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b,121 If you thought Seinfeld was a show about nothing, you should check out Congress. I can't remember such a lack of productivity since the summer of George.
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b,121In all seriousness, the gridlock in Washington is extremely worrisome. This crowd has already set an all-time record for filibusters in a single Congress, and they're still in session! No matter how many good ideas are out there, if we can't move beyond the same partisan politics, not much is going to happen.
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b,121That's why I'm throwing my full support behind Mark Warner. He hasn't just talked a good game. As governor, he actually walked the walk by working across the aisle to deliver results and turn Virginia's struggling economy around.
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b,121I'm asking you to help elect Mark Warner and send his kind of leadership to Washington. With just a few days to go until the next big filing deadline, it's more important than ever that we show our support for his campaign. By making a contribution, you can demonstrate a strong commitment to pointing our country in a new direction.
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b,121Please Donate $5 Before Midnight on September 30th.
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b,121The 2008 elections are some of the most important we'll ever live through. There is just too much at stake to take anything for granted.
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b,121And with the upcoming FEC deadline, this is also one of the most important moments for us to demonstrate the strength of Mark Warner's candidacy. So please, make a contribution.
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b,121Please Donate $5 Before Midnight on September 30th.
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b,121Thank God McCain was there to straighten out the logjam. Without his mavericness and bipardoniship nothing would have gotten done. Maybe he will be able to debate now!
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b,121Thank God McCain was there to straighten out the logjam. Without his mavericness and bipardoniship nothing would have gotten done. Maybe he will be able to debate now!
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font class="post"1b,121b,121I wonder what his excuse will be....he's a war hero you know! Were you arware of that?
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b,121I wonder what his excuse will be....he's a war hero you know! Were you arware of that?
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font class="post"1b,121b,121Please - McCain will arrive at the debates to fanfare and claim that he was instrumental in obtaining Republican support.
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font class="post"1b,121b,121JP, do I have to spell it out for you?1b,121b,121Vitamin comes on the list and waves the red (elephant) flag, name drops his conservative/Republican credentials (NRO, jetting to a conference in Indiana), he's voting R because its all about the Supreme Court and says forget the undecideds, its all about the base.b,121b,1211) If we take Vitamin at his word, he is a Republican true believer and it doesn't matter if they have a good candidate up on the ticket, he just has to have a pulse. So asking him questions about his candidates erratic performance these past few weeks or his flip-flop on so many issues is DOA. He just doesn't care. Better to laugh it off then get all bent out of shape about his positions. Debating him is beyond useless.b,121b,1212) Anyone following this race knows that the base of both parties are pretty much set (except in a few states) and that its all about the middle/undecideds. Why do you think McCain wants the do over? His poll numbers are tanking, and the swing state polls are starting to look ugly. Is anyone really wavering on voting on this list for their candidate of choice? Is anyone squishy here?b,121b,121So, can I take Vitamin seriously? Can I get all outraged by his posts? Nope, but I can mock them mercilessly.b,121b,121So trade me in. I have an opinion on my worth at the store. Not much. But get what you can.
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b,121Vitamin comes on the list and waves the red (elephant) flag, name drops his conservative/Republican credentials (NRO, jetting to a conference in Indiana), he's voting R because its all about the Supreme Court and says forget the undecideds, its all about the base.
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b,1211) If we take Vitamin at his word, he is a Republican true believer and it doesn't matter if they have a good candidate up on the ticket, he just has to have a pulse. So asking him questions about his candidates erratic performance these past few weeks or his flip-flop on so many issues is DOA. He just doesn't care. Better to laugh it off then get all bent out of shape about his positions. Debating him is beyond useless.
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b,1212) Anyone following this race knows that the base of both parties are pretty much set (except in a few states) and that its all about the middle/undecideds. Why do you think McCain wants the do over? His poll numbers are tanking, and the swing state polls are starting to look ugly. Is anyone really wavering on voting on this list for their candidate of choice? Is anyone squishy here?
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b,121So, can I take Vitamin seriously? Can I get all outraged by his posts? Nope, but I can mock them mercilessly.
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b,121So trade me in. I have an opinion on my worth at the store. Not much. But get what you can.1
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font class="post"1b,121b,121Dude, E*i may be a bit of a pot-stirrer and def of a different stripe politically, but he's got Strut bonafides. He didn't just materialize out of thin air. I am perturbed that he doesn't sound like his usually (somewhat)thoughtful self, but hey, shit happens
b,121This is why anyone should vote for a president. The president appoints the federal government and judges. If you agree with Democrats on these things, then you should vote for the Democrat, even if he is a wheezing douche like John Kerry. If you think Republicans have better ideas, you should vote for the Republican. F*ck the swing voters. Make up your damn mind squishes.
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b,121Wow, this is like an evil universe version of Kala. Avatar has facial hair, check. Insulting names, check. Where's Kala you bastard. Give him back to us!
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font class="post"1b,121b,121What are you talking about? At least Vitamin is standing with his crew -- and is providing real-world reasons to do so.1b,121b,121I wasn't crazy about John Kerry, even less enthusiastic about his candidacy in retrospect, but I cast my vote as such in 2004.1b,121b,121If ever there was an election where Republicans would not vote for the nominee of their party, this is it.1However, by and large, Republicans vote Republican. Crazy, I know.
Somehow, I think Saracenus is down with both.b,121b,121b,121I'll take Vitamin over this crap any day, there are plenty of liberal blogs where I can read people e-yell "McSAME" all day.
Back on track, if I'm Obama, I start grinding hard all the way into the home stretch. I already know that he works pretty much 6 a.m. to midnight (at least) anyway, but if he stays on the offensive, it's going to go real well for him. b,121b,121Just looking at McCain -- he is starting to appear very tired and, worse, old. He doesn't look healthy at all and, going into the final stretch here, he's going to have to keep on his toes 24/7 and you can already tell that he is struggling -- which doesn't bold well for a man looking to be president. Back with a another football reference, Obama caught the Hail Mary pass; he might not have run it back for a TD just yet, but he needs to go into the No Huddle offense.
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Can Vitamin or anyone else hip me to some conservative blogs like The Huffington Post, DailyK, etc.?b,121b,121I haven't heard very many Repbulicans backing McCain on this suspension stunt and would love to hear what they are talking about right now.b,121b,121And is there any way that McCain not showing up tomorrow night could be a positive for him??
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font class="post"1b,121b,121No. I can't see it, especially since they basically ironed out something without either one of them. Despite all the wailing and gnashing of teeth, part of me wants to see how bad the general public would feel it if we let them fail....I am a bit skeptical that all these 'Sign it now' guys like that Mad Money asshole are just looking to spare themselves, like they give a F*ck if the taxpayers lose money on the deal.b,121b,121I mean, does this really solve anything? Am I in the wrong thread?
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b,121The Yankees announced yesterday that they were suspending their campaign for the American League pennant due to the dire state of the economy. "This is not the time for partisan attempts to win baseball games," said Hank Steinbrenner.1"I have called Commissioner Selig and suggested that the World Series be postponed or cancelled altogether until we have come up with a solution that unequivocally fixes everything."
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b,121The Yankees announced yesterday that they were suspending their campaign for the American League pennant due to the dire state of the economy. "This is not the time for partisan attempts to win baseball games," said Hank Steinbrenner.1"I have called Commissioner Selig and suggested that the World Series be postponed or cancelled altogether until we have come up with a solution that unequivocally fixes everything."
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b,121When it was pointed out to Mr.1Steinbrenner that the Yankees had already been eliminated from pennant consideration, he replied, "Yeah, so?"
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The suspending the campaign move is exactly like the picking Palin one. They both change the topic when things are not looking good for McCain.1After the Democratic convention, Obama is flying high, they painted McCain as more of the same. He drops a bomb by picking a never heard of and for weeks it's all about Palin's personality. Banks are collapsing, people are freaked out about the economy, most commentators and pollsters say this will help Obama and the Democrats, McCain drops the second bomb, I'm going to be committed to fixing this crisis and my country and suspending the campaign until it's done. It's political theatrics, and I have to say he's played it well, although in the long run I think both will end up hurting him.
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b,121The one thing that will make him a better president than obama is that he will put more republicans in the white house. 1Thats the qualification that you are most impressed with.
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b,121This is why anyone should vote for a president. The president appoints the federal government and judges. If you agree with Democrats on these things, then you should vote for the Democrat, even if he is a wheezing douche like John Kerry. If you think Republicans have better ideas, you should vote for the Republican. F*ck the swing voters. Make up your damn mind squishes.
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font class="post"1b,121b,121Vitamin's little explanation has one big, gaping, fatal flaw: SARAH PALIN.b,121b,121All of a Pres' appointments (with the exception of the Supremes) have far lesser authority than does the VP in the (statistically likely) event that McCain is incapacitated.
b,121The suspending the campaign move is exactly like the picking Palin one. They both change the topic when things are not looking good for McCain.1After the Democratic convention, Obama is flying high, they painted McCain as more of the same. He drops a bomb by picking a never heard of and for weeks it's all about Palin's personality. Banks are collapsing, people are freaked out about the economy, most commentators and pollsters say this will help Obama and the Democrats, McCain drops the second bomb, I'm going to be committed to fixing this crisis and my country and suspending the campaign until it's done. It's political theatrics, and I have to say he's played it well, although in the long run I think both will end up hurting him.
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b,121The suspending the campaign move is exactly like the picking Palin one. They both change the topic when things are not looking good for McCain.1After the Democratic convention, Obama is flying high, they painted McCain as more of the same. He drops a bomb by picking a never heard of and for weeks it's all about Palin's personality. Banks are collapsing, people are freaked out about the economy, most commentators and pollsters say this will help Obama and the Democrats, McCain drops the second bomb, I'm going to be committed to fixing this crisis and my country and suspending the campaign until it's done. It's political theatrics, and I have to say he's played it well, although in the long run I think both will end up hurting him.
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b,121Vitamin's response was totally cynical. "I am voting for a more conservative bureaucracy." Oi Vey.
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b,121Inside an intense White House meeting over the financial crisis on Thursday, where nearly every key player came to an agreement on the outlines of the bailout package, Sen. John McCain stuck out.
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"What happened here, basically, if you want an honest appraisal of the thing, we have been spending a lot of time and I am tired. I have spent almost seven straight days at this in trying to come out with a workout plan for our economy a rescue plan," said Dodd. "What this looked like to me was a rescue plan for John McCain for two hours and took us1away from the work we are trying to do today. Serious people trying to do serious work to come up with an answer."/b1b,121b,121b,121b,121b,121b,121According to the source with knowledge of the White House gathering -- which featured both presidential candidates, congressional leaders and the President -- virtually ever key figure in the room, save McCain and GOP Sen. Richard Shelby, were in agreement over a revised version of Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson's plan.b,121b,121b,121b,121b,121b,121Towards the end, McCain finally spoke up, mentioning a counter-proposal that had been offered by some conservative House Republicans, which would suspend the capital gains tax for two years and provide tax incentives to encourage firms that buy up bad debt. McCain did not discuss specifics of the plan, though, and was non-committal about supporting it. b,121b,121h,121
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