Crash = worst (recent) film ever?

mannybolonemannybolone Los Angeles, CA 15,025 Posts
edited May 2007 in Strut Central
1) I screened this for my class on race, class, gender and popular culture. 2) I thought it was abysmal. Completely unbelievable script and narrative. Insultingly shallow treatment of race/racism. 3) My students - almost across the board - liked this film. 4) That really, really makes me sad. 5) Not to repeat an oft-said comment but this won Best Picture? WTF x 1000
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  • mannybolonemannybolone Los Angeles, CA 15,025 Posts
    Can I also act that Sandra Bullock's performance was career-ending embarrassing.

  • NateBizzoNateBizzo 2,328 Posts
    Glad I'm not the only one.


    By far the most contrived film in recent memory.

  • deejdeej 5,125 Posts
    lots of well-meaning people i know really liked this film.

  • fishmongerfunkfishmongerfunk 4,154 Posts
    AGREED...well at least the most over-praised since forrest gump. manipulative, sentimental, and facile.

  • thesolelifethesolelife 369 Posts
    Still haven't seen it...but (the majority of the) people tell me it's one of the best movies they've seen.

    I guess I shouldn't even bother then, huh?

  • edith headedith head 5,106 Posts
    i thought babel was pretty bad. isn't that the same director?

    edit: no, it isn't.

  • DB_CooperDB_Cooper Manhatin' 7,823 Posts
    lots of well-meaning people i know really liked this film.

    They sound white.

  • mannybolonemannybolone Los Angeles, CA 15,025 Posts
    Still haven't seen it...but (the majority of the) people tell me it's one of the best movies they've seen.

    I guess I shouldn't even bother then, huh?

    Yeah, it's remarkable to me how many people liked this film. I'm seriously, for the sake of respecting my students, trying to understand why.

    Note: if it's not already clear, I hadn't seen this flick until earlier this week and now am screening it again for my Friday class. It is PAINFUL to have to watch this again. I feel like I'm being punished for something I didn't know I did.

  • spelunkspelunk 3,400 Posts
    I think it's a film that's easy to get into and like if your brain is turned off, cause it's so Hollywood dramatized and it fits the stereotypes of the dominant culture like a glove. But if you think for a second about the terrible messages of the film, blatant stereotyping, or just overall awful writing, it becomes unbearable.

    I wasn't at all surprised that it won best picture. Everyone kept talking about how great a message it had (which was....? Don't stereotype people, unless you're an Arab, in which case you just believe in magic angels? But it's okay if we give the Black cop the junkie mom and criminal brother, because all Black people have them, right? Or if we make a comedy scene about two Black guys running over a "chinaman". Oh yeah, and somehow we're all okay with the white cop kid killing the black guy because he walked around and acted torn and emotional in front of a fire afterwards.) and how it was so relevant in a post 9/11 world or some bullshit like that.

    Why did you screen it for your class? To show them all the problems with it?

  • deejdeej 5,125 Posts
    lots of well-meaning people i know really liked this film.

    They sound white.
    actually i've heard 'good things' about it from black ppl as well. i think its just a general, non-race associated 'not thinking' thing

  • faux_rillzfaux_rillz 14,343 Posts
    Can I also act that Sandra Bullock's performance was career-ending embarrassing comedy.

    "I can't figure out why I'm so mad all the time!"

  • mannybolonemannybolone Los Angeles, CA 15,025 Posts
    I think it's a film that's easy to get into and like if your brain is turned off, cause it's so Hollywood dramatized and it fits the stereotypes of the dominant culture like a glove. But if you think for a second about the terrible messages of the film, blatant stereotyping, or just overall awful writing, it becomes unbearable.

    I wasn't at all surprised that it won best picture. Everyone kept talking about how great a message it had (which was....? Don't stereotype people, unless you're an Arab, in which case you just believe in magic angels? But it's okay if we give the Black cop the junkie mom and criminal brother, because all Black people have them, right? Or if we make a comedy scene about two Black guys running over a "chinaman". Oh yeah, and somehow we're all okay with the white cop kid killing the black guy because he walked around and acted torn and emotional in front of a fire afterwards.) and how it was so relevant in a post 9/11 world or some bullshit like that.

    Why did you screen it for your class? To show them all the problems with it?

    Spelunk,

    I was HOPING that, showing this at the end of the semester, my students would bring to bear their critical analysis tools to dissect what's wrong with the film.

    Instead, a few of them professed that they liked it BETTER the second time. Shit was like a slap in the face though it probably means that I spent too much time during the semester examining the relationship between history and representations and not enough time analyzing/critiquing representations (I didn't really want to teach the latter kind of class and still don't but now I'm rethinking how I might teach "Crash" the next time around).

    Also, given that it's a recent film that's so much about "racism", it made sense to talk about. It probably would have helped to watch the film first on my own but frankly, my friends who didn't like it more or less convinced me to avoid the flick on my own.

  • deejdeej 5,125 Posts
    Instead, a few of them professed that they liked it BETTER the second time. Shit was like a slap in the face though it probably means that I spent too much time during the semester examining the relationship between history and representations and not enough time analyzing/critiquing representations (I didn't really want to teach the latter kind of class and still don't but now I'm rethinking how I might teach "Crash" the next time around).
    this is, i think, a huge issue with these kinds of discussions. It seems like people understand the historical consensus on past forms but have trouble bringing any critical thought to bear on current culture; its like folks lose all perspective or something.

  • jleejlee 1,539 Posts
    i am gonna go out on a limb and say that if you are showing this movie in a college class, it really should come as no surprise at all that 18-20yr old kids like this movie.

    has famous people: check
    speaks to social issues (regardless of how contrived): check
    shows boobies in film: check
    won awards, and thus apparently approved by upper crusty movie elites: check

    this movie is lame and contrived, but i am not the least bit surprised a bunch of young impressionable college kids think its deep.


    if you showed 'larry the cable guy' and these kids thought it was deep....well then i would say you have a problem on your hands.

  • diddnt mind crash, diddnt think it was that great.

    This Sounds REAL good though:

    http://www.killerofsheep.com/

    check out the trailer, I guess theres a new print and Its going to be touring.

  • deejdeej 5,125 Posts
    i am gonna go out on a limb and say that if you are showing this movie in a college class, it really should come as no surprise at all that 18-20yr old kids like this movie.

    has famous people: check
    speaks to social issues (regardless of how contrived): check
    shows boobies in film: check
    won awards, and thus apparently approved by upper crusty movie elites: check

    this movie is lame and contrived, but i am not the least bit surprised a bunch of young impressionable college kids think its deep.


    if you showed 'larry the cable guy' and these kids thought it was deep....well then i would say you have a problem on your hands.

    there are lots of interesting things to be discussed in larry the cable guy

  • mannybolonemannybolone Los Angeles, CA 15,025 Posts
    JLee,

    I didn't say I was surprised. I said I was sad (read: disappointed). World of difference.

    And you don't give college students enough credit. Not EVERY bunch of 18-20 year olds are as uncritical and lemming-esque as you suggest. As noted, I take part of the blame here - I should have shown this class at the beginning of class, ask for their opinions, pointed out my concerns with it, and set the tone from there.



    i am gonna go out on a limb and say that if you are showing this movie in a college class, it really should come as no surprise at all that 18-20yr old kids like this movie.

    has famous people: check
    speaks to social issues (regardless of how contrived): check
    shows boobies in film: check
    won awards, and thus apparently approved by upper crusty movie elites: check

    this movie is lame and contrived, but i am not the least bit surprised a bunch of young impressionable college kids think its deep.


    if you showed 'larry the cable guy' and these kids thought it was deep....well then i would say you have a problem on your hands.

  • jimeyjimey 279 Posts
    crash is way to overrated

  • faux_rillzfaux_rillz 14,343 Posts
    crash is way to overrated

    How is something "to[o] overrated"?

    Is there some amount of overrating that is not excessive?

  • JiggamofoJiggamofo 42 Posts
    Spanky, what's the class that you were teaching (some sociology I would expect)? I really disliked this movie, contrived, poorly acted, poorly written, etc. And wasn't shocked that it won best picture, but, as most have posted before me, was surprised at who actually did like the movie. People who's opinion I respect liked it and I just don't get it. It was just mind pablum making itself out to be the "Black Like Me" in shock and awe for film. There were no revelations about racism that Mr. Mackey doesn't say in South Park, and I won't be seeing any Paul Haggis' films any time soon. Get social commentary from a place unclouded by racism, it praises honour.... with Glory!

  • spelunkspelunk 3,400 Posts
    I was HOPING that, showing this at the end of the semester, my students would bring to bear their critical analysis tools to dissect what's wrong with the film.

    Instead, a few of them professed that they liked it BETTER the second time. Shit was like a slap in the face though it probably means that I spent too much time during the semester examining the relationship between history and representations and not enough time analyzing/critiquing representations (I didn't really want to teach the latter kind of class and still don't but now I'm rethinking how I might teach "Crash" the next time around).

    Also, given that it's a recent film that's so much about "racism", it made sense to talk about. It probably would have helped to watch the film first on my own but frankly, my friends who didn't like it more or less convinced me to avoid the flick on my own.

    Yeah, I mean I don't know students at your campus at all but I'd venture to say that at pretty much any college most students are going to need to have the problems with the film beat over their head with a blunt object. In my experience very few people I know actually internalize what they learn in Sociology or any field for that matter in a way so that they apply it to their own views and lives. True even of those who major in it. The level of disconnection many students have between their own lives and what they learn in college is astounding.

    The biggest point to make is that it's essentially a racist film whose focus is on why racism is wrong. If students can get their heads around that one then I think that's a big step.

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  • mannybolonemannybolone Los Angeles, CA 15,025 Posts
    There's nothing wrong in showing them a "bad film" - I'm not teaching a filmmaking class - subjective analysis isn't the point. I'm teaching a course on race, class, gender and popular culture. By that standard, teaching "Crash" makes sense as a way of taking a contemporary film that tries to deal with all three (and misses them completely). Especially given the kind of adulation the film has earned - and the fact that almost all my students have watched it - it's a sensible choice.

    I don't regret using the film - I'd use it again in fact. Not having watched it first wasn't a big deal either - it actually helped to see the film with fresh eyes since it puts me in my students shoes for once. Most of the films I've used in this course are flicks my kids have NOT seen before but I have. A reversal of roles is useful, pedagologically.

  • edulusedulus 421 Posts
    was at the video store (i know) and these pre-teens were at the rack across from me and the girl picks up crash and says "this is like the smartest movie ever".

  • Otis_FunkmeyerOtis_Funkmeyer 1,321 Posts
    I didn't love the movie, but, on a simple level, I did like that many characters showed good and evil sides, which is more realistic than in most movies where people are either one or the other.
    Also, the "blank gunshot" and car fire scenes were intense.

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  • GnatGnat 1,183 Posts
    Spank Dub~

    I don't think this film was intended for you or someone of your experience/knowledge. Although brutally "meaningful", I think it serves its purpose to bring up "race" as an issue to people that think its no longer a factor in people's day-to-day lives. Sandra's performance was hard to watch--kind of like scraping my canines down a chalk board while someone rubs a cheese grater on my ass.

    Oh, if such racially inexperienced people could only visit soulstrut with all of our sophisticated talk on race.

  • bassiebassie 11,710 Posts
    I posted this around the time it won the Oscar - it sums up nicely how it falls short:

    Cineaste review

    Crash

    by Michael Sicinski

    Paul Haggis's debut feature Crash is one of the best-reviewed films to be released so far this year, and it isn't going away. Judging from those reviews, its makers have successfully generated an air of Importance around it, and this is dangerous, because this pensive ambiance may well mean that the film's slipshod, contrivance-laden ???analysis' of race relations could be mistaken for genuine insight.

    Naturally, Haggis's choice of subject matter goes a long way toward establishing both its own relevance and a hard-nosed creative fearlessness bordering on the pugilistic. Crash tackles race relations in the U.S., using present-day Los Angeles as its roiling laboratory. Haggis must surely be aware that any such film project will be accorded a degree of respect simply by dint of addressing this topic. Since Hollywood generally avoids the unpleasant truths of American racism, any film that dives into this particular wreck must be brave, bracing, and controversial. Selecting L.A. is a kind of no-brainer here, for a few basic reasons. Not only does it give the impression that the Hollywood machine is taking a hard look at itself, digging up the bones in its own backyard, but it also provides instant historical cachet. (???What, if anything,' Haggis implicitly asks, ???has changed since the Rodney King verdict and the L.A. uprisings?') And it leads a nominally informed viewer to expect at least a cursory engagement with the artistic and political reckoning with those events. (???Where do we go from here?') In short, Crash is presold as a piece of liberal artistic intervention, and in this way the entertainment industry is paradoxically rewarded for its timidity. By avoiding controversy most of the time, a risk-averse Hollywood can sell its own periodic ???daring' as a product unto itself, and Crash fits the bill beautifully. It has an air of truth, without ever saying anything truthful.

    The plotline of Crash could be described as a riff on Arthur Schnitzler's La Ronde, with racial hatred replacing the sexual coupling. There are two major events around which most other occurrences in the film circulate???the murder of Peter (Larenz Tate), a young African-American criminal, and the titular car crash in which Christine (Thandie Newton) overturns in her SUV. Sgt. Ryan (Matt Dillon), the racist cop who sexually molested her during a traffic stop the previous night, is the officer on the scene who pulls her from the burning car. Throughout the film, characters encounter and reencounter one another in highly convenient ways. For example, Peter's brother Graham (Don Cheadle), an LAPD detective, discovers Peter's dead body in the desert. Prior to learning of his brother's death, Graham is strong-armed by the D.A.'s office into suppressing evidence that may partially exonerate a white police officer charged with killing a black cop. The D.A. (Brendan Fraser) is looking for a conviction that would help endear him to the black community, since he is trying to manage a potential media scandal. He and his wife (Sandra Bullock) were carjacked in Sherman Oaks by two young black men???none other than Peter and his friend Anthony (rapper Chris ???Ludacris??? Smith).

    In a distinct but intersecting circle of coincidence, each of the two cops responsible for pulling over Christine and her husband Cameron (Terrence Howard) is later shown performing a good deed. Sgt. Ryan rescues Christine from her SUV, and Officer Hanson (Ryan Phillippe) intercedes on Cameron's behalf during a police standoff. Presumably this is intended to complicate the heinous behavior we witness elsewhere in the film. (Officer Hanson, in fact, is Peter's killer.) The film tells us that no one is all good or all bad. This is a facile, obvious notion, and ironically, one Crash propounds only by showing human behavior at its polar extremes.

    As the above should make clear, implausible coincidence and leaden script contrivance are the heart and soul of Crash. Characters land up in situations that beggar belief, and, once within those situations, they rather conveniently behave in wholly artificial ways in order to foreground this or that thesis on racism. This pawns-on-a-chessboard approach to human relations is the single most frustrating element of the film. And one of the most baffling aspects of its mostly-positive cultural reception is the fact that this compendium of the implausible has been lauded as the grittiest of realism. Something about Haggis's construction and arrangement of pat falsehoods has rendered them largely impervious to reality-testing. How does Crash accord itself this air of realism? In addition to the dominant cultural assumptions already mentioned (almost by definition, a movie addressing racism equals ???gritty reality'), I think there are some basic ways in which a film like Crash coincides???both formally and politically???with certain desirable images liberal America has of itself.

    Crash departs only slightly from the standard Hollywood visual style, and despite its nominally unconventional chronology, there is nothing remarkable about its editing scheme. Crash does incorporate handheld camerawork, however, along with a slightly grainy film stock, and its most distinctive visual feature???an overall bluish tint to the exteriors, with a slightly overwarm orange suffusing many of the interiors. This scheme, adapted from the hand-tinting of early silent cinema, has experienced a revival of late. It has been popularized by American ???Indiewood' cinema, as in Steven Soderbergh's Traffic (2000), but anyone familiar with popular TV of recent years will recognize this style immediately???the CSI programs use it, as do many police dramas on HBO and F/X. Like any other esthetic device (e.g., the Dogme 95 style), it ceases to draw attention to itself when its iterations reach a saturation point. And in the contexts typically deployed by the cop shows, what should be an obtrusive stylistic flourish (departing from traditional color) has evolved into a kind of shorthand. Apparently this is how one now depicts ripped-from-the-headlines urban reality, and Haggis uses this slick, processed sheen to imbue Crash with the appropriate veneer of harsh street truth.

    And this is all the better for helping ideology to go down smoothly. Part of Haggis's political misfire pertains to the blinkered assumptions of American liberalism, a well-intentioned worldview that serves to occlude the structural roots of inequality. One of the effects of Crash's format is to foreground a collection of individual encounters in a highly structured manner. Unlike a work of Brechtian counter-cinema like Lars von Trier's Dogville (2003), which attempts to show that all individual choice as constrained by the demands of structural inequality, Crash uses the roundelay format to treat individual decision-taking as the dominant structure. One comes away from Crash with a very liberal, localized understanding of how racism works. You see, everybody's a little bit racist, and you never know when you'll find yourself in a situation when and where your racist nature will emerge. Or, as Sgt. Ryan says to Officer Hanson upon the dissolution of their partnership, ???You think you know who you are. You have no idea.??? It's worth noting that this is a slight variation of the tagline for MTV's ???Diary??? program, a reality show that allows Jennifer Lopez's or Usher's publicists to sculpt an off-screen persona for their stars, which is then presented as the unfiltered real-deal.)

    The dominant illusion that Crash's form attempts to convey about its own narrative is that each character does something virtuous in one situation, and something unconscionably racist in another. But this isn't true. Some characters are exemplars of pure good. Latino locksmith Daniel (Michael Pena) exists solely to i ncur racist threats and insults from other characters, then to belie their opinions through his role as the most upstanding of family men. Other characters display no redeeming traits whatsoever. Bullock's Jean Cabot is depicted as a self-involved rich bitch who is there to speak the unspeakable ???truth' when justifying her fear of black men. She stops just short of calling Daniel a wetback, and eventually undergoes a laughable faux-transformation predicated on her inability to understand that her housekeeper Maria (Yomi Perry) is nice to her because she's paid to be.

    Crash's form also gives the impression that everyone gets equal time in a sort of round-robin of racism, but again, this isn't true. Haggis devotes negligible screen time to most of his female characters (Christine is something of an exception), subtly sending the message that the racism we need to worry about is a man's affair. Graham's partner / lover Ria (Jennifer Esposito) is afforded no fully-developed characterization, but is subject to one of the film's cruelest racial slur / laugh lines. HMO bureaucrat Shaniqua Johnson (Loretta Devine) is similarly placed???a cipher and a target for bigoted macho taunts. Likewise, not all races are given equal time in Crash. While Daniel is the main focus of the third, smaller circle of interactions, paired with an angry Iranian shopkeeper (Shaun Toub) who blames him for the vandalism of his store, Latinos and Persians are generally relegated to afterthought status in this narrative thread. Or worse, their less-than-integrated narrative function bespeaks a racial-quota, show-of-hands presence that falls prey to the worst bean-counting tendencies of identity politics. The simplistic rendering of these characters (Daniel as the vato with the heart of gold, Farhad the shop-owner as misplaced, impotent rage) only underscores this impression.

    Asians fare even worse in Haggis's L.A., as venal background characters and occasions for the deployment of those ever-popular R's-for-L's mispronunciation jabs. Throughout Crash, slurs are bandied about with a tittering, faux-transgressive naughtiness, marking the characters who speak them as insensitive jerks while allowing the audience the luxury of laughing at racial stereotypes with impunity. Basically it's the Howard Stern theory of disavowal??????I know I shouldn't say this, but come on, we all know it's true.' To point to the fact that stereotypes are seldom true is, in this scheme, to mark oneself out as a deluded left-wing prig.

    The falsehoods mount as Crash proceeds. Christine accuses Cameron of ???shucking and jiving??? for the cops, instead of defending her honor like a man. A mother responds to the death of one son by taking the opportunity to upbraid her other son in the meanest, most premeditated fashion. The burning-SUV rescue, with its body contortions and spilled fluids, operates as a kind of vicarious miscegenation, essentially allowing Sgt. Ryan (and, presumably, the audience) the desired and dreaded coupling that his earlier roadside finger-fuck only hinted at. But the lie that serves as Crash's esthetic and political dominant is the one that ensures its success with liberal audiences: the individualist ideology that pretends all races are created equal, and that as individuals we can simply opt out of racism, as though it were a set of ideas and not a set of historically aggregated material structures and institutional practices.

    If the characters in Crash were real people, in the real world instead of Haggis's cordoned-off fantasy L.A., we'd see that they are not equal. Especially in the present atmosphere of backlash against so-called ???political correctness'???an atmosphere Crash exploits to the fullest???people often get huffy when a person of color points out the difference between racism and prejudice, like it's mere sophistry or special pleading. But it's true???only white people in America are able to systematically reproduce the world in accordance with their own racial biases. To actually address this would entail systemic change, well beyond the ken of liberals and their voluntarist cult of the individual. In the middle of the film, Daniel assuages his daughter's fear of gunshots by offering her an ???invisible cloak??? of protection, given to him by a benevolent fairy. Later, in an apparent act of God, father and child are shot at close range and yet they are not harmed. The little girl exclaims to a stunned Daniel, ???It's a really good cloak.??? The same could be said for the privileged liberalism represented by Haggis and Crash . As long as the system is only shooting blanks, you're A-OK.

  • faux_rillzfaux_rillz 14,343 Posts
    racially inexperienced people

    What does this phrase even refer to?

  • noznoz 3,625 Posts
    This Sounds REAL good though:

    http://www.killerofsheep.com/

    the antithesis of crash.
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