Prez Debate Thread (Part Deux)

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  • CosmoCosmo 9,768 Posts
    Get em a body bag.

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  • CosmoCosmo 9,768 Posts
    Where is FATBACK? He's needed here in the next 27 days.

  • I think he's been working in Virginia... I like to think, when those polls tick up, there's a shirtless flute-toting jazz freak going door to door.

  • Deep_SangDeep_Sang 1,081 Posts
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  • skelskel You can't cheat karma 5,033 Posts
    er.... what you going to find for La Palin to do when this is all over?b,121b,121b,121You know you need her in your lives....

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    b,121er.... what you going to find for La Palin to do when this is all over?
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    b,121er.... what you going to find for La Palin to do when this is all over?
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    b,121She'll be hosting a show on Fox News within two years. Seriously, that is almost a guarantee.
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    font class="post"1b,121b,121b,121Her and Elizabeth Hasselbeck will both be there the day Sean Hannity finally goes berserk, killing everyone in the studio...

  • mannybolonemannybolone Los Angeles, CA 15,025 Posts
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  • mannybolonemannybolone Los Angeles, CA 15,025 Posts
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    b,121er.... what you going to find for La Palin to do when this is all over?
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    font class="post"1b,121b,121You can always just watch "30 Rock". They need the viewers.

  • faux_rillzfaux_rillz 14,343 Posts
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    b,121By far the worst look for McCain, as far as screen presentation, was him wandering around in the back of shots while Obama was speaking. It made him look very tense and had an aura of "no grandpa - over
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    b,121er.... what you going to find for La Palin to do when this is all over?
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    b,121She'll be hosting a show on Fox News within two years. Seriously, that is almost a guarantee.
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    font class="post"1b,121b,121Yup.b,121b,121Meanwhile, my favorite wingnuts are saying--in absolute seriousness--that the 2012 GOP ticket will be Palin-Jindal, which they claim will be unstoppable. Uh-huh.

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    b,121Mark, do you know anything about his personal history? Anything at all?
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    b,121yes quite a bit, do you?
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    font class="post"1b,121b,121You are no doubt aware, then, that his military career amounted to a series of screw-ups for which he was able to avoid accountibility only by drawing upon his family's name and connections. You are also no doubt aware that he received a series of ever more prestigious appointments within the military for which he was wholly unqualified, again solely by virtue of drawing upon his family connections. And I am sure you know that when he was captured he volunteered information and the fact that he was an admiral's son in order to secure better treatment. We should not condemn him for that, as I believe it is exactly how most of us would react under his circumstances, but we should also not elevate him to the status of a hero, as it is not mere survival of adversity that qualifies one as a hero. It is, instead, the way in which one reacts under those adverse circumstances and the men who followed military protocol and did not divulge information are the real heroes. You are aware that, upon his release, he became a willing pawn in the adminsitration's perpetuation of a failed war. I am sure you know that upon his return to the U.S., he became romantically involved with a woman eighteen years his junior while still married to the woman who had stood by him when he was a POW. You also probably know that he married that younger woman within mere weeks of his divorce from his first wife and then used her father's money to fund a campaign for congress. And I imagine that you could not have avoided awareness of the fact that once there he abused his position in unprecedented ways (Google "Keating Five" if not).b,121b,121Personally, I care very little about most of this, but since he has made his purported heroism and character the center of his campaign and since you seem to be convinced by it, I feel obligated to point it out.

  • edith headedith head 5,106 Posts
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    b,121Mark, do you know anything about his personal history? Anything at all?
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    b,121yes quite a bit, do you?
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    b,121You are no doubt aware, then, that his military career amounted to a series of screw-ups for which he was able to avoid accountibility only by drawing upon his family's name and connections. You are also no doubt aware that he received a series of ever more prestigious appointments within the military for which he was wholly unqualified, again solely by virtue of drawing upon his family connections. And I am sure you know that when he was captured he volunteered information and the fact that he was an admiral's son in order to secure better treatment. We should not condemn him for that, as I believe it is exactly how most of us would react under his circumstances, but we should also not elevate him to the status of a hero, as it is not mere survival of adversity that qualifies one as a hero. It is, instead, the way in which one reacts under those adverse circumstances and the men who followed military protocol and did not divulge information are the real heroes. You are aware that, upon his release, he became a willing pawn in the adminsitration's perpetuation of a failed war. I am sure you know that upon his return to the U.S., he became romantically involved with a woman eighteen years his junior while still married to the woman who had stood by him when he was a POW. You also probably know that he married that younger woman within mere weeks of his divorce from his first wife and then used her father's money to fund a campaign for congress. And I imagine that you could not have avoided awareness of the fact that once there he abused his position in unprecedented ways (Google "Keating Five" if not).
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  • FatbackFatback 6,746 Posts
    Late passe. Im just waking up. What a party last night. Celebrating too early, but fusk it.b,121b,121And all this time I thought Freddie Mac was a DC area carry-out chain. Like Hogs on the Hill.b,121b,121What's been up?

  • GaryGary 3,982 Posts
    If this weren't the internets i could point down to my crotch and say "that one".

  • DJ_EnkiDJ_Enki 6,471 Posts
    Two great debate-aftermath points.b,121b,121First, it seems that McCain may have invented that mortgage buyback scheme on the spot. a href="http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/archives/2008/10/mccains_unbriefed_surrogates.php" target="_blank"1His campaign certainly didn't know anything about it. D'oh!b,121b,121Second is a href="http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1008/Michigan_mess.html?showall" target="_blank"1this nugget of goodnessb,121b,121/font1
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    b,121The fractious Michigan Republicans may not be doing McCain-Palin any favors by keeping the story that he's abandoned the state alive. They're now petitioning for a Palin visit.
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    b,121By far the worst look for McCain, as far as screen presentation, was him wandering around in the back of shots while Obama was speaking. It made him look very tense and had an aura of "no grandpa - over
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  • I wondered during the debate last night if McCain had committed one of those old head technologically-confused screw ups when describing the "3 million dollar overhead projector", especially since it pertained to a planetarium (I thought, at that time, that he might have been referring to the projector that puts the planets overhead - something that could potentially be very expensive and would be very useful - but was thinking about it in terms of what Ralph rents for his powerpoint presentation).b,121b,121Sure enough, from Josh Marshall:b,121b,121/font1
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    b,121It turns out that that "overhead projector" John McCain claimed Barack Obama tried to get a $3 million earmark for was actually money to rebuild Chicago's Adler Planetarium, the oldest planetarium in the United States.
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    b,121McCain's "overhead projector" is the apparatus that runs the planetarium, which is a bit like calling the Palomar Observatory a new set of glasses.
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    b,121By far the worst look for McCain, as far as screen presentation, was him wandering around in the back of shots while Obama was speaking. It made him look very tense and had an aura of "no grandpa - over
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    b,121It's been postulated that he may have just had to pee very badly.
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    font class="post"1b,121b,121I read that he was having problems with his stool.b,121b,121b,121b,121b,121b,121b,121b,121(Both of them.)

  • white_teawhite_tea 3,262 Posts
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    b,121Two great debate-aftermath points.
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    b,121First, it seems that McCain may have invented that mortgage buyback scheme on the spot.
    a href="http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/archives/2008/10/mccains_unbriefed_surrogates.php" target="_blank"1His campaign certainly didn't know anything about it
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    b,121The fractious Michigan Republicans may not be doing McCain-Palin any favors by keeping the story that he's abandoned the state alive. They're now petitioning for a Palin visit.
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    font class="post"1b,121b,121Fusking Michigan! b,121b,121With all the stuff about moving up the primary, losing their delegates, demanding them back, indicting Kwame, calling for Palin, calling for Fey -- never a dull moment in the Wolverine State.

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  • white_teawhite_tea 3,262 Posts
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    b,121I wondered during the debate last night if McCain had committed one of those old head technologically-confused screw ups when describing the "3 million dollar overhead projector", especially since it pertained to a planetarium (I thought, at that time, that he might have been referring to the projector that puts the planets overhead - something that could potentially be very expensive and would be very useful - but was thinking about it in terms of what Ralph rents for his powerpoint presentation).
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    b,121It turns out that that "overhead projector" John McCain claimed Barack Obama tried to get a $3 million earmark for was actually money to rebuild Chicago's Adler Planetarium, the oldest planetarium in the United States.
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    b,121McCain's "overhead projector" is the apparatus that runs the planetarium, which is a bit like calling the Palomar Observatory a new set of glasses.
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    font class="post"1b,121b,121That's funny and good news to me. I can see the planetarium from my house. b,121b,121McCain's crusade on earmarks is every bit as tired as his "Obama does not admit he was wrong about the surge" line, one that he drags out in every single speech, debate or rally -- even though Obama has told McCain to his face that the surge worked beyond his "wildest imagination." What does he want, Obama to give Gen. Petraeus a congratulatory handjob?

  • edith headedith head 5,106 Posts
    Re: "That One"b,121b,121Joan Walsh from Salon said thisb,121b,121/font1
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    b,121My first reaction was that it was slightly racist -- depersonalizing African-Americans has a long rhetorical history. But I think it was more like something a cranky baby sitter would say -- Angry Uncle Joe, or Mr. Wilson. "You know who broke the coffee table?
    That one." b,121b,121h,121
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    b,121here was a guy who was smeared ruthlessly by Bush/Rove in the Republican 2000 primaries ("Cindy McCain is on drugs", "McCain has an illegitimate black child" blah blah, etc). It really damaged him and he claimed he would never to engage in dirty politics. Now with his decision to go with this "pallin' around with terrorists" crap, it's becoming more clear to me everyday that he's the guy who will do anything do be POTUS, including flat-out lying and now destroying his reputation. It's sad and disgraceful to me.
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  • edith headedith head 5,106 Posts
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    b,121here was a guy who was smeared ruthlessly by Bush/Rove in the Republican 2000 primaries ("Cindy McCain is on drugs", "McCain has an illegitimate black child" blah blah, etc). It really damaged him and he claimed he would never to engage in dirty politics. Now with his decision to go with this "pallin' around with terrorists" crap, it's becoming more clear to me everyday that he's the guy who will do anything do be POTUS, including flat-out lying and now destroying his reputation. It's sad and disgraceful to me.
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    font class="post"1b,121b,121Really?! Jesus that is pathetic.b,121b,121Of course, if he wins I won't feel sorry for him at all. Funny how that works.

  • mannybolonemannybolone Los Angeles, CA 15,025 Posts
    The site this originally appeared on is a DOOZY.b,121b,121a href="http://www.newnation.org/" target="_blank"1http://www.newnation.org/b,121b,121Be forewarned.b,121b,121b,121/font1
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    b,121When I saw Barack Obama giving his victory speech Saturday night after winning the South Carolina Democrat primary, I was struck by how much he looks like and talks like Malcolm X.
    b,121Put black framed glasses on Barack and this guy could play Malcolm X in a movie.
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    b,121Even though Obama appears to be trying to broaden his support to people of all races and ethnicities--a necessity if he is to win the presidency--it is clear that he is especially attractive to Blacks, just as was Malcolm X.
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    b,121I had to wonder to myself, if Malcolm X had come on the scene today and wanted political power, wouldn't he also try to broaden his message in just such a way so he'd be electable?
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    b,121Now, maybe this doesn't sound like a fair comparison to you. But, remember, I'm not suggesting that Malcolm X and Obama have the same message. I'm just saying that to me they seem to have a similar appearance and manner.
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    b,121After all, if a politician came on the scene who was a ringer for Stalin, no one would notice, right? People wouldn't think that just because he looks like and talks like Stalin that in some sort of synchronous way that this person shares some of Stalin's murderous ideas, would they?
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    b,121At any rate, like Malcolm, Obama seems to be able to motivate Blacks. And, that's a good thing. Right? Anyone who could be against that must be a racist. Right again? In South Carolina, Obama won due to a massive turn out of Blacks. In fact, more than 81% of the Black voters in South Carolina voted for Obama. They apparently turned out in record numbers just to vote for their fellow Black and defeat pro-Black, liberal, White Hillary Clinton. Malcolm X probably would have received a similar total.
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    b,121Peculiarly, even as they repeated this 81% figure, some liberal White pundits were saying that Obama's win indicates that we have moved beyond race. Even Ted Kennedy has said that Obama "transcends race."
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    b,121Huh?
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    b,121I don't get it. If most of the people of one race vote for a person of the same race because of his race, is that not voting for race? Is that what moving beyond race means in this nutty Dark Age in which we live?
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    b,121Even a large number of the 24% of Whites who voted for Obama in South Carolina may have done so not because they are color blind--as the pundits want you to believe--but precisely because they do see color and they voted for Obama because of the color of his skin.
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    b,121How can we come to this tentative conclusion? Well, the demographic of White voters that gave the most votes to Obama was the group between 18-29 years old (49% of this demographic voted for him). Frankly, that looks to me to be a result of the blending propaganda that, like most propaganda, is most effective when it is started with young children when their minds are most vulnerable and before they can reason for themselves--say about 30 years ago in earnest.
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    b,121Propaganda--call it brainwashing--often has mixed results in adults, but when young children are subjected to it, it often becomes fixed for life and comes under the heading of conditioning. Shaking such conditioning is as difficult for humans as it is for rats in a Skinner box. The brain is simply hardwired to believe certain things and to reject anything that is counter to those implanted beliefs.
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    b,121My guess is that these days you'd find this same demographic would tell you that smoking is bad, but if you went back 60 years or so, they'd tell you it was a fine thing to do. It just depends on which ideas are planted in their brains. We're all subject to conditioning, folks. Sometimes it's for our good and sometimes it's not. But in both cases we are being influenced by others who are trying to get us to have certain mind sets and behaviors.
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    b,121The smoking is bad, or good, type of propaganda, when given a blender twist, puts messages into the subconscious minds of easily suggestible people that Whites are evil and that they must overcome their evil by voting for Blacks and by treating them better than Whites.
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    b,121And, what about Obama's wins in Iowa and New Hampshire where older Whites voted for him in large numbers? Does that show we've moved beyond race? Not at all. Pundits are quick to point out that these two states are both overwhelmingly White. Then, based on this, the pundits leap to the conclusion that race had nothing to do with the fact that Obama won.
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    b,121Again, this is nonsense. The correct conclusion is that because there are so few Blacks in Iowa and New Hampshire, that most of the Whites there have little actual experience to counteract the conditioning. Yes, even older people are subject to conditioning. Generally, it's not as strong as in those who received if from infancy, but it's still a factor.
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    b,121The problem for Obama may be that the conditioning hasn't taken in all people. Millions of Whites were born before the massive brainwashing began. The implanted ideas didn't take. These Whites across the U.S., who look at the statistics of South Carolina, may start believing en masse that Obama really is just a Black candidate for Blacks and other non-Whites and for brainwashed White self-haters. They might start wondering what will happen to them and their families if Obama gets the presidency.
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    b,121Perhaps, they may think, he is not going to really be a president for all the people after all.
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    b,121And, it probably has not been missed by many Whites who are against amnesty for illegal aliens that Obama's supporters use the same chant used by illegal aliens when they march demanding amnesty and open borders: "Yes we can!"
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    b,121Could it be that the Obama movement is inherently anti-White? "Yes we can. Yes we can. Si se puede. Si se puede."
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    b,121Would some hard of hearing folks be considered paranoid if they thought they were hearing an echo from the darkest lands where Whites have been slaughtered because of the color of their skin, including Haiti off our southern coast, in the drum beat sound and cadence of this chant? "What's that? What are they saying? "Kill the Whites, Kill the Whites, Kill the Whites."
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    b,121Of course "Kill the Whites" aren't the words of the chant. No one with normal hearing would suggest that. But, when you hear people saying that Blacks and Hispanics need to join forces, just exactly who are they joining forces against?
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    b,121So, and we're still speaking of appearances and subconscious cues, one wonders whether or not millions of Whites will also have noticed, as I have, that Obama looks like and talks like Malcolm X and whether or not they'll subconsciously put that together, rightly or wrongly, with the fact that Blacks appear to be voting for Obama because he is Black. And, if they do think along these lines, will they then start wondering if an Obama presidency might be bad for them and their families?
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    b,121Will some also fear that Obama will fill all the top positions in the U.S. government with people similar to those on the O.J. jury who acquitted O.J. of murder? Will they recall that most Blacks believe O.J. was innocent while most Whites believe he was guilty? And, if they do recall this, will they wonder what this means for an Obama presidency, if anything?
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    b,121And, some may wonder about Obama's ties to the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, the minister of Trinity United Church of Christ, whose church publication praised Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan. Farrakhan, you may remember, has called Whites "blue-eyed devils."
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    b,121Of course, Whites, who have been conditioned to be pro-anything-but-white, will offer various rationalizations for the anti-White connections. That's how conditioning works in humans. It's a little like schizophrenia. The schizophrenic will often offer plausible sounding reasons for, say, wearing a tin foil hat and believing that there are space aliens in toilets.
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    b,121Schizophrenics are often very intelligent and they can even convince many others that there really are space aliens in toilets and that tin foil hats will protect people. No doubt, our political schizophrenics will convince many that anti-White statements and Blacks voting for a Black because he is Black don't mean what they appear to mean.
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    b,121As we move toward more primaries, one wonders (but, we really know the answer) if those supporting Obama will try to claim some noble high ground and try to brow beat Whites into voting for Obama with subtle cries that they are racist if they don't; when the statistics clearly show that Blacks are voting for Obama precisely because he is of their same race and that this, by definition, is the real racism?
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    b,121One has to feel a little sympathy for the Clintons in all of this. They must feel a little like they're caught in a real life version of that old joke about the Lone Ranger and Tonto when the two are surrounded by Indians. When the Lone Ranger says "We have to defeat the Indians," Tonto replies, "What to you mean "we" pale face?"
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    b,121Many readers of my columns may recall that I once wrote a column in which I called Bill Clinton our first Black president, and that after that column was published, a Black writer called him the same thing and then there was massive publicity about her doing so.
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    b,121I bring this up because Hillary Clinton, by extension, was the first Black First Lady and her work for Blacks went way back before Obama was ever in politics. But, as she is learning this year, the content of her character doesn't outweigh the color of her skin in the Black and other non-White communities or among many White liberals.
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    b,121Obama is taking the Black and the Hispanic vote and he has done nothing to get it except being born non-White. But, that's not racism, right?
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