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WARNERS VS. DISNEY (cartoon strut)

pickwick33pickwick33 8,946 Posts
edited October 2008 in Strut Central
img src="http://www.stomptokyo.com/extras/chuckjones/img/thats-all-folks.jpg"1b,121b,121In this corner...Warner Bros.:b,121Porky Pigb,121Elmer Fuddb,121Bugs Bunnyb,121Foghorn Leghornb,121Daffy Duckb,121b,121img src="http://www.awn.com/mag/issue3.2/3.2images/news08.jpg"1b,121b,121And over on the other side, Disney:b,121b,121Donald Duckb,121Mickey Mouseb,121Goofyb,121Plutob,121Uncle Scroogeb,121b,121And which toon company am I riding for? Warners. Their stable wasn't as goody-goody as the folks over at Disney. Bugs, Porky and all the rest are slapstick comedy classics that just happen to be animated. Disney, on the other hand, played the cuteness card way too often; despite some really good cartoon shorts early on, it didn't take long for them to backslide into mushy territory, with Cinderella and Dumbo and all the rest. And I know Fantasia is supposed to be the Sgt. Pepper of animated art, but even as a kid I thought Disney was a little hard to swallow. Discuss.
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  • Lucious_FoxLucious_Fox 2,479 Posts
    img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/formpager3xk.gif" alt="" /1b,121b,121WARNER BROS.b,121b,121b,121 img src="http://www.sneakerfiles.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/12/hare_jordan_1.jpg"1 b,121b,121Hare Jordans
  • funky16cornersfunky16corners 7,175 Posts
    It's kind of an apples/oranges thing for me.b,121b,121As far as comedy goes, Warners wins hands down. Bob McKimson is one of the true GENIUSES of animation (as well as Bob Clampett, Chuck Jones et al).b,121Disney wins on general entertainment, innovation and long form works.
  • JuniorJunior 4,853 Posts
    Well I'm a little more torn when you throw in all Disney's feature lengths but it's still WB by a long shot for me. b,121b,121The Daffy and Porky cartoons are still hilarious to this day.
  • GaryGary 3,982 Posts
    Warner Brothers by miles.... I was just watching some on youtube the other day and I was cracking up. Looney Tunes are the best. The best I say!
  • pickwick33pickwick33 8,946 Posts
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    b,121Disney wins on general entertainment, innovation and long form works.
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    font class="post"1b,121b,121To me, watching a Disney cartoon is like listening to a Les Paul record.b,121b,121You respect the technological innovations, but how often would you want to watch/listen to it?b,121b,121And, getting back to the WB...Porky Pig and his human half-brother Elmer Fudd are two of the most underrated straight-men in the history of history. It's cool to see either doing a slow burn while Daffy and Bugs act the fool.
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    b,121Warner Brothers by miles.... I was just watching some on youtube the other day and I was cracking up. Looney Tunes are the best. The best I say!
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    font class="post"1b,121b,121img src="http://sundancereflections.com/images/foghorncel.jpg"1b,121b,121SAYIN. Disney is for the children. Warner Brothers is for everybody.
  • m_dejeanm_dejean Quadratisch. Praktisch. Gut. 2,946 Posts
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    b,121It's kind of an apples/oranges thing for me.
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    font class="post"1b,121b,121img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cos3ve.gif" alt="" /1b,121b,121I'm a big fan of animation from that whole golden era (20s to 50s) in general, so I've got love for both. And you can't really compare 7-8 minute shorts to full-length features IMO.b,121b,121But I must admit that the presence of Mel Blanc gives Warner Bros a slight advantage. Legendary status.b,121b,121img src="http://povonline.com/images4/blanc7.jpg"1
  • skelskel You can't cheat karma 5,033 Posts
    I can't think more than a small minority will ride for Disney.b,121I watch Warner all the time, haven't seen a Disney in years....b,121b,121but for individual moments of artful brilliance, Disney gets some love.b,121Witness the seven dwarves heigh-ho-ing into the twilight... that's some beautiful and powerful piece of art right there.b,121b,121 img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v99/joeysaade/snow-white-and-the-seven-dwarfs-3.jpg"1
  • funky16cornersfunky16corners 7,175 Posts
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    b,121Disney wins on general entertainment, innovation and long form works.
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    b,121To me, watching a Disney cartoon is like listening to a Les Paul record.
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    b,121You respect the technological innovations, but how often would you want to watch/listen to it?
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    b,121And, getting back to the WB...Porky Pig and his human half-brother Elmer Fudd are two of the most underrated straight-men in the history of history. It's cool to see either doing a slow burn while Daffy and Bugs act the fool.
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    font class="post"1b,121b,121b,121I was actually surprised when I started to get deep into Disney stuff, especially the short subjects. I've been collecting the Disney Treasures collections, which are "complete" Mickey, Donald Duck, Pluto etc, and I find myself going back to them for both the humor and the sheer art.b,121I think one of the big differences is that most of the Disney stuff is a lot tamer, humor-wise than the WB stuff which can get surprisingly raunchy. This might have something to do with the WB stuff holding an adult's attention (that and the next level comedy, which is brilliant (much more so than most of the Disney stuff).b,121I'm also a big fan of Friz Freleng's independent stuff especially the Pink Panther/Ant & the Aardvark/Inspector shorts which are all amazing.b,121b,121If you get a chance check out the restored Max Fleisher Popeyes, which are also incredible, and surreal stuff like Gene Deitch's Krazy Kat.
  • pickwick33pickwick33 8,946 Posts
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    b,121If you get a chance check out the restored Max Fleisher Popeyes
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    font class="post"1b,121b,121The B&W Popeyes, if that's what you're referring to, are hands down way better than the color ones that followed. Love how in the black & whites, everybody seems to be mumbling - very seldom can you hear someone articulate a full thought!
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    b,121The B&W Popeyes, if that's what you're referring to, are hands down way better than the color ones that followed. Love how in the black & whites, everybody seems to be mumbling - very seldom can you hear someone articulate a full thought!
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    font class="post"1b,121b,121b,121I was stunned when I got to see the restored B&W Popeyes. I spent my childhood watching scratchy, butchered prints on local TV, and seeing them reproduced so clearly took it to another level. I still have to get the second volume.
  • GaryGary 3,982 Posts
    Also I like that old shit like Boscoe...b,121b,121b,121img src="http://www.affichescinema.com/insc_b/bosco.jpg"1b,121b,121and Ub Iwerksb,121img src="http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/511PZEM9YYL._SL500_AA240_.jpg"1b,121b,121b,121img src="http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51CREHGVCAL._SS500_.jpg"1
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    b,121Warner Brothers by miles.... I was just watching some on youtube the other day and I was cracking up. Looney Tunes are the best. The best I say!
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    font class="post"1b,121b,121Yessir! Looney Tunes could take it all over the place, from the basic silly shit to that kinda tripped-out meta stuff (like the one where Daffy starts beefing with his animator) and have it all make sense. Plus, Chuck Jones and Mel Blanc. Disney's cool, but Warner Bros. looks at Disney and says, "Get on my level!"
  • SwayzeSwayze 14,705 Posts
    MGM - Tom & Jerry
  • OkemOkem 4,617 Posts
    Disney has all the sexy ladies..b,121b,121img src="http://www.camprehoboth.com/issue09_19_03/images/069.jpg"1 b,121b,121b,121Unless you're into weird cross-dressing bisexual rabbits. WTF was that all about?
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    b,121Yessir! Looney Tunes could take it all over the place, from the basic silly shit to that kinda tripped-out meta stuff (like the one where Daffy starts beefing with his animator) and have it all make sense.
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    font class="post"1b,121b,121I LOVE when they break down the fourth wall and start referencing themselves like that. Walter Lantz (home of Woody Woodpecker)and other cartoonists did this too, but WB made it an art form. There's this really early Bugs Bunny cartoon where he's strutting down the road singing a silly song, and he bypasses a billboard advertising Porky Pig and Looney Tunes. Or when Elmer Fudd is so disgusted with Bugs that he tears up his contract with Warners.b,121b,121And they weren't above giving a shoutout to non-WB characters...there's this one Looney Tunes short (I forget which, haven't seen it in years) where some guy is in a jam, then sez something like: "if it worked for that sailor man, it'll work for me, too!" Then he busts out with the spinach like Popeye would have done, and winds up kicking somebody's ass...classic stuff.
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    font class="post"1b,121b,121I know, I just saw an opportunity and ran with it!
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  • funky16cornersfunky16corners 7,175 Posts
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    font class="post"1b,121b,121b,121My four and a half year old son loves Flip the Frog!
  • Dj_Coma_ToastDj_Coma_Toast 874 Posts
    Ive been on a tex avery kick lately and a lot of the old mgm stuff like Red Hot Riding Hood. b,121b,121embed id="VideoPlayback" src="http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docid=8039477657790445932&hl=en&fs=true" style="width:400px;height:326px" allowFullScreen="true" allowScriptAccess="always" type="application/x-shockwave-flash"1 /embed1b,121b,121wierder the better. Youtube is a virtual goldmine for old cartoons. b,121b,121Can anyone recommend specific Huckleberry Hound episodes? I remember this being awesome but the ones ive seen so far are not what I remember, or any other Hanna-Barberra?
  • bassiebassie 11,710 Posts
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    b,121In this corner...Warner Bros.:
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    font class="post"1b,121b,121And Roadrunner and Wile E Coyote, Pepe Le Pew, Sylvester, those two little chipmunks!b,121b,121Bambi is the first movie I ever saw in a theatre and I love Fantasia, but Looney Tunes all the way!
  • Lucious_FoxLucious_Fox 2,479 Posts
    Maw and Paw's Blueprints!
  • djdazedjdaze 3,099 Posts
    Warner runs shit. Plus fast forward to 1993 and you got the Animaniacs, one of my favorites
  • KrautbreaksKrautbreaks 276 Posts
    Disney was more about music in it's early days. The sense for the motions and story connected to the orchestral sounds are still img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/lvl.gif" alt="" /1b,121b,121On the other side warner has the nastier charackters,b,121getting rid of the ever growing "kitsch" side of disney-b,121b,121I am going for Will E. Coyote forever!
  • pickwick33pickwick33 8,946 Posts
    What I liked about those old cartoons is that they were developed as they went. There was always some early version of these old toons that looked nothing like the version we now know. So there's a morbidly obese Porky Pig and Elmer Fudd, Bugs Bunny acting 100x more wild than usual, etc.. Myself, swinging over to those old Walter Lantz joints for Universal, I think the best Woody Woodpeckers were the real early ones where his beak was longer, his facial expression was way more psychotic, and he talked like he was reading off a cue card.
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    b,121Plus fast forward to 1993 and you got the Animaniacs, one of my favorites
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    b,121 The best Woody Woodpeckers were the real early ones where his beak was longer, his facial expression was way more psychotic, and he talked like he was reading off a cue card.
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    font class="post"1b,121b,121No doubt.b,121b,121The earlier ones still have that pencil-line quality and fluidity as well.b,121And if i remember correctly his signature - "haw-haw-haw-haw-haw" was looser.
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