Sharing of Samples/Breaks between Producers?
Big_Stacks
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Hey,Listening to the use of the break by Large Pro ("For My People") and Q-Tip ("I Believe") brought a question to my mind. Back in the day (and even in the current era), was it common for producers to share information about samples? Since Large Pro and Tip were/are boys, is it possible that one of them put the other up on the break they both used? I noticed similar usage of the same samples/breaks by Pete Rock and Large Professor (e.g., "Where There's a Will There's a Way" by Don Covay and "Burning Spear" by S.O.U.L.), A Tribe Called Quest and Black Sheep ("The Soil I Tilled for You" by S.O.B. and "North Carolina" by Les McCann), and The Beatnuts and Q-Tip ("Smiling Billy Suite, Pt. 2"). Were producers putting one another up on hot samples/breaks, etc. in the game?Peace,Big Stacks from Kakalak
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Cus Im sure even dudes out side of the NYC scene where tapping into similiar sounds, maybe it was just the vibe in hip hop at the time, ppl where over drum machines and james brown loops, and if some dudes where dropping heavy basslines and jazzed up vibraphone loops, and you dug the 'new sound' they had, as a digger/producer you'd go looking for simialr sounds even if you didnt know who they sampled...
Sorta like them old school djs who all had alot of the same 'breaks' in their crates. Kinda of like a selective group of people who's interest/ideals lead them to share a collective knowledge...
Is there a common thread with alot of these records? Where there certain record dealers these guys where all sourcing thier wax from? Or clubs they where spinning at?
according to Pete Rock he actually made that beat. He says he made it, was working on it, Tip came over, heard it, went home and recreated it. Pete feels it was his beat and deserved at least co-production credit.
Q-Tip is known for doing that. Did the same thing w/ DJ Cash Money
It seems cats were real generous with the sample/break knowledge, which is impressive. Admittedly, I was squirrelly as a muthafucka back then, keeping the information on my "goodies" to myself. I was hella concerned with cats bitin' me, so I kept a lid on what I was using. I was more paranoid than anything, since dudes in Fayetteville weren't up on the samples that much. The only other dude I knew with crates was this guy named Sean Beamon, who was up on stuff like John Klemmer's early Cadet LPs, Cannonball Adderley, UBBs, Super Disco Breaks, Drum Drops, etc. Otherwise, I had a lot of the old loops to myself, ah, the good ole' days.
Peace,
Big Stacks from Kakalak
Really? I'd heard the Pete Rock story, but what's up with the Cash Money one?
Well, ya know... really I probably shouldn't have even said anything on here about that. Should be left as just one of those things... sorry. Somebody else here might know the story if they want to tell it.
I Dunno, maybe I'm getting carried away, but there seems to be a connection there.
I??ll share anything I have, simply because I think it's interesting to hear different people's takes on the same break/sample.
large pro is a very humble guy.
Yeah, this story has been circulating for years. I think it's well accepted now that he intro-ed the loop. The debate around the drum programming still continues though. According to Dante Ross, who A&Red that album, LP didn't help with the drum programming but he confirmed that the loop was LP's idea.
like the smiling billy suite beat, anyone who heard that loop was gonna flip it. shit like that is a no brainer.
peace,xavier
A buddy of mine is still asking for some wild shit that Large Pro or Pete or Primo tells him to look for
Funny, I never picked that up before. Such a short loop - you figured LP could have pulled that from practically anywhere.
Yeah, I read that in an interview somewhere - it's funny that Large Pro wouldn't have used THAT LOOP from it, but on the other hand, whenever I hear the Tom Scott song it's with TROY in mind...
Could we get a clip of the Cash Money song if we dont get the dirt?
There was also something about how Large Pro left those drums open on Apache's "Hey Girl," and people would just jack them from that 12 without actually knowing what they were.
I heard a lot of beat-jacking pete rock went on in the form of paying the basement a visit, and when pete wasn't looking to go take a peek at whatever is on the turntable. the sean combs signature method apparently
Pete should have gotten hip to the game and left one of these out on the platter:
I guess he is refering to the Wild Hot song, there is no dirt really. Cashmoney invite Tip and Busta to rhyme on one of his beats for his mixtape Guess who's coming to diner, and later they did the same song again, same loop, same lyrics on the Rhyme & Reason compilation. But they gave credit to Cashmoney.
i could say more on this, but i'll leave it at what SLurg says
cmon cmon cmon....say more. we want the troof.