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Civil War 150th Anniversary
http://www.balloon-juice.com/2011/04/13/and-the-war-came/#more-66093
The right side won. It's good when that happens.
The right side won. It's good when that happens.
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http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2011/04/09/2210138/southern-cannons-aiming-at-fort.html#ixzz1JPN5XpP8
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
It is beyond repulsive that a bunch of murderous traitors are in the business of celebrating southern history by flying the rebel flag and commemorating rebel soldiers in any manner.
And remembering it is no guarantee that you won't repeat it anyway.
I'm not sure the war ever ended.
Dude. Traitors?
That sounds really ignorant. Regular folks were enlisted and killed by the tens of thousands on both sides.
So the millions of Yankees that have moved down South in the last 30 years are just infiltrating??
Are you kidding? These "regular" folks sought to violently overthrow the gov't of the United States of America. That is treason. You maybe not be aware that you can get the death penalty for treason. Just in case your are unfamiliar with the definitions of treason and traitor.
trai??tor
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a person who betrays another, a cause, or any trust.
2.
a person who commits treason by betraying his or her country.
Again, that sounds ignorant.
I've got a history degree. I've studied the civil war.
A majority of the "rebel" soldiers on the ground dying each day were poor, uneducated people
who were drafted into a war they barely understood.
Read some books about it.
Plaese be serious.
Not to mention that many were forced to fight and had no clear idea what the war was about. The average person could barely read back then.
It's possible to hate the Confederacy and still mourn the fact that a staggering number of people were killed
Losers = Traitors
I understood this quote to mean that people who celebrate the confederacy are traitors.
If you live in the USA, and you celebrate a country that tried to violently overthrow the USA, you are a traitor. IMO.
The argument that the Confederate army was just a bunch of dumb hillbillys who didn't know what they were doing doesn't fly.
If you want to argue that Confederate pride was misplaced and the death of soldiers is sad, fine.
That was actually the whole shebang in a nutshell...states rights versus federal mandates.
And as I've mentioned on this site before, Dixie and its flag represented far more than just an endorsement of slavery.
Nobody here said they were dumb.
What's your take? That they were all educated, politically astute and bound by singular vision?
I was a history major too. So I have read up on my read ups. You can slice and dice it any way you want. The vast majority of southerners supported the war against the union, including most of those who fought in it. Simply put that was treason. You may wish to see them as ignorant pawns in a game but you would be totally misrepresenting the truth just like that museum which failed to accurately portray the results of the war was doing.
Forgot this one in my previous post.
trea??son
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1.
the offense of acting to overthrow one's government or to harm or kill its sovereign.
2.
a violation of allegiance to one's sovereign or to one's state.
3.
the betrayal of a trust or confidence; breach of faith; treachery.
As the good DR said:
"The vast majority of southerners supported the war against the union, including most of those who fought in it. Simply put that was treason. You may wish to see them as ignorant pawns in a game but you would be totally misrepresenting the truth"
And that is why the Civil War began...Secession by the South.
True. Since the use and display of the Confederate battle flag saw a huge revival as a response to the Civil Rights movement it also represents murdering civil rights workers and setting dogs on peaceful protestors and bombing churches with little girls in them.
Far, far more.
"Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner- stone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery subordination to the superior race is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth. This truth has been slow in the process of its development, like all other truths in the various departments of science. It has been so even amongst us. Many who hear me, perhaps, can recollect well, that this truth was not generally admitted, even within their day. The errors of the past generation still clung to many as late as twenty years ago. Those at the North, who still cling to these errors, with a zeal above knowledge, we justly denominate fanatics. All fanaticism springs from an aberration of the mind from a defect in reasoning. It is a species of insanity. One of the most striking characteristics of insanity, in many instances, is forming correct conclusions from fancied or erroneous premises; so with the anti-slavery fanatics. Their conclusions are right if their premises were. They assume that the negro is equal, and hence conclude that he is entitled to equal privileges and rights with the white man. If their premises were correct, their conclusions would be logical and just but their premise being wrong, their whole argument fails. I recollect once of having heard a gentleman from one of the northern States, of great power and ability, announce in the House of Representatives, with imposing effect, that we of the South would be compelled, ultimately, to yield upon this subject of slavery, that it was as impossible to war successfully against a principle in politics, as it was in physics or mechanics. That the principle would ultimately prevail. That we, in maintaining slavery as it exists with us, were warring against a principle, a principle founded in nature, the principle of the equality of men. The reply I made to him was, that upon his own grounds, we should, ultimately, succeed, and that he and his associates, in this crusade against our institutions, would ultimately fail. The truth announced, that it was as impossible to war successfully against a principle in politics as it was in physics and mechanics, I admitted; but told him that it was he, and those acting with him, who were warring against a principle. They were attempting to make things equal which the Creator had made unequal. " - Alexander Stephens, the Vice President of the Confederacy, telling the truth about his American Reich.
http://teachingamericanhistory.org/library/index.asp?documentprint=76
You chest-beating Yankees obviously have an inferiority complex when it comes to the South.
But yes, the Ole Miss football team = pure evil.
Only the ones that are still stuck up there.
IMO, it was not the other way around.
Let's be clear and honest.
You are talking about slavery. Nothing else. So say it.
United States government choosing to intefere with the slavery laws of states
That was actually the whole shebang in a nutshell...slavery versus freedom,.
If you want to argue that the states should have the right to enslave humans, then say it.
Dixie, the American South, is a great place. The confederate flag is a poor way to represent the South.
http://us.history.wisc.edu/hist102/pdocs/anderson_letter.pdf
:oh_snap:
I dunno...seems like the Southerners are the ones still mad about it, considering that they still harbor a grudge about it ("The War of Northern Aggression?" Really?). Most "Yanks" (including myself) don't really care about it to anywhere near that extent.
I said many, not most, and if you think all of the 250,000+ soldiers who were killed all have the same story the it's you who is doing the misrepresenting.
Wow. Just wow.
Like Harv, I'm from and live in the south, (well, texas gets a pass here) and I really shouldn't be suprised
y'all think this way, but my man, history refutes you here. Slavery was far from the only reason for the civil war, and
was only brought up as the main reason by politicians when things the death toll rose to staggering numbers
and popular support was wavering.