Dirty harry drums
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I recently was given Sudden Impact (BIG ups to Tonearm Roberry), and I was looking up the drummer the answer I got doesn't seem to sit well with me. 
Lalo is known for using many session musicians and hardly gives proper credit. Listening to the swing and backbeat I thought it was Purdie. Given the other session musicians I'm not sure Purdie was on board. This is the answer from the Doug Payne Lalo site."According to Lalo Schifrin, Larry Bunker and John Guerin played drums simultaneously together (although Schifrin indicates Mel Lewis, not Larry Bunker, is the second drummer during the interview contained in Warner Music France (Fr) 8573-87357-2 [CD])."Looking at Larry Bunkers track record all soft contemporary drums. No breakbeats from him. Mel lewis is definitely a good jazz drummer, and listening to a youtube video of him he definitely could've been the jazz drummer. So that leaves John Guerin. His track record includes: Frank Sinatra, Frank Zappa, Joni Mitchell, The Byrds, Thelonious Monk, Lou Rawls, George Shearing, Peggy Lee, Ella Fitzgerald, Linda Ronstadt, Nelson Riddle and others. Not too funky. The funkiest work in his discography would be working with Axelrod. So, I'm wondering if this is what I need to listen to.So, I'm looking through the Lalo session players lists, and some of the other funky drummers he worked with includes:Grady Tate - Marquis de sadeEarl Palmer - Cool hand lukeStix Hooper - Enter the DragonFor me it's a no brainer that the funky drummer is eitherEarl Palmer or John Guerin.Anybody know better or thinks otherwise?- spidey
Lalo is known for using many session musicians and hardly gives proper credit. Listening to the swing and backbeat I thought it was Purdie. Given the other session musicians I'm not sure Purdie was on board. This is the answer from the Doug Payne Lalo site."According to Lalo Schifrin, Larry Bunker and John Guerin played drums simultaneously together (although Schifrin indicates Mel Lewis, not Larry Bunker, is the second drummer during the interview contained in Warner Music France (Fr) 8573-87357-2 [CD])."Looking at Larry Bunkers track record all soft contemporary drums. No breakbeats from him. Mel lewis is definitely a good jazz drummer, and listening to a youtube video of him he definitely could've been the jazz drummer. So that leaves John Guerin. His track record includes: Frank Sinatra, Frank Zappa, Joni Mitchell, The Byrds, Thelonious Monk, Lou Rawls, George Shearing, Peggy Lee, Ella Fitzgerald, Linda Ronstadt, Nelson Riddle and others. Not too funky. The funkiest work in his discography would be working with Axelrod. So, I'm wondering if this is what I need to listen to.So, I'm looking through the Lalo session players lists, and some of the other funky drummers he worked with includes:Grady Tate - Marquis de sadeEarl Palmer - Cool hand lukeStix Hooper - Enter the DragonFor me it's a no brainer that the funky drummer is eitherEarl Palmer or John Guerin.Anybody know better or thinks otherwise?- spidey
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So... I did some E-digging and found out about
So.. John Guerin was actually really funky on this 1972 album. SO it definitely is possible that he was ripping breakbeats in 1971 with Lalo.
Anybody know any other stuff from Mr. Guerin that's worth checking out.
Howard Roberts equinox express??
Carol Kaye- first lady of pop??
- spidey
now we're talking!
that shit is sweet...
There's a few on there: Mystic Moods is hit n' miss, Tom Scott has his moments, I've found some Jean-Luc Ponty kinda dope, Zappa, etc...
This is a selected discography, as listed on the site www.united-mutations.com/g/john_guerin.htm. If you have any corrections or additions to this list, please feel free to let us know: [email]justin@johnguerin.com[/email] .
Also, check this link for a very well organized discography: Guerin at AMG All Music Guide (thanks to Dawayne Bailey)
1966 kellaway, roger- stride!
1966 wofford, mike- strawberry wine
1967 wofford, mike- summer night
1967 wofford, mike- sure thing
1968 scott, tom- rural still life
1968 frank zappa- lumpy gravy
1968 monk, thelonious- monk's blues
1969 mitchell, blue- bantu village
1969 jean-luc ponty- canteloupe island
1969 monkees- monkees present
1969 frank zappa- hot rats
1970 brady bunch- merry christmas
1970 scott, tom- paint your wagon
1970 various artists- zapp??d
1970 frank zappa- chunga's revenge
1970 nelson, oliver- black, brown and beautiful
1971 england dan & john ford- fables
1971 california earthquake- california earthquake
1971 mama cass- cass elliot
1971 rhodes, emitt- american dream
1971 reddy, helen- helen reddy
1971 hammer, jan- hammer
1971 mulligan, gerry- age of steam
1972 parsons, gram- g p
1972 spring [1] - spring
1972 battin, skip- skip
1972 horn, jim- through the eye
1972 previn, dory- mary c brown
1972 mitchell, blue- blue's blues
1972 roberts, howard- equinox express elevator
1972 longet, claudine- let's spend the night together
1972 rankin, kenny- like a seed
1972 seals & crofts- summer breeze
1972 brady bunch- meet the brady bunch
1972 brady bunch- kids from the brady bunch
1972 vaughan, sarah- with michel legrand
1973 mcguinn, roger- roger mcguinn
1973 parsons, gram- g.p./grievous angel
1973 seals & crofts- diamond girl
1973 browne, severin- severin browne
1973 carlton, larry- singing playing
1973 edelman, randy- laughter & tears
1973 harris, shaun- shaun harris
1973 muleskinner- muleskinner
1973 taylor, allan- american album
1973 crow [1] - david wagner d/b/a crow
1973 everly, phil- star spangled springer
1973 gates, david- first
1973 williams, patrick- threshold
1973 scott, tom- great scott
1973 scott, tom- tom scott & la express
1973 brady bunch- brady bunch phonographic album
1974 batteaux- batteaux
1974 cunha, rick- cunha songs
1974 hagers- hagers [elektra]
1974 horn, paul- visions
1974 ellis, don- haiku
1974 harrison, george- dark horse
1974 loggins, dave- apprentice (in a musical workshop)
1974 joni mitchell- miles of aisles (percussion, drums)
1974 streisand, barbra- butterfly
1974 joni mitchell- court & spark (percussion, drums)
1974 frank zappa- apostrophe (')
1974 scott, tom- tom cat (percussion, drums, producer)
1975 okeefe, danny- so long harry truman
1975 brooks, elkie- rich mans woman
1975 edelman, randy- prime cuts
1975 phillips, shawn- do you wonder
1975 andersen, eric- be true to you
1975 blue, david- com'n back for more (drums, vocals, producer)
1975 mcrae, carmen- i am music
1975 garthwaite, terry- terry
1975 fire and rain- living together
1975 garfunkel, art- breakaway
1975 joni mitchell- hissing of summer lawns
1975 rankin, kenny- inside
1975 baez, joan- diamonds & rust
1975 brown, ray- brown's bag
1975 klemmer, john- touch
1975 triumphant sax- triumphant sax!
1976 melanie- photograph
1976 la express- shadow play (drums, keyboards)
1976 pacheco, tom- swallowed up in american heartland
1976 sainte-marie, buffy- sweet america
1976 spheeris, jimmie- ports of the heart
1976 pedersen, herb- southwest
1976 la express- l.a. express (drums, keyboards)
1976 doheny, ned- hard candy
1976 deardurff & joseph- deardurff and joseph
1976 bishop, stephen- careless
1976 franks, michael- art of tea (percussion, drums)
1976 joni mitchell- hejira
1976 souther, john david- black rose
1976 lee, peggy- mirrors (percussion, drums)
1976 klemmer, john- barefoot ballet
1977 alessi brothers- alessi
1977 boylan, terence- terence boylan
1977 pacheco, tom- outsider
1977 titus, libby- libby titus
1977 murphy, walter- rhapsody in blue
1977 sidran, ben- doctor is in
1977 feldman, victor- rockavibabe
1977 hamilton, dirk- at last
1977 franks, michael- sleeping gypsy
1977 joni mitchell- don juan's reckless daughter
1977 ogerman, claus- gate of dreams
1978 norman, neil- not of this earth
1978 mancini, henry- theme scene
1978 oak ridge boys- room service
1979 franklin, rodney- in the center
1979 garthwaite, terry- hand in glove
1979 raitt, bonnie- glow
1979 lee, peggy- close enough for love (percussion, drums)
1980 kunkel, leah- i run with trouble
1980 hamilton, dirk- thug of love
1980 rankin, kenny- after the roses
1980 scott, tom- best of tom scott (drums, producer)
1981 jackson, milt- big mouth
1981 robinson, spike- plays harry warren
1982 joni mitchell- wild things run fast
1982 mcferrin, bobby- bobby mcferrin
1983 linda ronstadt- what's new
1984 linda ronstadt- lush life
1986 linda ronstadt- for sentimental reasons
1986 frank zappa- apostrophe/over-nite sensation (cd two'fer release)
1986 linda ronstadt- round midnight with nelson riddle a
1988 rankin, kenny- silver morning
1989 feinstein, michael- m.g.m. album
1989 lighthouse all stars- jazz invention
1990 franks, michael- blue pacific
1990 raitt, bonnie- bonnie raitt collection
1990 madonna- dick tracy: "i'm breathless"
1990 labelle, patti- this christmas
1991 mcferrin, bobby- many faces of bird
1992 mcguinn, roger- born to rock & roll
1992 feinstein, michael- pure imagination
1993 neville, aaron- grand tour
1993 easton, sheena- no strings
1993 wilson, carnie and wend- hey santa!
1993 neville, aaron- aaron neville's soulful christmas
1993 john, elton- duets
1993 scott, tom- reed my lips
1994 kaye, carol- first lady of pop
1994 bishop, stephen- on & on: the hits of stephen bishop
1994 muleskinner- potpourri of bluegrass jam
1994 lemel, gary- romancing the screen
1994 everly brothers- heartaches & harmonies [box set] (percussion, drums)
1994 rogers, kenny- timepiece
1994 pizzarelli, john- dear mr. cole
1994 miracle on 34th street (1994) [ost]
1995 raitt, john- broadway legend
1995 mcrae, carmen- best of carmen mcrae
1996 shaken not stirred- shaken not stirred
1996 frank zappa- the lost episodes
1996 klemmer, john- mosaic: the best of john klemmer
1996 minnelli, liza- gently
1996 bread- retrospective
1996 grace of my heart- grace of my heart (instrumental)
1996 cole, natalie- stardust
1996 joni mitchell- hits (percussion, drums)
1996 joni mitchell- misses
1996 caldwell, bobby- blue condition
1996 monk, thelonious- this is jazz, vol. 5 (percussion)
1996 woman's world- woman's world
1997 rundgren, todd- very best of todd rundgren
1997 garfield, david- tribute to jeff porcaro (tom-tom, drums)
1997 andersen, eric- collection
1997 frank zappa- strictly genteel
1997 best of smooth jazz- best of smooth jazz
1998 franks, michael- best of michael franks (percussion, drums)
1998 barone, mike- live at donte's 1968
1998 scott, tom- priceless jazz
1999 frank zappa- son of cheep thrills
greatest science fiction hits, vol.
california earthquake- reformation
wagner, david- d/b/a crow
madelaine- who is she? (percussion)
morrison, bob- friends of mine
nevins, nancy- nancy nevins
pulver, judy- pulver rising
baby maker- baby maker
secret agent file- secret agent file
norman, neil- greatest science fiction hits, vol.
norman, neil- greatest science fiction hits, vol.
bird- bird
starlight christmas- starlight christmas
klemmer, john- best of john klemmer, vol. 1: mosai
rankin, kenny- peaceful: the best of kenny rankin
the mystic moods orchestra- emotions
- spidey
I love that moment where the drums kick in. Hard as nails.
i just might be. seriously multiple copies? i still have yet to see a copy of this in a store.
these arists have albums containing DAMN funky breaks. its not totally impossible it's guerin. plus "funk" drumming isnt necessarily exclusive to the funk genre...
can anybody post a soundclip? its been at least 2 years since ive heard this record and usually i can recognize earl palmer's playing, i might be able to offer some help .
plus i wouldnt mind hearing it again anyway! i was flooored the first time i heard this shit.
When my DJ gets back with my turntables, I'll have him rip it for you.
- spidey
you know, this are the kind of threads I like ...
as for the drummer, I think it has little meaning goin through each drummer credits, cause it won't help.....
it still amazes me to find out that, some of "the crusaders" members were behind some of the most raw and funkiest 70's ost....you wouldn't believe that those heard on the Shaft in Africa soundtrack, for example, are the same musicians playing on those polished, smooth, fusion-esque "Crusaders" records...
my 2 cents is that, maybe it was John Guerin, however the kind of drummer heard on Dirty harry sounds like coming from jazz, so I wouldn' t be surprised if it was mel lewis....
Example: the Les Crane "Desiderata" LP from the same year. The beats on that sound very similar to "Scorpio" with the stop'n'go thing going on.
John Guerin played on a lot of film and TV scores from the late 60s/early 70s. Pat Williams used him frequently too. Probably him playing on the Streets of SF theme.
Didn't someone talk about a
Bring over your laptop and burn it at my crib.
I want a copy too (since I don't own the record anymore).
Hey m_dejean, did you find any info on tv show sessions musicians on the net ? ...beside that DougPayne page ?