Day: I guess it depends on whether you consider the term to be inherently sexist or not. b, 21b, 21To me, "bitch" is not descriptive in the same way "feminine" is. The latter isn't used as a pejorative; the former is. b, 21b, 21I have no interest in defending or castigating Lohan. Calling OBama "colored" is a bad look. But I find it hypocritical that in the very same breath, people are calling her a "tramp" - as if her presumed sexual promiscuity is remotely relevant. b, 21b, 21At least one can argue that "colored" is more anachronistic than it is racist. "Tramp", on the other hand, is unambiguous in its intent and judgement. b, 21b, 21I'm not trying to play word police - seriously, I'm not - but if people want to play word police, they should at least be consistent.
Quote:/font1h, 21b, 21/font1Quote:/font1h, 21b, 21yet she probably raised 10 times the amount of money in support of Obama than anyone on here.b, 21b, 21she's an actress, not a scholar. give her a break for saying something stupid. b, 21b, 21b, 21this isn't news. wallstreet is crashing, stop checking perizhilton b, 21b, 21h, 21
b, 21b, 21Lemme make sure I got this.b, 21b, 211. Instant passes for anything that's done anything positive ever. b, 212. Your career defines you as a person.b, 213. People that thrust themselves into the political spotlight shouldn't be held responsible nor questioned for things they say in relation to social issues or politics. b, 21b, 21h, 21b, 21b, 21huh?????????????????????b, 21b, 21she doesn't get a pass, its just irrelevant. she used an ignorant term. that says nothing about her, other than she is ignorant, which most people already assumed.b, 21b, 21what we do know is that she has been supporting obama, raising money, etc. what we don't know is whether she slipped up and said it accidentally or was just too ignorant to realize that she was being insulting. so the point of posting this was what? b, 21b, 21b, 21b, 21b, 21b, 21 b, 21b, 21b, 21 img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ss.gif" alt="" 21
Quote:/font1h, 21b, 21b, 21At least one can argue that "colored" is more anachronistic than it is racist. "Tramp", on the other hand, is unambiguous in its intent and judgement. b, 21b, 21b, 21h, 21
b, 21b, 21AND it fits, but it's not necessarily sexist. She's just heavily traveled. Take that how you see fit.
Quote:/font1h, 21b, 21Day: I guess it depends on whether you consider the term to be inherently sexist or not. b, 21b, 21To me, "bitch" is not descriptive in the same way "feminine" is. The latter isn't used as a pejorative; the former is. b, 21b, 21I have no interest in defending or castigating Lohan. Calling OBama "colored" is a bad look. But I find it hypocritical that in the very same breath, people are calling her a "tramp" - as if her presumed sexual promiscuity is remotely relevant. b, 21b, 21At least one can argue that "colored" is more anachronistic than it is racist. "Tramp", on the other hand, is unambiguous in its intent and judgement. b, 21b, 21I'm not trying to play word police - seriously, I'm not - but if people want to play word police, they should at least be consistent. b, 21b, 21h, 21
b, 21b, 21Ok, fair enough. "Tramp" and "bitch" are two different words with two different meanings. I was focusing on the latter this whole conversation. I don't have the time (or motivation) to get into the finer points of the word "bitch", but I will say it has various meanings depending on it's usage and some people are indeed bitches.b, 21b, 21
Quote:/font1h, 21b, 21/font1Quote:/font1h, 21b, 21/font1Quote:/font1h, 21b, 21yet she probably raised 10 times the amount of money in support of Obama than anyone on here.b, 21b, 21she's an actress, not a scholar. give her a break for saying something stupid. b, 21b, 21b, 21this isn't news. wallstreet is crashing, stop checking perizhilton b, 21b, 21h, 21
b, 21b, 21Lemme make sure I got this.b, 21b, 211. Instant passes for anything that's done anything positive ever. b, 212. Your career defines you as a person.b, 213. People that thrust themselves into the political spotlight shouldn't be held responsible nor questioned for things they say in relation to social issues or politics. b, 21b, 21h, 21b, 21b, 21huh?????????????????????b, 21b, 21she doesn't get a pass, its just irrelevant. she used an ignorant term. that says nothing about her, other than she is ignorant, which most people already assumed.b, 21b, 21what we do know is that she has been supporting obama, raising money, etc. what we don't know is whether she slipped up and said it accidentally or was just too ignorant to realize that she was being insulting. so the point of posting this was what? b, 21b, 21b, 21b, 21h, 21b, 21b, 21You failed to make a single coherent point here. b, 21I don't have any interest in going line by line to explain my response. I'll just ask you to read it again. SLOWLY.
b, 21b, 21Sexist. b, 21b, 21h, 21b, 21b, 21U cant use offensive language w/ some one who offends you.....b, 21b, 21"Dont Call Me Colored, Bitch!" "Dont Call Me Bitch, Colored!"
her faux pas was ignorant as hell but to me it sounds more like shes emulating "people of color" and just wasnt aware that you cant switch those two around w/out people being like "wtf..."b, 21b, 21i mean for real the people who say "colored" are offensive bcuz they sound really ignorant of the current era - shes only 23. im no lohanfan but im sure it was an issue of her ignorance w/r/t "people of color" vs. "colored people"
Quote:/font1h, 21b, 21her faux pas was ignorant as hell but to me it sounds more like shes emulating "people of color" and just wasnt aware that you cant switch those two around w/out people being like "wtf..." b, 21b, 21h, 21
Quote:/font1h, 21b, 21/font1Quote:/font1h, 21b, 21her faux pas was ignorant as hell but to me it sounds more like shes emulating "people of color" and just wasnt aware that you cant switch those two around w/out people being like "wtf..." b, 21b, 21h, 21
b, 21b, 21"She just wasnt aware" - b, 21 b, 21b, 21b, 21 img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" 21 b, 21b, 21h, 21b, 21b, 21b, 21I guess in her defense I'd rather be completely ignorant and unaware than to be aware and do it anyways.b, 21b, 21Actually that's tough. Would I rather be plain dumb or just plain racist?
yeah freckles are cute in small numbers but her body is covered is that shit. She looks like a walking jackson pollack art or something. I'd play connect the dots on her booty maybe as a passing entertainment but otherwise no.
i will agree her leggs are thin right now, but she has been thicker (slightly) before, so whatev. i also guess i have a freckle fetishb, 21 img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/balla-22.gif" alt="" 21b, 21b, 21---^^^b, 21i dont even know what that means
Quote:/font1h, 21b, 21/font1Quote:/font1h, 21b, 21her faux pas was ignorant as hell but to me it sounds more like shes emulating "people of color" and just wasnt aware that you cant switch those two around w/out people being like "wtf..." b, 21b, 21h, 21
b, 21b, 21"She just wasnt aware" - b, 21 b, 21b, 21b, 21 img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" 21 b, 21b, 21h, 21b, 21im not defending her ignorance im just saying cuz it seems like a lot of ppl here are patting themselves on the back or whatever like "oh yeah long island is full of whities running around saying 'colords' all day!!!" which i have a hard time believing - im not saying its more or less forgiveable or whatever it just makes sense to appreciate this nuance of her ignorance
Quote:/font1h, 21b, 21i will agree her leggs are thin right now, but she has been thicker (slightly) before, so whatev. i also guess i have a freckle fetishb, 21 img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/balla-22.gif" alt="" 21b, 21b, 21---^^^b, 21i dont even know what that means b, 21b, 21h, 21
b, 21b, 21I beleive it means "change of lifestyle".
Quote:/font1h, 21b, 21/font1Quote:/font1h, 21b, 21the nuance of her ignorance b, 21b, 21h, 21
b, 21b, 21this would be fresh as her next LP title. b, 21b, 21h, 21b, 21hahab, 21b, 21basically im saying no need to caricature her racism, its embarrassing enough on its own and misreading what happened only ends up hurting the argument in the long run
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