2) If you don't work for yourself approach your job as if you do. Make decisions and efforts as if you own the company. As long as you're not an idiot this will be recognized and you'll go far.
excellent advice.
Yeah, that's
My added advice, no matter what kind of work/job you do, pay your bills and keep your credit card debt under $1000. And working 2 jobs to put money in savings never hurt anyone.
I feel like I got a pretty good deal going right now. I work pretty hard, but am never in the office more than 40 hours a week... plus I get to travel to exotic places. Sometimes there's a fire drill and I'm working at home some nights, but it's in front of the TV. I have creative control of everything I do and have the most hands off boss of all time. I get paid extremely well for my age, but I definitely want more and have been shopping myself around. I have a few offers on the table for more money, but I know if I switch, I'll end up working twice as much to get just a little more money. It doesn't seem worth it when I break it down. The only thing is that I'm very career oriented and I've hit the ceiling here unless my boss quits. Plus I hate where I live and want to get a job in SF so I can move back up to the city. I've been struggling with this for a while, but I realize that this is a good problem to have, not a real one
when i was in my early twenties, i thought that if i could one day make 30,000 a year i would be a high-roller. I also worked the graveyard shift in a diner.
I remember being in my early twenties and getting a full-time office job in which I made (drum roll) TWENTY THOUSAND DOLLARS A YEAR.
I wanted to call someone; I felt like I'd arrived.
Dude, seriously - when I got out of college, I had a job, doing admin work basically, that paid around $23,000 or so. This was 1994. Not only was I happy just to have a job, but I actually think I might have saved more back then than I do now, even though I make 3x as much.
Just to echo the common point here - Nate - there's no set $ amount. There really isn't. It's one thing to come up with a "minimal amount for survival" vs. "how much will make you happy." As folks have noted, there are a lot of miserable ass rich people out there (I feel like I'm surrounded by them on the Westside) and a lot of quite content people living on far, far less.
That said, I respect that money is f*cking stress. I saw my parents go through a lot of fights over money even though they've always done really well for themselves. I know it bugs the shit out of my mom that I don't earn as much as either her or my dad did in their respective careers. From an immigrant p.ov., it's like I'm hustling backwards but from my perspective, my parents were working 60 hours a week easily whereas I'm not tied to a 9-5 and I only have to teach 8 out of 12 months.
when i was in my early twenties, i thought that if i could one day make 30,000 a year i would be a high-roller. I also worked the graveyard shift in a diner.
I remember being in my early twenties and getting a full-time office job in which I made (drum roll) TWENTY THOUSAND DOLLARS A YEAR.
I wanted to call someone; I felt like I'd arrived.
Dude, seriously - when I got out of college, I had a job, doing admin work basically, that paid around $23,000 or so. This was 1994. Not only was I happy just to have a job, but I actually think I might have saved more back then than I do now, even though I make 3x as much.
Just to echo the common point here - Nate - there's no set $ amount. There really isn't. It's one thing to come up with a "minimal amount for survival" vs. "how much will make you happy." As folks have noted, there are a lot of miserable ass rich people out there (I feel like I'm surrounded by them on the Westside) and a lot of quite content people living on far, far less.
That said, I respect that money is f*cking stress. I saw my parents go through a lot of fights over money even though they've always done really well for themselves. I know it bugs the shit out of my mom that I don't earn as much as either her or my dad did in their respective careers. From an immigrant p.ov., it's like I'm hustling backwards but from my perspective, my parents were working 60 hours a week easily whereas I'm not tied to a 9-5 and I only have to teach 8 out of 12 months.
when i was in my early twenties, i thought that if i could one day make 30,000 a year i would be a high-roller.
This was me as well. I worked at Barnes & Noble and had to work overtime at that shitty place just to make rent. My big dream was to get a real job and break the $30,000 a year barrier. I finally did get a job, and they paid me $35,500 a year--it may as well have been a million to me.
Nowadays, I wouldn't say I'm "paid well" in the sense that I'm clocking mad loot. But I'm "paid well" in the sense that I can pay my rent and all my bills and have plenty of money left over to blow on records and not have to worry about coming up short (unless I egregiously mismanage my money or something).
No matter how much you make, you'll always feel like you could have more. While it is healthy for you to strive for more, learn to also be happy with what you currently have.
Like someone said, it is very important to budget wisely as well. Sometimes you find out you have more $$$ than you realize, and that you are spending it on stupid shit. Figure out a plan, and set goals so you can have the things you want.
In the end, it's good to have goals, but not good to obsess over money either. There are millionaires that are unhappy fucks, so money isn't the key to happiness. Records and women are the key to happiness.
I find the "I earned my 6 figures cause I worked 55-60 hours a week" funny...I used to work 60-65 hours a week as an Athletic Trainer...at school at 6:30-7:00 AM for morning treatments, practices...7 athletic periods during the school day, then after school practices and games (covered all sports)...I was there until 11PM or later at least 3-4 days a week...then all day Saturday...made just under 40k..did it for nearly 10 years. I couldnt take that schedule anymore..so I moved tried my hand at my own business, failed, now I work about 30 hours a week selling records, make half as much as I used to, but Im happier...I get to spend quality time with my girl, get to sleep in damn near everyday, get first dibs on heaters, etc.... I just quit a second job I had working for an internet consulting firm...that shit made my brain hurt, so Im looking for another part time job to help fill the gas tank and pay the OUTRAGEOUS utilities in this city (1000 square foot home...power gas and water clocking in at about 300 a month, in-fuggin-sane)...but Ill take grading terds for chump change over standing out in 110 degree Texas heat at a 4 hour football practice 6 days a week for an "ok" salary...I fgure if I could make about 500 more a month, it would be perfect...
There are two things that I try to place ahead of money. Time and Sanity. You can not put a price on either of these.Those that have kids know were I am coming from.I know of a lot of things that I could be doing to make double the income I earn,but I choose to operate at a level that allows me somewhat enjoy my life and the people in it,and above all maintain my sanity.
Take it from someone who grew up with parents who didn't make a lot of money at their jobs, invest in real estate. You'll make more money doing that than working any job (including being a Manhattan lawyer like Slababa) and you won't have to work yourself to death or kiss your superior's derri??re to get ahead. If you don't believe that it's possible on your meager salary then you are not looking hard enough for investment opportunities or your spending too much money on lattes and raers. Work is for suckers (unless you love what you do).
Take it from someone who grew up with parents who didn't make a lot of money at their jobs, invest in real estate. You'll make more money doing that than working any job (including being a Manhattan lawyer like Slababa) and you won't have to work yourself to death or kiss your superior's derri??re to get ahead. If you don't believe that it's possible on your meager salary then you are not looking hard enough for investment opportunities or your spending too much money on lattes and raers. Work is for suckers (unless you love what you do).
im not a lawyer yet. He asked what a good salary was and I answered, it doesnt mean im making it. but i would agree with you, and add that if not necessarily realestate, but to own ones own business, no matter how small, thats the way you make money.
I find the "I earned my 6 figures cause I worked 55-60 hours a week" funny...I used to work 60-65 hours a week as an Athletic Trainer...at school at 6:30-7:00 AM for morning treatments, practices...7 athletic periods during the school day, then after school practices and games (covered all sports)...I was there until 11PM or later at least 3-4 days a week...then all day Saturday...made just under 40k..did it for nearly 10 years. I couldnt take that schedule anymore..so I moved tried my hand at my own business, failed, now I work about 30 hours a week selling records, make half as much as I used to, but Im happier...I get to spend quality time with my girl, get to sleep in damn near everyday, get first dibs on heaters, etc.... I just quit a second job I had working for an internet consulting firm...that shit made my brain hurt, so Im looking for another part time job to help fill the gas tank and pay the OUTRAGEOUS utilities in this city (1000 square foot home...power gas and water clocking in at about 300 a month, in-fuggin-sane)...but Ill take grading terds for chump change over standing out in 110 degree Texas heat at a 4 hour football practice 6 days a week for an "ok" salary...I fgure if I could make about 500 more a month, it would be perfect...
I'm determined to quit and do something else with my life by the end of the year. I simply want to pay off my debts and have some cash saved up when I do it. For all my hard work over the years I don't feel like I've gained anything positive. I really should sit down and budget myself out.
I work 8-10 days a month for my friend's catering company. No career goals set, and i dont care. The weather is fine and i can do what i want mostly. But i guess i'm pretty poor. Haven't bought a record since I quit my steady job in December...
I find the "I earned my 6 figures cause I worked 55-60 hours a week" funny...I used to work 60-65 hours a week as an Athletic Trainer...at school at 6:30-7:00 AM for morning treatments, practices...7 athletic periods during the school day, then after school practices and games (covered all sports)...I was there until 11PM or later at least 3-4 days a week...then all day Saturday...made just under 40k..did it for nearly 10 years. I couldnt take that schedule anymore..so I moved tried my hand at my own business, failed, now I work about 30 hours a week selling records, make half as much as I used to, but Im happier...I get to spend quality time with my girl, get to sleep in damn near everyday, get first dibs on heaters, etc.... I just quit a second job I had working for an internet consulting firm...that shit made my brain hurt, so Im looking for another part time job to help fill the gas tank and pay the OUTRAGEOUS utilities in this city (1000 square foot home...power gas and water clocking in at about 300 a month, in-fuggin-sane)...but Ill take grading terds for chump change over standing out in 110 degree Texas heat at a 4 hour football practice 6 days a week for an "ok" salary...I fgure if I could make about 500 more a month, it would be perfect...
You sound childless.
Ha! Our 6 month old Boston Terrier is all the responsibilty my girl and I can handle at the moment...
so basically at this point your a wannabe who acts like a sucker daily, thats too fresh...
in ten days i start earning $3,500 a week for being taken out to The 21 Club and Concerts in the park. thats what point Im basically at. Chummmmmmmmmm P
I find the "I earned my 6 figures cause I worked 55-60 hours a week" funny...I used to work 60-65 hours a week as an Athletic Trainer...at school at 6:30-7:00 AM for morning treatments, practices...7 athletic periods during the school day, then after school practices and games (covered all sports)...I was there until 11PM or later at least 3-4 days a week...then all day Saturday...made just under 40k..did it for nearly 10 years. I couldnt take that schedule anymore..so I moved tried my hand at my own business, failed, now I work about 30 hours a week selling records, make half as much as I used to, but Im happier...I get to spend quality time with my girl, get to sleep in damn near everyday, get first dibs on heaters, etc.... I just quit a second job I had working for an internet consulting firm...that shit made my brain hurt, so Im looking for another part time job to help fill the gas tank and pay the OUTRAGEOUS utilities in this city (1000 square foot home...power gas and water clocking in at about 300 a month, in-fuggin-sane)...but Ill take grading terds for chump change over standing out in 110 degree Texas heat at a 4 hour football practice 6 days a week for an "ok" salary...I fgure if I could make about 500 more a month, it would be perfect...
so basically at this point your a wannabe who acts like a sucker daily, thats too fresh...
in ten days i start earning $3,500 a week for being taken out to The 21 Club and Concerts in the park. thats what point Im basically at. Chummmmmmmmmm P
I'm a big fan of work-life balance. My job in Seattle was feeling like a grind - long daily commute across the bridges, fair amount of stress, weird politics in the consulting gigs. I liked the work but not the environment.
So I sold my house at the top of the market, started telecommuting and moved to Hawaii. I make less than half what I used to and I spent a lot on plane tickets last year. I just got reamed with self-employment tax.
But on the other hand, I'm making an above-average middle-class salary working 15 hours a week. I live on a tropical island. I enjoy what I do more although self-motivation is always a struggle.
And since there isn't really a baller lifestyle out here - no clubs, bars, or restaurants worth wasting money at - my expenses dropped through the floor. All I spend money on is vegetables, books, wine, and the occasional pair of boardshorts.
Ok, off to try and find some waves. The North Shore season is wrapping up and it's super flat.
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Yeah, that's
My added advice, no matter what kind of work/job you do, pay your bills and keep your credit card debt under $1000. And working 2 jobs to put money in savings never hurt anyone.
no way in hell i'm payin to play ping-pong
Hell, some if us get paid to play records. And by us, I mean people other than me.
Dude, seriously - when I got out of college, I had a job, doing admin work basically, that paid around $23,000 or so. This was 1994. Not only was I happy just to have a job, but I actually think I might have saved more back then than I do now, even though I make 3x as much.
Just to echo the common point here - Nate - there's no set $ amount. There really isn't. It's one thing to come up with a "minimal amount for survival" vs. "how much will make you happy." As folks have noted, there are a lot of miserable ass rich people out there (I feel like I'm surrounded by them on the Westside) and a lot of quite content people living on far, far less.
That said, I respect that money is f*cking stress. I saw my parents go through a lot of fights over money even though they've always done really well for themselves. I know it bugs the shit out of my mom that I don't earn as much as either her or my dad did in their respective careers. From an immigrant p.ov., it's like I'm hustling backwards but from my perspective, my parents were working 60 hours a week easily whereas I'm not tied to a 9-5 and I only have to teach 8 out of 12 months.
and you have a super cute kid. dont forget that.
This was me as well. I worked at Barnes & Noble and had to work overtime at that shitty place just to make rent. My big dream was to get a real job and break the $30,000 a year barrier. I finally did get a job, and they paid me $35,500 a year--it may as well have been a million to me.
Nowadays, I wouldn't say I'm "paid well" in the sense that I'm clocking mad loot. But I'm "paid well" in the sense that I can pay my rent and all my bills and have plenty of money left over to blow on records and not have to worry about coming up short (unless I egregiously mismanage my money or something).
Like someone said, it is very important to budget wisely as well. Sometimes you find out you have more $$$ than you realize, and that you are spending it on stupid shit. Figure out a plan, and set goals so you can have the things you want.
In the end, it's good to have goals, but not good to obsess over money either. There are millionaires that are unhappy fucks, so money isn't the key to happiness. Records and women are the key to happiness.
file under: buying private turds on ebay
I agree with pretty much everyone in this thread , it ain't "all about the benjamins".
Um how is this possible and please show me the way. Doing one of those things is daunting.
no expensive bottles of wine or diamond encrusted pens in my youth = no bossman today
haha I'm far from young, I just enjoy the finer things.
you sound single
Time and Sanity.
You can not put a price on either of these.Those that have kids know were I am coming from.I know of a lot of things that I could be doing to make double the income I earn,but I choose to operate at a level that allows me somewhat enjoy my life and the people in it,and above all maintain my sanity.
im not a lawyer yet. He asked what a good salary was and I answered, it doesnt mean im making it. but i would agree with you, and add that if not necessarily realestate, but to own ones own business, no matter how small, thats the way you make money.
Between my regular job, dj work and contract work. I can't really complain.
You sound childless.
No career goals set, and i dont care.
The weather is fine and i can do what i want mostly.
But i guess i'm pretty poor. Haven't bought a record since I quit my steady job in December...
Ha! Our 6 month old Boston Terrier is all the responsibilty my girl and I can handle at the moment...
in ten days i start earning $3,500 a week for being taken out to The 21 Club and Concerts in the park. thats what point Im basically at. Chummmmmmmmmm
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you are male escort?
what is so comical?
Let me know when you make partner. I'll send you some flowers.
You already know: he's a five diamond boy
you sold your soul to milhouse too?
So I sold my house at the top of the market, started telecommuting and moved to Hawaii. I make less than half what I used to and I spent a lot on plane tickets last year. I just got reamed with self-employment tax.
But on the other hand, I'm making an above-average middle-class salary working 15 hours a week. I live on a tropical island. I enjoy what I do more although self-motivation is always a struggle.
And since there isn't really a baller lifestyle out here - no clubs, bars, or restaurants worth wasting money at - my expenses dropped through the floor. All I spend money on is vegetables, books, wine, and the occasional pair of boardshorts.
Ok, off to try and find some waves. The North Shore season is wrapping up and it's super flat.