how bout we talk about that piece of shit mccain?

djdazedjdaze 3,099 Posts
edited May 2008 in Strut Central
Confrontation with witnessOne such witness was Dolores Apodaca Alfond, chairwoman of the National Alliance of Families, an all-volunteer MIA organization. Her pilot brother, Capt. Victor J. Apodaca, out of the Air Force Academy, was shot down over Dong Hoi, North Vietnam, in the early evening of June 8, 1967. At least one person in the two-man plane survived. Beeper signals from a pilot's distress radio were picked up by overhead helicopters, but the cloud cover was too heavy to go in. Hanoi has recently turned over some bone fragments that are supposed to be Apodaca's. The Pentagon first declared the fragments to be animal bones. But now it is telling the family -- verbally -- that they came from the pilot. But the Pentagon, for unexplained reasons, will not put this in writing, which means Apodaca is still unaccounted for. Also the Pentagon refuses to give Alfond a sample of the fragments so she can have testing done by an independent laboratory.Alfond's testimony, at a hearing of the POW/MIA committee Nov. 11, 1992, was revealing. She pleaded with the committee not to shut down in two months, as scheduled, because so much of its work was unfinished. Also, she was critical of the committee, and in particular Kerry and McCain, for having "discredited the overhead satellite symbol pictures, arguing there is no way to be sure that the [distress] symbols were made by U.S. POWs." She also criticized them for similarly discounting data from special sensors, shaped like a large spike with an electronic pod and an antenna, that were airdropped to stick in the ground along the Ho Chi Minh trail.These devices served as motion detectors, picking up passing convoys and other military movements, but they also had rescue capabilities. Specifically, someone on the ground -- a downed airman or a prisoner on a labor detail -- could manually enter data into the sensor pods. Alfond said the data from the sensor spikes, which was regularly gathered by Air Force jets flying overhead, had showed that a person or persons on the ground had manually entered into the sensors -- as U.S. pilots had been trained to do -- "no less than 20 authenticator numbers that corresponded exactly to the classified authenticator numbers of 20 U.S. POWs who were lost in Laos."Other than the panel's second co-chairman, Sen. Bob Smith, R-N.H., not a single committee member attended this public hearing. But McCain, having been advised of Alfond's testimony, suddenly rushed into the room to confront her. His face angry and his voice very loud, he accused her of making "allegations ... that are patently and totally false and deceptive." Making a fist, he shook his index finger at her and said she had insulted an emissary to Vietnam sent by President Bush. He said she had insulted other MIA families with her remarks. And then he said, through clenched teeth: "And I am sick and tired of you insulting mine and other people's [patriotism] who happen to have different views than yours." Brought to tears By this time, tears were running down Alfond's cheeks. She reached into her handbag for a handkerchief. She tried to speak: "The family members have been waiting for years -- years! And now you're shutting down." He kept interrupting her. She tried to say, through tears, that she had issued no insults. He kept talking over her words. He said she was accusing him and others of "some conspiracy without proof, and some cover-up." She said she was merely seeking "some answers. That is what I am asking." He ripped into her for using the word "fiasco." She replied: "The fiasco was the people that stepped out and said we have written the end, the final chapter to Vietnam." "No one said that," he shouted. "No one said what you are saying they said, Ms. Alfond." And then, his face flaming pink, he stalked out of the room, to shouts of disfavor from members of the audience. As with most of McCain's remarks to Alfond, the facts in his closing blast at her were incorrect. Less than three weeks earlier, on Oct. 23, 1992, in a ceremony in the White House Rose Garden, President Bush -- with John McCain standing beside him -- said: "Today, finally, I am convinced that we can begin writing the last chapter in the Vietnam War."The committee did indeed, as Alfond said they planned to do, shut down two months after the hearing.

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  • jaysusjaysus 787 Posts

    I hate the gooks!




  • street_muzikstreet_muzik 3,919 Posts
    He masturbates to bestiality porn.

  • DJ_EnkiDJ_Enki 6,471 Posts
    Admits that he doesn't know jack about economics (and compounds the error by signing on to Bush's largest-deficit-in-human-history-creating tax cut scheme) and repeatedly confuses Sunni and Shiites while popping a boner about bombing Iran. What are the two biggest issues for the U.S.? The economy and Iraq.

    Yup, he sounds like a bang-up candidate to me.

  • djdazedjdaze 3,099 Posts
    I dunno about that, but those 2 clips up there should damn him from holding ANY office much less the presidency

  • LaserWolfLaserWolf Portland Oregon 11,518 Posts
    Lady in the green dress has nice legs.

  • LaserWolfLaserWolf Portland Oregon 11,518 Posts
    McCain is a fiasco.

    That vid ought to disqualify him.

    The only person who needs to refrain from out bursts is John McCain.

  • troublemantroubleman 1,928 Posts
    I have the unmistakable feeling dolo is watching.

  • djdazedjdaze 3,099 Posts
    I don't care who's watching...fuck anyone who rides for that fool, and their dead homies too.

  • LaserWolfLaserWolf Portland Oregon 11,518 Posts
    Dolo or Saba wont defend McCain. They might do some McCain style attack on you. How dare you call that great man a fiasco?

  • Young_PhonicsYoung_Phonics 8,041 Posts
    BUT HE REMINDS ME OF MY GRANDPA!

    I saw Chris Rock a month or two ago and he has these two comments on McCain:

    "I can't vote for a president with a Bucket List"
    "I don't think McCain should be making decisions about our future, especially since he won't be in it for too long"

    LE LULZ!

  • RockadelicRockadelic Out Digging 13,993 Posts
    " Former President Bill Clinton got the Obama campaign in a tizzy Friday after telling an audience in North Carolina that John McCain and Hillary share a love of America "

  • rootlesscosmorootlesscosmo 12,848 Posts
    I dunno about that, but those 2 clips up there should damn him from holding ANY office much less the presidency

    really? I only watched the first one, but...uh, really?

  • LaserWolfLaserWolf Portland Oregon 11,518 Posts
    I dunno about that, but those 2 clips up there should damn him from holding ANY office much less the presidency

    really? I only watched the first one, but...uh, really?

    Yes. The first one you watched showed a man who was out of control attacking a citizen who was asking that the search for MIA/POWs not be discontinued. He attacked her personally and viciously and never addressed her concerns.


    The second video is a series of interviews with people making the case for continuing the search and attacking McCain. McCain attacks:
    1) He killed the search for MIA/POWs and caused the Pentagon to classify a load of related documents they were about to release.
    2) While a POW he made propaganda films for the Hanoi government claiming that the US targets civilians, schools and hospitals.
    3) He refuses to let any documents regarding POWs to be released because they would prove the validity of 2.


    My google research shows that the only people who know about or believe number 2 are the people in the video above. Claim number one I think is beyond dispute.

  • rootlesscosmorootlesscosmo 12,848 Posts
    I dunno about that, but those 2 clips up there should damn him from holding ANY office much less the presidency

    really? I only watched the first one, but...uh, really?

    Yes. The first one you watched showed a man who was out of control attacking a citizen who was asking that the search for MIA/POWs not be discontinued. He attacked her personally and viciously and never addressed her concerns.

    I saw a dude who disagreed with a representative of an NGO, got heated, and then left.

    I can't say I know the full backstory (presumably it involves the gov't being stingy with funds for this woman's project), but I would hardly say this video should "damn him from holding ANY office much less the presidency."

    I don't recall that he "attacked her personally and viciously" and as to the charge that he "never addressed her concerns," well, this was an 8-minute clip of a presumably much longer hearing. and furthermore these two have probably worked on this issue for months (years?) prior. to say he "never addressed her concerns" is totally baseless in this context.

    but hey, I'm not a McCain rider. I just think there's plenty of hard issues on which to vote for or against him in the upcoming election. this youtube schitt is just silly.

  • djdazedjdaze 3,099 Posts
    I dunno about that, but those 2 clips up there should damn him from holding ANY office much less the presidency

    really? I only watched the first one, but...uh, really?

    Yes. The first one you watched showed a man who was out of control attacking a citizen who was asking that the search for MIA/POWs not be discontinued. He attacked her personally and viciously and never addressed her concerns.

    I saw a dude who disagreed with a representative of an NGO, got heated, and then left.

    I can't say I know the full backstory (presumably it involves the gov't being stingy with funds for this woman's project), but I would hardly say this video should "damn him from holding ANY office much less the presidency."

    I don't recall that he "attacked her personally and viciously" and as to the charge that he "never addressed her concerns," well, this was an 8-minute clip of a presumably much longer hearing. and furthermore these two have probably worked on this issue for months (years?) prior. to say he "never addressed her concerns" is totally baseless in this context.

    but hey, I'm not a McCain rider. I just think there's plenty of hard issues on which to vote for or against him in the upcoming election. this youtube schitt is just silly.

    that youtube schitt is where you find video proof of a man riding his campaign partly on the fact that he's a POW, belittling the lady who is trying to get more funding to search for POW's telling her that she's wrong. that warrants a SERIOUS WTF! in my book.

    THAT and the fact that he also passed a law that closes the books on all POW debriefings? dude got somthing to hide. and yes, to me, that is some DAMNING shit.

  • LaserWolfLaserWolf Portland Oregon 11,518 Posts
    I dunno about that, but those 2 clips up there should damn him from holding ANY office much less the presidency

    really? I only watched the first one, but...uh, really?

    Yes. The first one you watched showed a man who was out of control attacking a citizen who was asking that the search for MIA/POWs not be discontinued. He attacked her personally and viciously and never addressed her concerns.

    I saw a dude who disagreed with a representative of an NGO, got heated, and then left.

    I can't say I know the full backstory (presumably it involves the gov't being stingy with funds for this woman's project), but I would hardly say this video should "damn him from holding ANY office much less the presidency."

    I don't recall that he "attacked her personally and viciously" and as to the charge that he "never addressed her concerns," well, this was an 8-minute clip of a presumably much longer hearing. and furthermore these two have probably worked on this issue for months (years?) prior. to say he "never addressed her concerns" is totally baseless in this context.

    but hey, I'm not a McCain rider. I just think there's plenty of hard issues on which to vote for or against him in the upcoming election. this youtube schitt is just silly.

    You might be right. I get a little carried away.

    I think it is clear that a Senator should show respect to everyone who testifies before them. We've all seen cspan, and we have never seen a senator getting this heated. The person he was getting heated with has a husband who is MIA, she believes he is a POW. I think a little courtesy would go a long way towards making him look electable. On the other hand, compared to some of Cheney's outbursts this is nothing.

    There is a group of Viet Nam vets and and family of POW/MIAs who are out to sink McCain. You should watch the 2nd video. A 30 second spot of their claims running on national tv could be devastating, even if it is pure swift boating which I don't approve of and which I will condemn until everyone has seen the video.

  • LaserWolfLaserWolf Portland Oregon 11,518 Posts


    This is the kind of disgusting swift boating that makes me so sick of politics.

  • the3rdstreamthe3rdstream 1,980 Posts
    My google research shows that

    John McCain owns you


  • street_muzikstreet_muzik 3,919 Posts


    This is the kind of disgusting swift boating that makes me so sick of politics.


  • luckluck 4,077 Posts


  • sabadabadasabadabada 5,966 Posts
    Dolo or Saba wont defend McCain. They might do some McCain style attack on you. How dare you call that great man a fiasco?


    saba is wayyyy too busy getting paid thousands of dollars being taken out to lunch and dinner everyday at five star restaurants to make time in his busy schedule to defend against attacks from little guys - i barely have time to go on ebay to purchase all the raers i want.

    I think they may be sending me to Budapest for a week or two - so fill me in on how far your McCain derangement syndrome has progressed when i get back, if you're not already foaming at the mouth and have to be put-down.

    xxx
    ooo

    Saba

  • djdazedjdaze 3,099 Posts

    That first video is not in context, and even as such, doesn't really seem that bad to me. I mean, people were hyping it like it was a deal-breaker. Hell no. The man's (uhh...former) anti-MLK Day stance is MUCH more damning.

    are you KIDDING me?

    what's out of context. I've seen the whole video and that's what I could find on youtube but the text I copied and pasted gives it FULL context. It's video of McCain RIDICULING the chairwoman of the National Alliance of Families, an all-volunteer MIA organization, whose BROTHER is still an MIA. Now if he was some anti-war nut ok fine. but dude WAS an MIA. How the fuck is he not out there riding for other dudes that might still be alive as if he was John Fuckin Rambo???? Instead he's passing bills to keep any debriefing info confidential??? how the FUCK does that make any sense at all?

    Being anti-MLK day is horrible for sure but at least it's expected from a guy you would assume is probably a racist. But an anti-MIA stance from a guy who went through that is damning as all hell to me.

  • mannybolonemannybolone 15,029 Posts



    saba is wayyyy too busy getting paid thousands of dollars being taken out to lunch and dinner everyday at five star restaurants to make time in his busy schedule to defend against attacks from little guys - i barely have time to go on ebay to purchase all the raers i want.

    ^^^Unfamiliar with the notion that "bad boys move in silence."

  • RockadelicRockadelic Out Digging 13,993 Posts

    That first video is not in context, and even as such, doesn't really seem that bad to me. I mean, people were hyping it like it was a deal-breaker. Hell no. The man's (uhh...former) anti-MLK Day stance is MUCH more damning.

    are you KIDDING me?

    what's out of context. I've seen the whole video and that's what I could find on youtube but the text I copied and pasted gives it FULL context. It's video of McCain RIDICULING the chairwoman of the National Alliance of Families, an all-volunteer MIA organization, whose BROTHER is still an MIA. Now if he was some anti-war nut ok fine. but dude WAS an MIA. How the fuck is he not out there riding for other dudes that might still be alive as if he was John Fuckin Rambo???? Instead he's passing bills to keep any debriefing info confidential??? how the FUCK does that make any sense at all?

    Being anti-MLK day is horrible for sure but at least it's expected from a guy you would assume is probably a racist. But an anti-MIA stance from a guy who went through that is damning as all hell to me.

    I'm not about to defend McCain.....dude is a douchebag in my book.

    Why would he do what you see in that video or be involved with the confidentiality Bills?

    1) He was privy to a deal the U.S. had in place with the Vietnamese government to cover up war crimes(Possibly on both sides).

    2) He's so egotistical and self centered that he doesn't care what happened to a single one of his fellow MIA/POW soldiers.

    3) After years of searching for these soldiers the Government decided to end the search efforts and used McCain as their mouthpiece since his ex-POW standing would give them more validity than a non-Serviceperson, non-POW politician would.

    Do any one of those choices make more sense than the other two??

  • mannybolonemannybolone 15,029 Posts
    Took long enough but the media is finally getting around to looking at other people's pastors:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/14/us/pol...3b99&ei=5087%0A

  • djdazedjdaze 3,099 Posts
    Rock, you're right, the confidentiality bill isn't even addressed in that first vid, I got ahead of myself.

    What he DOES do in that vid is shut down the chair of the AOF and call her a liar in front of congress. it baffles me that he's not right in front of her shouting in unison instead.

    your #3 might be the best explanation but as a former POW, if that's the case, he's a piece of shit.

  • RockadelicRockadelic Out Digging 13,993 Posts
    Rock, you're right, the confidentiality bill isn't even addressed in that first vid, I got ahead of myself.

    What he DOES do in that vid is shut down the chair of the AOF and call her a liar in front of congress. it baffles me that he's not right in front of her shouting in unison instead.

    your #3 might be the best explanation but as a former POW, if that's the case, he's a politician[/b] .

  • dj_pidj_pi 335 Posts
    The McCain stuff on (inexplicably) concealing information about POW's and rights for families of POW's, has been documented for some time.

    There was an article featured in the Disinformation - You Are Being Lied To book if you wanted to read more on it.

  • djdazedjdaze 3,099 Posts
    Rock, you're right, the confidentiality bill isn't even addressed in that first vid, I got ahead of myself.

    What he DOES do in that vid is shut down the chair of the AOF and call her a liar in front of congress. it baffles me that he's not right in front of her shouting in unison instead.

    your #3 might be the best explanation but as a former POW, if that's the case, he's a politician[/b] .

    nah, he's worse.

  • RockadelicRockadelic Out Digging 13,993 Posts
    Rock, you're right, the confidentiality bill isn't even addressed in that first vid, I got ahead of myself.

    What he DOES do in that vid is shut down the chair of the AOF and call her a liar in front of congress. it baffles me that he's not right in front of her shouting in unison instead.

    your #3 might be the best explanation but as a former POW, if that's the case, he's a politician[/b] .

    nah, he's worse.

    I hear ya....I just meant in the respect that he would do anything to further advance his political career.
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