HarveyCanal"a distraction from my main thesis." 13,234 Posts
they can, but they mostly aren't and can't possibly be. who do you think is responsible for the millions of rap albums, ring tones, videos, etc, being bought? paul wall and his extended family.
Again, where do you live to not know like the back of your hand that there are millions of Paul Walls out there?
they can, but they mostly aren't and can't possibly be. who do you think is responsible for the millions of rap albums, ring tones, videos, etc, being bought? paul wall and his extended family.
Again, where do you live to not know like the back of your hand that there are millions of Paul Walls out there?
i have said where i live about fifty times on this board. its a major east coast city. who cares. apparently its relevant because, unbeknownst to us northerners, there are literally MILLIONS of Paul Walls running around the south, scooping up hip hop albums by the truckload. thanks.
Photos from the Devin show here in Austin this past Sunday:
THAT'S ONLY THREE PAUL WALLS--YOU SAID THERE WERE MILLIONS!
exactly. seriously though, i think we should end this discussion cause its going nowhere. especially if you thought those photos were somehow related to what i was talking about. im not trying to be condescending, its more likely that i didnt properly explain what i was attempting to argue.
Cipha Sounds played a cut the other night that he introduced as being by Eightball and MJB. .
You mean HYPHY CYPHY*???
*seriously, I heard him refer to himself this way last weekend. I gagged a little
I'm gagging just reading about. Hyphy Cyphy kept insisting that "this record is all me!" when he premiered the Eightball & MJB--you would think he'd get the name of a group that was all him correct.
HarveyCanal"a distraction from my main thesis." 13,234 Posts
Photos from the Devin show here in Austin this past Sunday:
Not sure what those might prove for you, but I thought them as relevant.
HILLBILLIES?????!!!!???????
jesus christ dude.... HILLBILLIES!
1. Ain't no hills in Houston.
2. The "hillbilly" on the right is DJ Domo who has dj'd for the Geto Boys, Scarface and the Coughee Brothers for the longest.
See, clueless fools might look at him and say there's no way that dude is really down with street rap...but that's just part of what makes y'all clueless...and fools.
My only problem is that I still judge rap by the same standards that I did 5 and 10 and 20 years ago.... Lyrical ability and production quality. By default this now makes it difficult to find "new rap" enjoyable. I find "talent" to be more important than "Swagger". More important than "Fashion" and how much crack you've sold or how many times you have been shot, or how much a rapper beleives his own fantasy. If I were 15, this would probably persuade me a lot more, but at 30 I'm only interested in the music, not who's poster would look thweet on my wall.
The above is an embarrassment to the Soulstrut community.
It sounds like something overheard from a 55-year old medical supply salesman at a Baptist church softball game in Indiana.
You've got it all mixed up Dizzy, first you want to quantify, but then you can't quantify. Then you want to qualify with "I'm only interested in the music," when obviously you are quite concerned with the lyrical content.
There are lots of exciting things happening in the new rap right now. New hi-hat patterns, interesting drum sound juxtapositions, aggressive sonic approaches to mixing and mastering. Something exciting is happening at every stage of the game.
Some of the creations are minimalist in rendition.
Remember a few things about that:
1. Some of your favorite 90s hip-hop is minimalist in rendition
2. Minimalist renditions do not inherently imply minimalist approaches.
In other words, unnecessary elements are often taken out of the final mix in order to better suit the lifestyle of the artist & the fans.
What you have a problem with is not so much to do with music, it is more to do with lifestyle choices which you don't understand.
It would be enough to say "I do not enjoy this style of rap music".
As soon as you begin to quantify and qualify, you will lose.
My only problem is that I still judge rap by the same standards that I did 5 and 10 and 20 years ago.... Lyrical ability and production quality. By default this now makes it difficult to find "new rap" enjoyable. I find "talent" to be more important than "Swagger". More important than "Fashion" and how much crack you've sold or how many times you have been shot, or how much a rapper beleives his own fantasy. If I were 15, this would probably persuade me a lot more, but at 30 I'm only interested in the music, not who's poster would look thweet on my wall.
Then you want to qualify with "I'm only interested in the music," when obviously you are quite concerned with the lyrical content.
Where did I say that? You have me confused with guzzo I think. Lyrical ability and lyrical content aren't the same thing. Ghostface could rap about growing carrots and it would probably sound good.
There are lots of exciting things happening in the new rap right now. New hi-hat patterns, interesting drum sound juxtapositions, aggressive sonic approaches to mixing and mastering.
I don't hear this. I don't here anything that hasn't already been done in the 80s. I find triplet hi-hats to be irritating, not interesting, but that is a matter of taste more than anything else. And even if I found that interesting the first 100 times I heard it, it doesn't interest me any more.
Something exciting is happening at every stage of the game.
So why does it feel so boring and repetetive. Either way its a moot point. I can't convince you that its boring, just like you can't convince me that its something to be excited about.
1. Some of your favorite 90s hip-hop is minimalist in rendition
Yep.
2. Minimalist renditions do not inherently imply minimalist approaches.
Don't know what you mean.
What you have a problem with is not so much to do with music, it is more to do with lifestyle choices which you don't understand.
If you think thats what my above post said then you completely misread it. I ONLY care about the MUSIC and LYRICAL ABILITY. Its the fan boy bandwagon bitches that like something because of dude's swagger and diamonds and coke deals. That doesn't mean shit to me because I don't read rap tiger beat. I ONLY JUDGE BASED UPON WHAT I HEAR. Whereas some girls are judging the next hot rapper by how he acts, or whatever. I swear to god I don't even understand the homo-erotic fascination that attracts some of you to your favorite rappers.
It would be enough to say "I do not enjoy this style of rap music".
I've already said that. You are confusing me with somebody else now. I'm pointing only at soulstruts so called fans.
Look, Terry, I have no beef with you, and in fact I like your posts, so I'm dead serious when I say to go back and read what I've written (not anybody else) and take issue with only that. I'd like to hear what you have to say about it.
My only problem is that I still judge rap by the same standards that I did 5 and 10 and 20 years ago.... Lyrical ability and production quality. By default this now makes it difficult to find "new rap" enjoyable. I find "talent" to be more important than "Swagger". More important than "Fashion" and how much crack you've sold or how many times you have been shot, or how much a rapper beleives his own fantasy. If I were 15, this would probably persuade me a lot more, but at 30 I'm only interested in the music, not who's poster would look thweet on my wall.
The above is an embarrassment to the Soulstrut community.
It sounds like something overheard from a 55-year old medical supply salesman at a Baptist church softball game in Indiana.
You've got it all mixed up Dizzy, first you want to quantify, but then you can't quantify. Then you want to qualify with "I'm only interested in the music," when obviously you are quite concerned with the lyrical content.
There are lots of exciting things happening in the new rap right now. New hi-hat patterns, interesting drum sound juxtapositions, aggressive sonic approaches to mixing and mastering. Something exciting is happening at every stage of the game.
Some of the creations are minimalist in rendition.
Remember a few things about that:
1. Some of your favorite 90s hip-hop is minimalist in rendition
2. Minimalist renditions do not inherently imply minimalist approaches.
In other words, unnecessary elements are often taken out of the final mix in order to better suit the lifestyle of the artist & the fans.
What you have a problem with is not so much to do with music, it is more to do with lifestyle choices which you don't understand.
It would be enough to say "I do not enjoy this style of rap music".
As soon as you begin to quantify and qualify, you will lose.
i dont think he has argued that production is any worse. also, anyone who is offended by what he said really needs to check themselves. if your reality is street rap, than his criticism doesnt apply to you, but if its not, what exactly are u defending? nobody is censoring this music, in fact, it sells more than anything else. however are you denying that image hasn't played a major part in sales? sales which are predominately to white people. if this is so, than what exactly is the image that white people are buying and, in my opinion, mocking?
Then you want to qualify with "I'm only interested in the music," when obviously you are quite concerned with the lyrical content.
Where did I say that? You have me confused with guzzo I think. Lyrical ability and lyrical content aren't the same thing. Ghostface could rap about growing carrots and it would probably sound good.
There are lots of exciting things happening in the new rap right now. New hi-hat patterns, interesting drum sound juxtapositions, aggressive sonic approaches to mixing and mastering.
I don't hear this. I don't here anything that hasn't already been done in the 80s. I find triplet hi-hats to be irritating, not interesting, but that is a matter of taste more than anything else. And even if I found that interesting the first 100 times I heard it, it doesn't interest me any more.
I think the problem I have with some of your posts on this topic is the logical leap here: because the sound does not interest you in the least personally, you apply the label of no-talent to it. I know you didn't actually use the phrase "no-talent", but you imply that the merits of the music are so few that what is actually being enjoyed is instead the "Swagger" or the "fashion".
And therefore, your argument goes, this no-talent music has to get by on charisma alone, and that particular type of charisma may appeal to girls in the mall, and to homo-erotic innernet dudes, but does not appeal to you.
The logical leap you're making is that, because you don't personally enjoy the music on its own merits, that no other grown & sexy man in his right mind would either, and that's just not true.
Yes there are some flavor-of-the-season fanboys on Soulstrut, but then there are also a lot of regular old dudes who have pretty eclectic tastes.
I remember when I was young, before I got into jazz, all the jazz I heard sounded like grey noise to me, everything sounded the same.
Homer Simpson: "Jazz... pffft. They just make it up as they go along."
It's easy to be dismissive about something you don't like, but watch what you attach to that!
And I know right now it probably seems far-fetched to you to mention jazz on the same page as Mall Music, but hey, in 1956, the cranky dudes complaining about Hard Bop lowering the discourse of music could never have predicted Miami Bass.
What I am saying now is that, by the year 2012, poor kids somewhere will have created a new style of music that is so astoundingly raw that it will make Snap Music sound elitist and dynamic by comparison.
I think the problem I have with some of your posts on this topic is the logical leap here: because the sound does not interest you in the least personally, you apply the label of no-talent to it. I know you didn't actually use the phrase "no-talent", but you imply that the merits of the music are so few that what is actually being enjoyed is instead the "Swagger" or the "fashion".
I may have said 'no talent'. I can't help but hear a difference. Like, for example, when I hear the Cali Is Active beat, its obvious to me that somebody with skill and experience made that. It sounds good to me. Its not somebody tinkering with a keyboard. Somebody GOOOD made that.
I get my swagger and fashion ideas DIRECTLY from posts I read here. I'd have to dig around through posts but I've read people on here actually say 'such and such song is better because that dude has more swagger'. To which my first instinct is to wonder 'what the fuck???'.
And therefore, your argument goes, this no-talent music has to get by on charisma alone, and that particular type of charisma may appeal to girls in the mall, and to homo-erotic innernet dudes, but does not appeal to you.
Again, I'm not judging music this way, I'm repeating other shit I've read on here.
The logical leap you're making is that, because you don't personally enjoy the music on its own merits, that no other grown & sexy man in his right mind would either, and that's just not true.
Nope. There is a difference between somebody saying "Hey, I like that song a lot" and the posturing of "yeahhh thats that real crack music nigga, that real street shit homey, thats what niggaz in the hood is feeling son". Shit is fake.
Yes there are some flavor-of-the-season fanboys on Soulstrut, but then there are also a lot of regular old dudes who have pretty eclectic tastes.
Its apparent (to me) who these people are. Cosmo is the first person that comes to mind... that dude is only interested in what is going to BANG HARD AS FUCK in a club. As a result my man is making money because he's got the ear for it. I would never accuse cosmo of being some poser fanboy.
I remember when I was young, before I got into jazz, all the jazz I heard sounded like grey noise to me, everything sounded the same.
Yeah... me too....
And I know right now it probably seems far-fetched to you to mention jazz on the same page as Mall Music, but hey, in 1956, the cranky dudes complaining about Hard Bop lowering the discourse of music could never have predicted Miami Bass.
I'll be honest, I think about that kind of shit a lot. Like how much of it is me being an experienced listener with refined taste, and how much is me just being old.
I appreciate that you are actually fleshing out real thoughts and discourse instead of hiding behind one liners.
I'm not the only one that remembers when day was questioning this same kind of shit and people started getting all snippy, and then when EdPowers showed up everybody shut the fuck up and the thread died. It was like "oh shit-- a black dude just walked in the room! shhhh!" I was like "oh- wheres the snappy comments now??' nobody had shit to say I guess, and neither Day nor Ed nor anybody else got an answer to their question.....
Nope. There is a difference between somebody saying "Hey, I like that song a lot" and the posturing of "yeahhh thats that real crack music nigga, that real street shit homey, thats what niggaz in the hood is feeling son". Shit is fake.
I have never seen anyone post like this on the site.
Nope. There is a difference between somebody saying "Hey, I like that song a lot" and the posturing of "yeahhh thats that real crack music nigga, that real street shit homey, thats what niggaz in the hood is feeling son". Shit is fake.
I have never seen anyone post like this on the site.
Nope. There is a difference between somebody saying "Hey, I like that song a lot" and the posturing of "yeahhh thats that real crack music nigga, that real street shit homey, thats what niggaz in the hood is feeling son". Shit is fake.
I have never seen anyone post like this on the site.
Most of DizzyBull's and keithvanhorn's contributions to this thread have involved swinging at people that live inside their heads.
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Again, where do you live to not know like the back of your hand that there are millions of Paul Walls out there?
i have said where i live about fifty times on this board. its a major east coast city. who cares. apparently its relevant because, unbeknownst to us northerners, there are literally MILLIONS of Paul Walls running around the south, scooping up hip hop albums by the truckload. thanks.
They should post on SoulStrut.
Not sure what those might prove for you, but I thought them as relevant.
I've heard a couple of songs, which sounded pretty good.
Cipha Sounds played a cut the other night that he introduced as being by Eightball and MJB.
Hopefully Diddy finds a way to get them on the radio.
THAT'S ONLY THREE PAUL WALLS--YOU SAID THERE WERE MILLIONS!
You mean HYPHY CYPHY*???
*seriously, I heard him refer to himself this way last weekend. I gagged a little
exactly. seriously though, i think we should end this discussion cause its going nowhere. especially if you thought those photos were somehow related to what i was talking about. im not trying to be condescending, its more likely that i didnt properly explain what i was attempting to argue.
I'm gagging just reading about. Hyphy Cyphy kept insisting that "this record is all me!" when he premiered the Eightball & MJB--you would think he'd get the name of a group that was all him correct.
No, I think it was supposed to at one point, but is now slated for late Sept.
HILLBILLIES?????!!!!???????
jesus christ dude.... HILLBILLIES!
1. Ain't no hills in Houston.
2. The "hillbilly" on the right is DJ Domo who has dj'd for the Geto Boys, Scarface and the Coughee Brothers for the longest.
See, clueless fools might look at him and say there's no way that dude is really down with street rap...but that's just part of what makes y'all clueless...and fools.
The above is an embarrassment to the Soulstrut community.
It sounds like something overheard from a 55-year old medical
supply salesman at a Baptist church softball game in Indiana.
You've got it all mixed up Dizzy, first you want to quantify, but
then you can't quantify. Then you want to qualify with "I'm only
interested in the music," when obviously you are quite concerned
with the lyrical content.
There are lots of exciting things happening in the new rap right now.
New hi-hat patterns, interesting drum sound juxtapositions, aggressive
sonic approaches to mixing and mastering. Something exciting is happening
at every stage of the game.
Some of the creations are minimalist in rendition.
Remember a few things about that:
1. Some of your favorite 90s hip-hop is minimalist in rendition
2. Minimalist renditions do not inherently imply minimalist approaches.
In other words, unnecessary elements are often taken out of the final
mix in order to better suit the lifestyle of the artist & the fans.
What you have a problem with is not so much to do with music, it is
more to do with lifestyle choices which you don't understand.
It would be enough to say "I do not enjoy this style of rap music".
As soon as you begin to quantify and qualify, you will lose.
I'll be the first to admit that hillbillies terrify me.
I've seen movies. I know what happens.
Where did I say that? You have me confused with guzzo I think. Lyrical ability and lyrical content aren't the same thing. Ghostface could rap about growing carrots and it would probably sound good.
I don't hear this. I don't here anything that hasn't already been done in the 80s. I find triplet hi-hats to be irritating, not interesting, but that is a matter of taste more than anything else. And even if I found that interesting the first 100 times I heard it, it doesn't interest me any more.
So why does it feel so boring and repetetive. Either way its a moot point. I can't convince you that its boring, just like you can't convince me that its something to be excited about.
Yep.
Don't know what you mean.
If you think thats what my above post said then you completely misread it. I ONLY care about the MUSIC and LYRICAL ABILITY. Its the fan boy bandwagon bitches that like something because of dude's swagger and diamonds and coke deals. That doesn't mean shit to me because I don't read rap tiger beat. I ONLY JUDGE BASED UPON WHAT I HEAR. Whereas some girls are judging the next hot rapper by how he acts, or whatever. I swear to god I don't even understand the homo-erotic fascination that attracts some of you to your favorite rappers.
I've already said that. You are confusing me with somebody else now. I'm pointing only at soulstruts so called fans.
Look, Terry, I have no beef with you, and in fact I like your posts, so I'm dead serious when I say to go back and read what I've written (not anybody else) and take issue with only that. I'd like to hear what you have to say about it.
i dont think he has argued that production is any worse. also, anyone who is offended by what he said really needs to check themselves. if your reality is street rap, than his criticism doesnt apply to you, but if its not, what exactly are u defending? nobody is censoring this music, in fact, it sells more than anything else. however are you denying that image hasn't played a major part in sales? sales which are predominately to white people. if this is so, than what exactly is the image that white people are buying and, in my opinion, mocking?
I think the problem I have with some of your posts on this topic is
the logical leap here: because the sound does not interest you in
the least personally, you apply the label of no-talent to it.
I know you didn't actually use the phrase "no-talent", but you imply
that the merits of the music are so few that what is actually being
enjoyed is instead the "Swagger" or the "fashion".
And therefore, your argument goes, this no-talent music has to get
by on charisma alone, and that particular type of charisma may appeal
to girls in the mall, and to homo-erotic innernet dudes, but does not
appeal to you.
The logical leap you're making is that, because you don't personally
enjoy the music on its own merits, that no other grown & sexy man in
his right mind would either, and that's just not true.
Yes there are some flavor-of-the-season fanboys on Soulstrut, but
then there are also a lot of regular old dudes who have pretty
eclectic tastes.
I remember when I was young, before I got into jazz, all the jazz I
heard sounded like grey noise to me, everything sounded the same.
Homer Simpson: "Jazz... pffft. They just make it up as they go along."
It's easy to be dismissive about something you don't like, but watch
what you attach to that!
And I know right now it probably seems far-fetched to you to mention
jazz on the same page as Mall Music, but hey, in 1956, the cranky dudes
complaining about Hard Bop lowering the discourse of music
could never have predicted Miami Bass.
What I am saying now is that, by the year 2012, poor kids somewhere
will have created a new style of music that is so astoundingly raw
that it will make Snap Music sound elitist and dynamic by comparison.
I get my swagger and fashion ideas DIRECTLY from posts I read here. I'd have to dig around through posts but I've read people on here actually say 'such and such song is better because that dude has more swagger'. To which my first instinct is to wonder 'what the fuck???'.
Again, I'm not judging music this way, I'm repeating other shit I've read on here.
Nope. There is a difference between somebody saying "Hey, I like that song a lot" and the posturing of "yeahhh thats that real crack music nigga, that real street shit homey, thats what niggaz in the hood is feeling son". Shit is fake.
Its apparent (to me) who these people are. Cosmo is the first person that comes to mind... that dude is only interested in what is going to BANG HARD AS FUCK in a club. As a result my man is making money because he's got the ear for it. I would never accuse cosmo of being some poser fanboy.
Yeah... me too....
I'll be honest, I think about that kind of shit a lot. Like how much of it is me being an experienced listener with refined taste, and how much is me just being old.
I appreciate that you are actually fleshing out real thoughts and discourse instead of hiding behind one liners.
I'm not the only one that remembers when day was questioning this same kind of shit and people started getting all snippy, and then when EdPowers showed up everybody shut the fuck up and the thread died. It was like "oh shit-- a black dude just walked in the room! shhhh!" I was like "oh- wheres the snappy comments now??' nobody had shit to say I guess, and neither Day nor Ed nor anybody else got an answer to their question.....
Interpolation.
Most of DizzyBull's and keithvanhorn's contributions to this thread have involved swinging at people that live inside their heads.