2.57pm: Sir Menzies Campbell, the former Lib Dem leader, is responding to the Cameron offer on the BBC. He is not impressed. On the plan for an all-party committee of inquiry on electoral reform, Campbell said: "We have been round this course before." (He was referring to the Jenkins Comission.)
As long as they don't involve Europe, Nuclear power or immigration.
Or Proportional Representation.
I would have thought the Lib Dems natural enemy was dem Blues, but it's like Labour has got AIDS and halitosis. Brown to claim squatters rights.
I can see a spin here:
"Disabled (one eye, right?) jobless man ousted from home by old Etonian".
Ha! It seems to me the fear of getting tainted by all this is part of the reason the Libs are skirting the issue along with the fear that it will all collapse quickly. I also think Clegg may be a little bit further to the right than the old members of the party (but that's the same for Labour of course and vice versa for the Tories).
Duder, nope, I stuck to my values of not wanting to walk 30 minutes after i got off the train so didn't vote. However, we are in a massive Lib Dem stronghold (good old Bob's got around 50% of the vote since the nineties) and have a well established coalition council (lib dem led) so guilt levels are low.*
*Though I did have a panic this morning and checked first thing just in case
If this guy wasn't a tremendous pile of steaming manure, he'd realise the best thing for the Labour party and for the country would be to step down, and allow the Lid Dems to form a coalition with a new Labour cabinet.
I've always been fascinated with the stereotype that some Americans hold that Lib Dems are the educated, intelligent and intellectually superior group while Conservatives are ignorant, uneducated and intellectually inferior dolts.
I'm not sure that it does - I think the electorate (& press) here are too involved with the nuances of policy to make objective judgments on the politicians as individuals, but those stereotypes kind of bear out in that (I suppose) in any society, the intellectuals will be in the minority. Not sure if the Lib Dems have exactly been selling themselves on that front, but it appeals to my own reasons for supporting them.
I'm not sure that it does - I think the electorate (& press) here are too involved with the nuances of policy to make objective judgments on the politicians as individuals, but those stereotypes kind of bear out in that (I suppose) in any society, the intellectuals will be in the minority. Not sure if the Lib Dems have exactly been selling themselves on that front, but it appeals to my own reasons for supporting them.
I'm talking more about the voters than the candidates themselves.
I'm not sure that it does - I think the electorate (& press) here are too involved with the nuances of policy to make objective judgments on the politicians as individuals, but those stereotypes kind of bear out in that (I suppose) in any society, the intellectuals will be in the minority. Not sure if the Lib Dems have exactly been selling themselves on that front, but it appeals to my own reasons for supporting them.
Rock doesn't want nuance, he wants you to distill his world view for him.
Lib Dems don't really exist, they are just the ghost of the SDP. The SDP was the luvvy wing of Labour that split off in the early 80s. Therefore, Labour and LibDems distrust each other more than they do the Tories.
Tory = [email]w@nker[/email] Labour = turd way Lib Dem = volkswagen polo.
I've always been fascinated with the stereotype that some Americans hold that Lib Dems are the educated, intelligent and intellectually superior group while Conservatives are ignorant, uneducated and intellectually inferior dolts.
Does this stereotype exist in the UK as well??
The Conservatives (or members of their party) are usually ignorant but well-educated. Their families can afford good schools, see? But stereotypically, if you don't have money and you vote for them, this definitely makes you ignorant, uneducated and intellectually inferior. They are pretty 80's-Republican in their outlook, despite what they tell you.
Labour aren't perfect of course but in short, the lesser of the evils, as far as I am concerned. Whatever shit kicked off under their watch, they have actually helped the less-well-off, which is where I hail from.
I'm not sure that it does - I think the electorate (& press) here are too involved with the nuances of policy to make objective judgments on the politicians as individuals, but those stereotypes kind of bear out in that (I suppose) in any society, the intellectuals will be in the minority. Not sure if the Lib Dems have exactly been selling themselves on that front, but it appeals to my own reasons for supporting them.
I'm talking more about the voters than the candidates themselves.
Well again, I'd have to agree with this stereotype then
Tory voters are stereotyped as being rich (as Tory policy usually follows 'trickle-down' economic theory, although the party is also known for outright thievery and embezzelment), and/or selfish (aspirations of personal rather than societal enrichment). Intelligence doesn't really come into the equation, as I know some fairly smart people that are still capable of holding (what seem to me at least) very stupid ethical ideals.
I'm not sure that it does - I think the electorate (& press) here are too involved with the nuances of policy to make objective judgments on the politicians as individuals, but those stereotypes kind of bear out in that (I suppose) in any society, the intellectuals will be in the minority. Not sure if the Lib Dems have exactly been selling themselves on that front, but it appeals to my own reasons for supporting them.
Rock doesn't want nuance, he wants you to distill his world view for him.
Lib Dems don't really exist, they are just the ghost of the SDP. The SDP was the luvvy wing of Labour that split off in the early 80s. Therefore, Labour and LibDems distrust each other more than they do the Tories.
Tory = [Email]w@nker[/Email] Labour = turd way Lib Dem = volkswagen polo.
Nuance is a nice way of saying I'm not going to directly answer the question.
I'm not sure how I could exist here if it wasn't for those kind folks who translate to the SS masses what I really mean/say/want.
But stereotypically, if you don't have money and you vote for them, this definitely makes you ignorant, uneducated and intellectually inferior. They are pretty 80's-Republican in their outlook, despite what they tell you.
I've always been fascinated with the stereotype that some Americans hold that Lib Dems are the educated, intelligent and intellectually superior group while Conservatives are ignorant, uneducated and intellectually inferior dolts.
Does this stereotype exist in the UK as well??
The Politicians;
Conservatives are generally very well educated posh boys. It's as much a stereotype as it is a truism.
The Lib Dems are stereotyped as a bit namby pamby, lefty fence sitters.
I don't think either is thought of as particularly intellectually superior.
The Voters;
People who vote Con. are similar to Republicans. Only less so. Plus there're the blue bloods who always vote Con. I guess you don't really have those in America.
Lib Dem voters are stereotyped as namby pamby, lefty fence sitters. But they could probably also be stereotyped as; thoughtful, progressive, educated, moderately successful, mostly middle class.
Wow, never knew the English system was SO unfavorable for the Libs.
Conservatives got 36 % (10,681,417) of the total votes and got about 47 % (305) of the seats. Labour got 29 % (8,601,441) of the total votes and got about 40 % (258) of the seats. Liberal Democrats got 23 % (6,805,665) of the total votes and got about 11%(57) of the seats.[/b]
If the seats would solely be based on the total vote: Conservatives: 234 instead of 305 Labour: 189 instead of 258 Liberal Democrats: 150 instead of 57
Gordon Brown: "For my part i should make it clear that i would be willing to meet any of the party leaders"
Haha, Fuck off.
guys, guys... please remember me... guys? ill talk to anyone... any one...
So poms, whats it gonna be, The Conservative Democrats or the Liberal Conservatives?
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I'm hearing via the grapevine that a deal has been done between the Tories and Lib Dems that doesn't involve any commitment to proportional representation. Which begs the question; where is your "change" now?
Also waiting in the wings, Boris Johnson, who's just made himself look like a serious politician by buying out Bechtel and Ferrovial, and collapsing the PPP deal to upgrade the tube network at a cost of 310 million bones. Looks like a power move to me.
Which begs the question; where is your "change" now?
Thankfully Gordon looks out of the way now. In 2010 we don't need an unlucky general / an inept loser running the place. And a number of the real arsehole cunts who besmirched the labour party these last few years are gone too. Yes Jacqui Smith, looking at you. Thank you voters for that. This is the kind of change that was needed. And maybe a tory govt reined-in by the Libs will be, you know, surprisingly effective.
Hopefully GB can now go and concentrate on his charity and academic work, cos he's not a bad person, just incredibly unsuited to leadership.
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Can you imagine Barry O having to say that name?
Make it so.
SWEET REASON!
As in, if you didn't, and the Tories win, I'm looking for scapegoats
Ha! It seems to me the fear of getting tainted by all this is part of the reason the Libs are skirting the issue along with the fear that it will all collapse quickly. I also think Clegg may be a little bit further to the right than the old members of the party (but that's the same for Labour of course and vice versa for the Tories).
Duder, nope, I stuck to my values of not wanting to walk 30 minutes after i got off the train so didn't vote. However, we are in a massive Lib Dem stronghold (good old Bob's got around 50% of the vote since the nineties) and have a well established coalition council (lib dem led) so guilt levels are low.*
*Though I did have a panic this morning and checked first thing just in case
Thank god for Scotland is all I can say.
If this guy wasn't a tremendous pile of steaming manure, he'd realise the best thing for the Labour party and for the country would be to step down, and allow the Lid Dems to form a coalition with a new Labour cabinet.
edit - imho.
Does this stereotype exist in the UK as well??
I'm not sure that it does - I think the electorate (& press) here are too involved with the nuances of policy to make objective judgments on the politicians as individuals, but those stereotypes kind of bear out in that (I suppose) in any society, the intellectuals will be in the minority. Not sure if the Lib Dems have exactly been selling themselves on that front, but it appeals to my own reasons for supporting them.
I'm talking more about the voters than the candidates themselves.
Rock doesn't want nuance, he wants you to distill his world view for him.
Lib Dems don't really exist, they are just the ghost of the SDP. The SDP was the luvvy wing of Labour that split off in the early 80s. Therefore, Labour and LibDems distrust each other more than they do the Tories.
Tory = [email]w@nker[/email]
Labour = turd way
Lib Dem = volkswagen polo.
The Conservatives (or members of their party) are usually ignorant but well-educated. Their families can afford good schools, see? But stereotypically, if you don't have money and you vote for them, this definitely makes you ignorant, uneducated and intellectually inferior. They are pretty 80's-Republican in their outlook, despite what they tell you.
Labour aren't perfect of course but in short, the lesser of the evils, as far as I am concerned. Whatever shit kicked off under their watch, they have actually helped the less-well-off, which is where I hail from.
Well again, I'd have to agree with this stereotype then
Tory voters are stereotyped as being rich (as Tory policy usually follows 'trickle-down' economic theory, although the party is also known for outright thievery and embezzelment), and/or selfish (aspirations of personal rather than societal enrichment). Intelligence doesn't really come into the equation, as I know some fairly smart people that are still capable of holding (what seem to me at least) very stupid ethical ideals.
Nuance is a nice way of saying I'm not going to directly answer the question.
I'm not sure how I could exist here if it wasn't for those kind folks who translate to the SS masses what I really mean/say/want.
This.
The Politicians;
Conservatives are generally very well educated posh boys. It's as much a stereotype as it is a truism.
The Lib Dems are stereotyped as a bit namby pamby, lefty fence sitters.
I don't think either is thought of as particularly intellectually superior.
The Voters;
People who vote Con. are similar to Republicans. Only less so. Plus there're the blue bloods who always vote Con. I guess you don't really have those in America.
Lib Dem voters are stereotyped as namby pamby, lefty fence sitters. But they could probably also be stereotyped as; thoughtful, progressive, educated, moderately successful, mostly middle class.
Labour were the bleeding heart socialists.
Liberals were the "why can't well all get along" limp wristers.
It's worth noting though that these days all three parties policies are situated left of the American Democrats. IMO.
I've just got to say that my wrist is far from limp. Years and years of practice have seen to that.
Liberal supporter: give me the angus w/ blue cheese and a lightly tossed side salad
Conservative: just wipe its arse and put it on the plate.
AMY WINEHOUSE. YES OR NO?
No.
Yay for the fun it would bring to PMQs
B/w
Surely Liberals would plump for the spicy beanburger?
Winehouse?
Nay. Ignoring that she's looked ravaged from drug/alcohol abuse, I find her speaking voice very irritating. Still think she's a great singer though.
Conservatives got 36 % (10,681,417) of the total votes and got about 47 % (305) of the seats.
Labour got 29 % (8,601,441) of the total votes and got about 40 % (258) of the seats.
Liberal Democrats got 23 % (6,805,665) of the total votes and got about 11%(57) of the seats.[/b]
If the seats would solely be based on the total vote:
Conservatives: 234 instead of 305
Labour: 189 instead of 258
Liberal Democrats: 150 instead of 57
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Haha, Fuck off.
guys, guys... please remember me... guys? ill talk to anyone... any one...
So poms, whats it gonna be, The Conservative Democrats or the Liberal Conservatives?
Also waiting in the wings, Boris Johnson, who's just made himself look like a serious politician by buying out Bechtel and Ferrovial, and collapsing the PPP deal to upgrade the tube network at a cost of 310 million bones. Looks like a power move to me.
Con-Dem'd
Speak on it.
Thankfully Gordon looks out of the way now. In 2010 we don't need an unlucky general / an inept loser running the place. And a number of the real arsehole cunts who besmirched the labour party these last few years are gone too. Yes Jacqui Smith, looking at you. Thank you voters for that. This is the kind of change that was needed. And maybe a tory govt reined-in by the Libs will be, you know, surprisingly effective.
Hopefully GB can now go and concentrate on his charity and academic work, cos he's not a bad person, just incredibly unsuited to leadership.
Bad luck Senoir, Chizzle.
bw.
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