stupid, and so is the question.

    The truth is that the big difference between Democrats and Republicans is that Ds will weigh their vote and could go with either candidate. Rs will always vote for the nominee. Even if it is McCain.

    As for Ayers. He was charged with a crime. He turned himself in. The prosecutor blew the case. He is now a contributing member of society. Case closed.

    I would rather be his friend than someone who drunkenly blew his friends face off then used his influence and corrupt Texas legal system to get off with out even an investigation.

    I am glad I am not among the 27% of Americans who support a president who has directed our intelligence community and military to use torture.

    Those are the things that should make someone unelectable, not serving on a charitable board with a person who has been cleared of a 40 year old crime.
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