like he was not a super technical producer. he had a certain style to finish his beats. he didn't really work with samples on a technical side like, for example, dj premier.
like he was not a super technical producer. he had a certain style to finish his beats. he didn't really work with samples on a technical side like, for example, dj premier.
well, i have to admit that i don't know too much about producing.
like he was not a super technical producer. he had a certain style to finish his beats. he didn't really work with samples on a technical side like, for example, dj premier.
Sorry but this statement makes no sense.
Dilla got crazy with his samples and the way he chopped and blended different melodies together... Maybe you haven't heard enough of his music to have heard things properly.
This is a very difficult comparison, but Primo definitely contributed to more tracks that really inspired and influenced me. I love Dilla's production as well...... it's better off not to compare them . just enjoy their music !
like he was not a super technical producer. he had a certain style to finish his beats. he didn't really work with samples on a technical side like, for example, dj premier.
Sorry but this statement makes no sense.
Dilla got crazy with his samples and the way he chopped and blended different melodies together... Maybe you haven't heard enough of his music to have heard things properly.
both are legendary, consistent, well-respected icons in hiphop.
the difference?
1. Premier makes more hits
2. Jay Dee is criminally slept on only up until the 2000s
be honest, half of them fools didn't even know until recently that so many of your favourite 90s jam were actually produced by Jay Dee. i'm talking just when all those Dilla Tribute mixes starting floating around! The man has been humble about it too.
2. Jay Dee is criminally slept on only up until the 2000s
huh? at the time of "labcabincalifornia" "beats, rhymes and life" and "stakes is high" he was arguably the hottest producer on earth. peace, stein. . .
You could say that Dilla was more interesting in a number of ways, but it's really not a contest to me. And despite working with some sub-par rappers, Premier made countless classic SONGS, whereas Dilla always had beats, but didn't really make that many memorable rap records. Sorry, Frank-n-Dank.
That pretty much hits the nail on the head, some Frank N Dank was alright though, they were Dilla's Group Home.
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2. Jay Dee is criminally slept on only up until the 2000s
huh? at the time of "labcabincalifornia" "beats, rhymes and life" and "stakes is high" he was arguably the hottest producer on earth. peace, stein. . .
Yeah, but outside of pros like yourself, how many people were really, enthusiastically, riding for his shit back then? Not too many people were crazy about those records, as I recall. Personally, I loved his shit from the jump (he did some nice beats on that first Mad Skillz album, too), but look at how the two Tribe albums he was involved in were received. I remember saying to people at the time that, despite not being great Tribe albums, people would come to recognise those joints as being influential records, when a lot of other people were just saying, "Jaydee ruined Tribe". "4 Moms" is pretty much the essence of that whole neo-soul sound in a skit less than two minutes long.
You could say that Primo's great contribution was that he more or less set the mark for what the NY sound would come to mean for a lot of people, although I'm sure others could argue that point. Sonically, Dilla brought a fresh approach which was less about hard-hitting drums and a boomin-in-ya-jeep dynamic, and which took on board a lot of elements that many producers weren't really trying to fuck with at the time - west coast latin jazz, brazilian, fusion, psych-folk - and which made him a good fit for Tribe and the Pharcyde musically.
Primos beats is FAr as original as jaydees sound, both the old ones and the new ones. and primos drum patterns are straight up wack, sounds like hes using quantizing on all of them, and he gets boring too, cause all of the beats sound the same, i like dilla much more, cause he has many different styles & sounds. ive never been disappointed when putting on a dilla record (except form common - the light remix).. but primo just gets more & more boring for every release. i can imagine hes a good dj thou. havent seen him live.
haha, ididnt mean STRAIGHT UP WACk. but compared to dillas drumworks they are on some extraordinarie lil dude shit
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primos drum patterns are straight up wack,
haha, ididnt mean STRAIGHT UP WACk. but compared to dillas drumworks they are on some extraordinarie lil dude shit
Drums on a hip-hop record are supposed to knock. Primo's drums knock. So do Dilla's. If it's reverse triple-paradiddle wizard-rock complexity you're after, you might want to try this;
Primos beats is FAr as original as jaydees sound, both the old ones and the new ones. and primos drum patterns are straight up wack, sounds like hes using quantizing on all of them, and he gets boring too, cause all of the beats sound the same, i like dilla much more, cause he has many different styles & sounds. ive never been disappointed when putting on a dilla record (except form common - the light remix).. but primo just gets more & more boring for every release. i can imagine hes a good dj thou. havent seen him live.
haha, ididnt mean STRAIGHT UP WACk. but compared to dillas drumworks they are on some extraordinarie lil dude shit
If you'd listened to Primo'd drums in 89-90 he was killin shit. So u have to take in the proper context. Dilla came after Primo, and had to be influenced by him.
2. Jay Dee is criminally slept on only up until the 2000s
huh? at the time of "labcabincalifornia" "beats, rhymes and life" and "stakes is high" he was arguably the hottest producer on earth. peace, stein. . .
Yeah, but outside of pros like yourself, how many people were really, enthusiastically, riding for his shit back then? Not too many people were crazy about those records, as I recall. Personally, I loved his shit from the jump (he did some nice beats on that first Mad Skillz album, too), but look at how the two Tribe albums he was involved in were received. I remember saying to people at the time that, despite not being great Tribe albums, people would come to recognise those joints as being influential records, when a lot of other people were just saying, "Jaydee ruined Tribe". "4 Moms" is pretty much the essence of that whole neo-soul sound in a skit less than two minutes long.
You could say that Primo's great contribution was that he more or less set the mark for what the NY sound would come to mean for a lot of people, although I'm sure others could argue that point. Sonically, Dilla brought a fresh approach which was less about hard-hitting drums and a boomin-in-ya-jeep dynamic, and which took on board a lot of elements that many producers weren't really trying to fuck with at the time - west coast latin jazz, brazilian, fusion, psych-folk - and which made him a good fit for Tribe and the Pharcyde musically.
What these dudes said... c'mon Jay Dee was far from the hottest producer before the turn of the 21st Century. In the neo-soul / conscious hip hop realm, yeah he was making some noise. If he was really pumping like that, then we totally missed out in Detroit. We weren't notified, because we thought we were the only ones that really knew.
haha, ididnt mean STRAIGHT UP WACk. but compared to dillas drumworks they are on some extraordinarie lil dude shit
If you'd listened to Primo'd drums in 89-90 he was killin shit. So u have to take in the proper context. Dilla came after Primo, and had to be influenced by him.
before premier started making everything sound the same he had stupid styles! fast beats, slow beats, jazzy shit, hard knock shit, very simple shit.... and drums for days!
i say that they are easily comparable. they're both very influential sample based beat makers who have a ton of work out there. priemer does have a bit of an edge coming out of the end of the "golden era" but dilla's consistancy and creativity can't be argued - at least if you know anything about making beats.
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well, i have to admit that i don't know too much about producing.
Sorry but this statement makes no sense.
Dilla got crazy with his samples and the way he chopped and blended different melodies together... Maybe you haven't heard enough of his music to have heard things properly.
This is a very difficult comparison, but Primo definitely contributed to more tracks that really inspired and influenced me. I love Dilla's production as well...... it's better off not to compare them . just enjoy their music !
glad i dont have to choose.
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i don't know...
both are legendary, consistent, well-respected icons in hiphop.
the difference?
1. Premier makes more hits
2. Jay Dee is criminally slept on only up until the 2000s
be honest, half of them fools didn't even know until recently that so many of your favourite 90s jam were actually produced by Jay Dee. i'm talking just when all those Dilla Tribute mixes starting floating around! The man has been humble about it too.
huh? at the time of "labcabincalifornia" "beats, rhymes and life" and "stakes is high" he was arguably the hottest producer on earth. peace, stein. . .
That pretty much hits the nail on the head, some Frank N Dank was alright though, they were Dilla's Group Home.
Yeah, but outside of pros like yourself, how many people were really, enthusiastically, riding for his shit back then? Not too many people were crazy about those records, as I recall. Personally, I loved his shit from the jump (he did some nice beats on that first Mad Skillz album, too), but look at how the two Tribe albums he was involved in were received. I remember saying to people at the time that, despite not being great Tribe albums, people would come to recognise those joints as being influential records, when a lot of other people were just saying, "Jaydee ruined Tribe". "4 Moms" is pretty much the essence of that whole neo-soul sound in a skit less than two minutes long.
You could say that Primo's great contribution was that he more or less set the mark for what the NY sound would come to mean for a lot of people, although I'm sure others could argue that point. Sonically, Dilla brought a fresh approach which was less about hard-hitting drums and a boomin-in-ya-jeep dynamic, and which took on board a lot of elements that many producers weren't really trying to fuck with at the time - west coast latin jazz, brazilian, fusion, psych-folk - and which made him a good fit for Tribe and the Pharcyde musically.
haha, ididnt mean STRAIGHT UP WACk. but compared to dillas drumworks they are on some extraordinarie lil dude shit
Drums on a hip-hop record are supposed to knock. Primo's drums knock. So do Dilla's. If it's reverse triple-paradiddle wizard-rock complexity you're after, you might want to try this;
Premier = Lil' Dude
??? WTF ???
I believe you are wandering into the realms of talking toffee here...
Hilarious.
If you'd listened to Primo'd drums in 89-90 he was killin shit.
So u have to take in the proper context. Dilla came after Primo, and had to be influenced by him.
What these dudes said... c'mon Jay Dee was far from the hottest producer before the turn of the 21st Century. In the neo-soul / conscious hip hop realm, yeah he was making some noise. If he was really pumping like that, then we totally missed out in Detroit. We weren't notified, because we thought we were the only ones that really knew.
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really though? he had great beats, but very few of my favorite 90s jams were produced by him. like 2 or 3 maybe.
before premier started making everything sound the same he had stupid styles! fast beats, slow beats, jazzy shit, hard knock shit, very simple shit.... and drums for days!
i say that they are easily comparable. they're both very influential sample based beat makers who have a ton of work out there. priemer does have a bit of an edge coming out of the end of the "golden era" but dilla's consistancy and creativity can't be argued - at least if you know anything about making beats.