It's weird to talk about albums you once thought were really great and you still think that maybe they are but you haven't listened to them in quite some time. I think I'd rather put on "The Cold Vein" nowadays and just hear El-P at his best behind the boards.
dude talk about muddled beats - anyone ever hear that EP Big Jus did called Black Mamba Serums? man I couldn't get all the way through it more than once.
dude talk about muddled beats - anyone ever hear that EP Big Jus did called Black Mamba Serums? man I couldn't get all the way through it more than once.
I had the first one he put out, Justoleum or something. was pretty bad but dude had a TERRIBLE song up there called tongue sandwich. gafflin whips was aight though.
I think the records has some great songs, and then some songs that just come off like noise. Their delivery went from OK to really bad, and lyrics from really great too trying to hard. The beats went from "hards as...", well, you know, to a bit noisy.
I think it made for an uneven album but some great songs.
The production was a definite step away from the smooth boom bap that was dominating the era. I mean jacking Isely loops with boom bap drums a la erick sermion when i say "smooth boom bap". They took it back to '85 in a way, bringing stripped down, raw beats but with a post-apocalytpic future sound to them. sometimes, like i said, it didn't work too well.
I think I'd rather put on "The Cold Vein" nowadays and just hear El-P at his best behind the boards.
I can hardly listen to all the underground stuff around this era nowadays, but I still very much like The Cold Vein. I've never really been a fan of El-P's production, but this album just hits it right.
I can tell you one thing. FUCK EL P. He is a biter.
when Co Flow came down to Sydney in like 97-98 my boys Sleeping Monk and APEX gave EL P a copy of their demo cd, some raw tracks they'd been working on. When he dropped his next shit, the cunt had used a whole bunch of rimes off their CD. Str8 up!.....
I can tell you one thing. FUCK EL P. He is a biter.
when Co Flow came down to Sydney in like 97-98 my boys Sleeping Monk and APEX gave EL P a copy of their demo cd, some raw tracks they'd been working on. When he dropped his next shit, the cunt had used a whole bunch of rimes off their CD. Str8 up!.....
I can tell you one thing. FUCK EL P. He is a biter.
when Co Flow came down to Sydney in like 97-98 my boys Sleeping Monk and APEX gave EL P a copy of their demo cd, some raw tracks they'd been working on. When he dropped his next shit, the cunt had used a whole bunch of rimes off their CD. Str8 up!.....
I guess Sole was right about him all along.
You're kidding?
How the white man gonna rip of another white man like that?
the question is...how badly will APEX fuck El-P up if he ever returns to Sydney.....
I was always sus on El P cus he loks exactly like CAP(from Style Wars fame...) and we all know how CAP rolled....
hey Kinetic...did you know Koolism used the break that CF uses on Vital Nerve on one of their early tape releases.... Daniel San chops the bassline up better....
I can tell you one thing. FUCK EL P. He is a biter.
when Co Flow came down to Sydney in like 97-98 my boys Sleeping Monk and APEX gave EL P a copy of their demo cd, some raw tracks they'd been working on. When he dropped his next shit, the cunt had used a whole bunch of rimes off their CD. Str8 up!.....
the question is...how badly will APEX fuck El-P up if he ever returns to Sydney.....
I was always sus on El P cus he loks exactly like CAP(from Style Wars fame...) and we all know how CAP rolled....
hey Kinetic...did you know Koolism used the break that CF uses on Vital Nerve on one of their early tape releases.... Daniel San chops the bassline up better....
Word. Do you know what the record is? I never heard any of those early Koolism tapes - you gotta play that shit for me next time I'm over at your place.
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Yo,
That was painful. I don't see how anyone could listen to 12+ songs of that. Afterwards, I would need some Excedrin. To each his/her own, but it didn't appeal to my sensibilities rap-wise. The rappin' was downright irritating.
I liked Juss as a rapper on Funcrusher. He had a good voice, good cadence, and some interesting lyrics. I copped the Lune TNS EP thing and it sounded like a kid who just bought an MPC, which is exactly what he said in one of the songs.
Yeah pretty much sums it up for it - couple of tracks aside. I still appreciate some of the production on the album but have absolutely no interest in going back and revisiting it now - I suspect it's an album that will continue to move up the critic's chart in nostalgic importance as less and less people actually listen to it.
Seems as if I would have liked Co Flow even more than I did...but there was something in there that was just too ____________ to me.
I'm sorta in this boat as well. To me, there were a few songs that I thought were really incredible, but overall the album seemed to suffer from too much content and too little substance, if that makes any sense.
I also think the Co Flow album is what ultimately made it impossible for me to enjoy any of the anticon output. All that ish just sounded like watered down versions of the worst songs from Funcrusher Plus. Ultra-contrived suburban emo rap is correct. I do like Jel though.
Yeah pretty much sums it up for it - couple of tracks aside. I still appreciate some of the production on the album but have absolutely no interest in going back and revisiting it now - I suspect it's an album that will continue to move up the critic's chart in nostalgic importance as less and less people actually listen to it.
Thats on point. It was a ground breaking and important album of its time that will gain more critical respect as the years grow on. But i have no real intrest in revisiting it at all.
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Yeah, at least he wasn't trying to make a rhyme about Michelangelo and the Sixteenth Chapel.
You float like gravity. DEAL.
This makes more sense then your usual postings. Stick with it, it's a great look.
or their muddled ass beats....
dude talk about muddled beats - anyone ever hear that EP Big Jus did called Black Mamba Serums? man I couldn't get all the way through it more than once.
I had the first one he put out, Justoleum or something. was pretty bad but dude had a TERRIBLE song up there called tongue sandwich. gafflin whips was aight though.
I think it made for an uneven album but some great songs.
The production was a definite step away from the smooth boom bap that was dominating the era. I mean jacking Isely loops with boom bap drums a la erick sermion when i say "smooth boom bap". They took it back to '85 in a way, bringing stripped down, raw beats but with a post-apocalytpic future sound to them. sometimes, like i said, it didn't work too well.
I can hardly listen to all the underground stuff around this era nowadays, but I still very much like The Cold Vein. I've never really been a fan of El-P's production, but this album just hits it right.
I think that album made underground hip hop wack. Not necessarily them but what it spawned.
when Co Flow came down to Sydney in like 97-98 my boys Sleeping Monk and APEX gave EL P a copy of their demo cd, some raw tracks they'd been working on. When he dropped his next shit, the cunt had used a whole bunch of rimes off their CD. Str8 up!.....
I guess Sole was right about him all along.
You're kidding?
How the white man gonna rip of another white man like that?
I was always sus on El P cus he loks exactly like CAP(from Style Wars fame...) and we all know how CAP rolled....
hey Kinetic...did you know Koolism used the break that CF uses on Vital Nerve on one of their early tape releases.... Daniel San chops the bassline up better....
i'd be interested in hearing that demo
Yo,
That was painful. I don't see how anyone could listen to 12+ songs of that. Afterwards, I would need some Excedrin. To each his/her own, but it didn't appeal to my sensibilities rap-wise. The rappin' was downright irritating.
Peace,
Big Stacks from Kakalak
Yeah pretty much sums it up for it - couple of tracks aside. I still appreciate some of the production on the album but have absolutely no interest in going back and revisiting it now - I suspect it's an album that will continue to move up the critic's chart in nostalgic importance as less and less people actually listen to it.
I'm sorta in this boat as well. To me, there were a few songs that I thought were really incredible, but overall the album seemed to suffer from too much content and too little substance, if that makes any sense.
I also think the Co Flow album is what ultimately made it impossible for me to enjoy any of the anticon output. All that ish just sounded like watered down versions of the worst songs from Funcrusher Plus. Ultra-contrived suburban emo rap is correct. I do like Jel though.
Now who will ride for early Aesop Rock?
Thats on point. It was a ground breaking and important album of its time that will gain more critical respect as the years grow on. But i have no real intrest in revisiting it at all.