So he wants a refund...
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I recntly sold this 45 for $67 plus I believe 5 shipping to the U.K for a total of 72...I think that's how much it was. Oh well. When I listened to the 45 it played perfect even though it had these 2 light glue marks. He is saying the record is in NM condition and I stated NM+. He wants 20 dollars back even though this 45 consistently sells for more than 60 in NM and better. I told him to just send it back, is that a good choice. 
PLUS: He got to use the PAYPAL coupon back when it was still usable. So he payed 62 shipped.
PLUS: He got to use the PAYPAL coupon back when it was still usable. So he payed 62 shipped.
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seriously. i can only imagine the difference between nm & nm+ being one 1/16" superficial surface mark not affecting play.
just say no to refunds.
He says it makes a small click. I played this 45 a few times like 5 times and it made no click whatsoever. He wants 20 for a "click".
If I play a NM record 5 times, I lower the grade to EX. To me NM is not for records that get played like that.
A click can be caused by many things. A record may well play differently on different systems.
The question is how serious are you about being a seller? Just looking to make a quick buck on ebay, screw him. Want to build a client base of serious collectors? Do the right thing.
What is NM+? Is it below M?
Dan
Huh, I never heard of that criteria before. If the record still looks NM and sounds NM after 5 plays or 50 plays for that matter, why downgrade it?
Were the puns funny at least? And is it necessary to ban him from ALL my actions? Ayo!
YAAAYYYYY
And the puns were not funny, they were pathetic and scary.
I think I actually ayo-ed myself, so don't pop the champagne just yet.
exactly.
Hoh!
He can send the record back and get his money back... Don't give a partial refund if you don't feel like it!
Speaking of grading records, UK dealers usually are crap at this.. Ex this and that ... Beware!
Yes and yes. NM+ sounds like mint to me, and the nicest a rackord can possibly be after leaving the plant is NEAR mint because its already less than once its out in the world
by the time you're in "vg+" territory, you have one of the most wasted records in existence.
it's a slipperly slope.
on the otherhand; sometimes people have unrealistic expectations of records as a medium in general, let alone cheapy private issues.
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yeah, I agree. only thing above NM is a sealed record. Which is will sometimes be NM- when opened.
Excellent is a very broad grade for a lot of dealers. I have gotten what I'd call VG/VG+ records marked "E" or "E-"... If it has more than several light marks, I knock it down to VG+. "Excellent" should mean what it says... For me there's NM (spotless), E (couple light imperfections), VG+ (used but strong condition), VG (used but OK), VG- (messy, but should be minimally acceptible), and on down. I tend to use G and "poor"/"used" for things that are completely smashed.
I don't believe in VG++(+++) either
Remove the E from your scale and bump everything else up a notch - thats what we're working on here
I think dudes who buy records off the store I work at on ebay are probably pleasantly surprised about the condition
I think you're in a dangerous territory when you get start coming up with grades like "NM +". If I see a seller offering stuff graded like that, I just stay away. A NM record should play without a flaw. The buyer should try giving the 45 a good cleaning - maybe there's a piece of dust lodged in the groove?
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in my experience the only thing you should grade as mint is a sealed record (though that doesnt mean it aint warped or damaged upon opening)
a NM record should appear UNPLAYED
if you played it five times to check it and it has a bit of glue stain on it i'd call that VG+ with the caveat that it appears unplayed, but you;ve played it through to test it.
i think the more conservatively you grade the less likely people are to complain.
The best grade I EVER give a record is NM- unless it's sealed with perfect shrink/no cover flaws, etc.
Bidding on records with nonstandard grading IMO is unwise.
Ebay is a crapshoot, so if you don't want complications stick to the standards.
Haha no worries... Most people that use VG++ use it to describe what I call "Ex". It's all the same shit...
I try to be conservative in grading. Sometimes when I grade stuff that's not expected to fetch crazy prices, I can make a mistake and feel very bad when one does go sky high and turns out to be in less condition when I play it to check why it got a crazy price. In such a case I will tell the buyer before sending and mostly they still want it and I throw in an extra or refund a part. I know I should grade rare and less rare records equally, but there can be a hurry or temporal lack of interest.
As a buyer I stay away from sellers that are dubious on gradings. Especially records that have no scratches but are worn out (spindle wear, noise) being sold as ex or better, I hate that. I don't argue about it mostly and take the loss but I just lose interest in that seller's records.
Okay, once in a while I get so excited about a record that's unique, I wish so hard it's perfect and unconsiously miss defects while grading and maybe I'm guilty and subconsciously I rip people off. That happens maybe once a year and I should see somebody about that because I can wake up in sweat years after it.