the question was not why did RAP die... it was why did HIP HOP die. this is a question about genre. rock and roll is dead. jazz is dead. if you don't beleive this you are kidding yourself.
true. story.
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Just for the record...I don't think hip-hop is even remotely close to death.
This thread sucks, moreso because faux rillz is disappointingly wrong : ( hip-hop will not live forever any more than jazz or rock did. But people moaning lazily about how wack rap is should really stop talking about rap.
Also, No Way Out is a great album and if you can't see it you hate fun.
It's a Hell Up in Harlem, fuckit, another day another dollar wake up, to the barking from the Rottweilers Pull the collars, make em sit for the Godfather Then I holler, to Justin my son, run the water for the shower, trust fund scholarship sure to give him power Babymommacall, shepickhimup, in about an hour Now I'm free to go, free to blow, with the calicos and the navajos, it's just the way this player knows anythinggoes, finally caught up with my nigga Sam Sam Picked me up, in the tan Lex Land Wanted breakfast down at Pan Pan's, what's your favorite dish? He ordered cheese eggs and grits, I had the swordfish What is this? Three niggaz dressed in black Roleys on they wrist, feathers in they hat One tapped me on my back, then pointed at my stack Put my finger on the trigger then I asked him, "Whatchu want nigga?"
of course there are still good items that come out in the genres of rock, jazz and hip hop but that is not the point. the point is that genres die inasmuch as they stop advancing and stop being valid and viable art forms in regards to contemporary culture.
and do i really need to explain the difference between rap and hip hop?
if you think i am going to sit here an argue about hip hop on a message board all day you must be kidding. fuck this. it's 80 and sunny. i'm going to set my employee to work on posting some dead ass jazz records and go to the fucking beach. fuck this shit.
This thread sucks, moreso because faux rillz is disappointingly wrong : ( hip-hop will not live forever any more than jazz or rock did. But people moaning lazily about how wack rap is should really stop talking about rap.
Edit your post, deej--I am never wrong.
What I am saying is that rap as a mode of delivery has now expanded beyond the type of genre constraints that people in this thread keep pointing to, and I think it's about as likely that people will stop rapping as it is that they will stop singing.
Of course, it's very likely that all viable forms of it will not be recognizable as "hip-hop" to the type of little dude that posts on SoulStrut.
At this point, hip-hop/rap is essentially Black music with a rhythmic spoken delivery, as opposed to a sung one--there are so many variations, that more precise definitions are impossible.
Certain variations will pass in and out of style or will exhaust their creative possibilities, but why is it inevitable that such a broad form would ever die?
Is "singing" going to die?
You dudes kill me.
Yes.
Could deej point to the dates when Rock and (especially) Jazz died?
Well, for those of you who think NYC = 'hip hop' I guess I understand why you'd think it was 'dead'... NYC never recovered from the jiggy/underground split of the late 90s
hip-hop isn't dead, its an evolving artform, theres still people bringing it properly, dilla, stonesthrow, in my town there is a fairly decent hip-hop scene with talented folks involved(and no i am not talking atmosphere) there has always been shit out there and there always will be, as there will always be gems, as for sampling laws, fuck them, atleast if your working on an independant level or smaller. you are way under the radar unless you are pushing like 100,000 units on the regular
That is contradictory with your statement regarding cultural relevence[sic] because the late 90s neo-swing movement actually put jazz back into the mainstream.
When I started listening to hip hop music in the mid 80???s there were so good they made me want to jump around the room. Today over 25 years latter there are still hip hop records being released that make me want to jump around the room.
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true. story.
Also, No Way Out is a great album and if you can't see it you hate fun.
It's a Hell Up in Harlem, fuckit, another day another dollar
wake up, to the barking from the Rottweilers
Pull the collars, make em sit for the Godfather
Then I holler, to Justin my son, run the water
for the shower, trust fund scholarship sure to give him power
Babymommacall, shepickhimup, in about an hour
Now I'm free to go, free to blow, with the calicos
and the navajos, it's just the way this player knows
anythinggoes, finally caught up with my nigga Sam Sam
Picked me up, in the tan Lex Land
Wanted breakfast down at Pan Pan's, what's your favorite dish?
He ordered cheese eggs and grits, I had the swordfish
What is this? Three niggaz dressed in black
Roleys on they wrist, feathers in they hat
One tapped me on my back, then pointed at my stack
Put my finger on the trigger
then I asked him, "Whatchu want nigga?"
and do i really need to explain the difference between rap and hip hop?
if you think i am going to sit here an argue about hip hop on a message board all day you must be kidding. fuck this. it's 80 and sunny. i'm going to set my employee to work on posting some dead ass jazz records and go to the fucking beach. fuck this shit.
Edit your post, deej--I am never wrong.
What I am saying is that rap as a mode of delivery has now expanded beyond the type of genre constraints that people in this thread keep pointing to, and I think it's about as likely that people will stop rapping as it is that they will stop singing.
Of course, it's very likely that all viable forms of it will not be recognizable as "hip-hop" to the type of little dude that posts on SoulStrut.
The fact that you'd even ask that question pretty much demonstrates that you don't have anything meaningful to contribute to this discussion.
But go ahead--I could use a laugh.
I think those people just got old and boring.
Hip hop is doing fine.
Yes.
Could deej point to the dates when Rock and (especially) Jazz died?
So I can go home and adjust my collection.
Thank you.
R&B has quite a shelf life but I think that more has to do with it being defined as 'black people singing' than soul being any kind of genre-eternal.
There are dudes in the south who are killing the mic. People who say rap is dead are not listening hard enough.
I asked for dates. Not vague notions like "supreme reduction".
If you cannot support your assertions with data, we will have to assume you are wrong.
This sounds like NGE jargon...
saddest statement in this thread.
spoken from one of those people...
Well, for those of you who think NYC = 'hip hop' I guess I understand why you'd think it was 'dead'... NYC never recovered from the jiggy/underground split of the late 90s
I didn't say the split was ongoing, I said they never recovered from it
Please continue this discussion. I'll go drink some beers now and I need an entertaining read when I get home.
That is contradictory with your statement regarding cultural relevence[sic] because the late 90s neo-swing movement actually put jazz back into the mainstream.
You need to get shit straight, son.
I'm gonna look this up after I take a dump. Hold on....
When I started listening to hip hop music in the mid 80???s there were so good they made me want to jump around the room.
Today over 25 years latter there are still hip hop records being released that make me want to jump around the room.