There wouldn't be enough players left to fill rosters. Not apologist, just sayin'.
Here is the thing...
Steroids gives an unfair advantage to people who are willing to risk their lives. It PUNISHES a player who says, 'you know...i could take this, and be a better, more durable player. But, I'd rather, for my own health, the health of my family, and anyone who looks up to me, NOT take them.'
I cannot condone ANY sort of, 'well, other people did it...' Who. Fucking. Cares. Other people take crack; doesn't mean I should.
Bottom Line: Fuck Bonds. Fuck Sosa. Fuck Palmeiro. Fuck McGwire. Fuck 'em all... I do not recognize their accomplishments, and never will.
there is no need for the astric in print. Judging from peoples reactions, it is already there.
bud selig is a bitch. who the f*ck misses this occasion to meet with george mitchell?!??!! sh*t is retarded. that foll is the george w. bush of baseball.
There wouldn't be enough players left to fill rosters. Not apologist, just sayin'.
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There are countless great players waiting to get into the majors, the fact that the ones who made the team took steroids only strengthens the argument to get them out of there.
I blame baseball, not Bonds, McGwire, and Sosa, because they should have mandatory testing every year and be on top of the drugs that can slip through the cracks. Baseball didn't want to know if these guys took steroids because they were making the MLB serious $$$$$.
Ok, Bonds cheated, but what about all the other guys who took some type of supplement that we don't know about. The numbers are probably in the thousands. Remember, these guys do this sh*t for a living. Did any of you guys watch the Real Sports piece on these 17-18 year old pitchers who are getting surgery on their shoulders, faking injuries, just because it might have a slight chance of improving their speed? These guys are serious competitors and will do whatever it takes to get ahead.
I guarantee that steriod use is only gonna grow as scientists are able to figure out more ways to disguise the use of them. Get used to it. I think the asterick is bullshit. Give the dude some credit. Maybe Aaron corked his bat for half his homers, who knows.
Those of us who grew up pre cable, satellite and Internet don't know nearly as much about our sports icons from the early '80s and before as we think we do.
PS roids don't help you connect. talent is talent.
There wouldn't be enough players left to fill rosters. Not apologist, just sayin'.
It PUNISHES a player who says, 'you know...i could take this, and be a better, more durable player. But, I'd rather, for my own health, the health of my family, and anyone who looks up to me, NOT take them.'
I don't see how it punishes someone to not take steroids. Makes them relatively less competitive? Perhaps. But punish, it does not.
I cannot condone ANY sort of, 'well, other people did it...' Who. Fucking. Cares.
Like I said, I'm no apologist for the use of performace enhancing substances- I just think that there is not a fan on the face of the planet that is privy to a list of all players in the MLB using said substances. The situation is out of control, and therefore you aren't really in any place to condemn or condone it outside of your own self/your family/etc. If you want to criticize someone for letting the situation get out of control for years, go after Selig.
Other people take crack; doesn't mean I should.
C'mon now. Straw man.
Bottom Line: Fuck Bonds. Fuck Sosa. Fuck Palmeiro. Fuck McGwire. Fuck 'em all... I do not recognize their accomplishments, and never will.
There wouldn't be enough players left to fill rosters. Not apologist, just sayin'.
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There are countless great players waiting to get into the majors, the fact that the ones who made the team took steroids only strengthens the argument to get them out of there.
Judging by the evidence, so far it's convinced the countless great players waitin' to get in to take steroids, not for the MLB to kick out the great players that currently do. I'm not sayin' baseball does not need to clean up it's act, just stating the reality of a situation that's out of control. Does Barry get the same respect knowing what everyone knows about him? Not from me... Do I think that there should be the * next to the record? Absolutely not. Everyone's had the same opportunities in MLB to be as dominant and/or 'roided up as he has- he's just been better at it. As noted before- he was a 40/40 before he was a hulk, he's got an amazing swing, and you can't put steroids in your eyes. props to barry.
Everyone's had the same opportunities in MLB to be as 'roided up as he has- he's just been better at it.
Ummm... are you serious? Wow, I never looked at it that way before. All the players that didn't take steroids are just suckers who missed an "opportunity." Good point.
Those of us who grew up pre cable, satellite and Internet don't know nearly as much about our sports icons from the early '80s and before as we think we do.
PS roids don't help you connect. talent is talent.
b/w
y'all sound asshurt.
I'm wit' you... I'm diggin this. Barry killin it! Say werd! There are too many arguments supporting both sides.
My thing is, 1) if you don't like baseball, keep steppin. 2) I agree, Roids don't help you connect, you still have to hit the ball. 3) Roids in baseball common (Raers on my ipod) - it's there and has been there for years, get used to it or just ban everything on the map. 4) I agree, it is baseball's fault. Get stricter. Everyone is mad at Bonds but Baseball needs to step up...
If A-Rod or Ken Griff breaks Barry's record, I'd be happy for them too. Its still an accomplishment
Fuck that...if you LOVE baseball, you should step to this, and question it.
b/w
Anyone who thinks the players, union, and Donald Fehr are blameless are foolin' themselves. Puhleaze, with this 'It's not Barry's Fault he had to take drugs. Blame BUD!'
Everyone's had the same opportunities in MLB to be as 'roided up as he has- he's just been better at it.
Ummm... are you serious? Wow, I never looked at it that way before. All the players that didn't take steroids are just suckers who missed an "opportunity." Good point.
Exaggerating one's point to make it seem ridiculous is a solid argument strategy. Really. Kinda like sarcastic agreement.
Everyone's had the same opportunities in MLB to be as 'roided up as he has- he's just been better at it.
Ummm... are you serious? Wow, I never looked at it that way before. All the players that didn't take steroids are just suckers who missed an "opportunity." Good point.
Exaggerating one's point to make it seem ridiculous is a solid argument strategy. Really. Kinda like sarcastic agreement.
Everyone's had the same opportunities in MLB to be as 'roided up as he has- he's just been better at it.
Ummm... are you serious? Wow, I never looked at it that way before. All the players that didn't take steroids are just suckers who missed an "opportunity." Good point.
Exaggerating one's point to make it seem ridiculous is a solid argument strategy. Really. Kinda like sarcastic agreement.
Haha.
Ok then, here is the disconnect: you see steroids as an "opportunity," I see it as cheating.
Everyone's had the same opportunities in MLB to be as 'roided up as he has- he's just been better at it.
Ummm... are you serious? Wow, I never looked at it that way before. All the players that didn't take steroids are just suckers who missed an "opportunity." Good point.
Exaggerating one's point to make it seem ridiculous is a solid argument strategy. Really. Kinda like sarcastic agreement.
STRAWMAN! STRAWMAN! LOOK AT THE STRAWMAN!
ha! perhaps i can give you some reading material while I go to lunch. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man If you really wanted to criticize me, you would have said "red herring", not "straw man"
Everyone's had the same opportunities in MLB to be as 'roided up as he has- he's just been better at it.
Ummm... are you serious? Wow, I never looked at it that way before. All the players that didn't take steroids are just suckers who missed an "opportunity." Good point.
Exaggerating one's point to make it seem ridiculous is a solid argument strategy. Really. Kinda like sarcastic agreement.
STRAWMAN! STRAWMAN! LOOK AT THE STRAWMAN!
ha!
perhaps i can give you some reading material while I go to lunch. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man If you really wanted to criticize me, you would have said "red herring", not "straw man"
Everyone's had the same opportunities in MLB to be as 'roided up as he has- he's just been better at it.
Ummm... are you serious? Wow, I never looked at it that way before. All the players that didn't take steroids are just suckers who missed an "opportunity." Good point.
Exaggerating one's point to make it seem ridiculous is a solid argument strategy. Really. Kinda like sarcastic agreement.
Haha.
Ok then, here is the disconnect: you see steroids as an "opportunity," I see it as cheating.
ok then. trust me, if there was a drug to make me a better and more profitable analyst, i would take it.
Exclusive: Barry Bonds' Home Run Record Tainted by Mechanical Device?
By Michael Witte
Published: August 06, 2007 10:45 AM
NEW YORK (Commentary) Beyond his alleged steroid use, Barry Bonds is guilty of the use of something that confers extraordinarily unfair mechanical advantage: the ???armor??? that he wears on his right elbow. Amid the press frenzy over Bonds??? unnatural bulk, the true role of the object on his right arm has simply gone unnoticed.
This is unfortunate, because by my estimate, Bonds??? front arm ???armor??? may have contributed no fewer than 75 to 100 home runs to his already steroid-questionable total. Bonds tied Henry Aaron???s home run record of 755 on Saturday night and will go for the new standard this week back at home in San Francisco.
As a student of baseball ??? and currently a mechanics consultant to a major league baseball team -- I believe I have insight into the Bonds "achievement." I have studied his swing countless times on video and examined the mechanical gear closely through photographs.
For years, sportswriters remarked that his massive "protective" gear ??? unequaled in all of baseball -- permits Bonds to lean over the plate without fear of being hit by a pitch. Thus situated, Bonds can handle the outside pitch (where most pitchers live) unusually well. This is unfair advantage enough, but no longer controversial. However, it is only one of at least seven (largely unexplored) advantages conferred by the apparatus.
The other six:
1) The apparatus is hinged at the elbow. It is a literal "hitting machine" that allows Bonds to release his front arm on the same plane during every swing. It largely accounts for the seemingly magical consistency of every Bonds stroke.
2) The apparatus locks at the elbow when the lead arm is fully elongated because of a small flap at the top of the bottom section that fits into a groove in the bottom of the top section. The locked arm forms a rigid front arm fulcrum that allows extraordinary, maximally efficient explosion of the levers of Bonds' wrists. Bonds hands are quicker than those of average hitters because of his mechanical "assistant."
3) When Bonds swings, the weight of the apparatus helps to seal his inner upper arm to his torso at impact. Thus "connected," he automatically hits the ball with the weight of his entire body - not just his arms - as average hitters ("extending") tend to do.
4) Bonds has performed less well in Home Run Derbies than one might expect because he has no excuse to wear a "protector" facing a batting practice pitcher. As he tires, his front arm elbow tends to lift and he swings under the ball, producing towering pop flies or topspin liners that stay in the park. When the apparatus is worn, its weight keeps his elbow down and he drives the ball with backspin.
5) Bonds enjoys quicker access to the inside pitch than average hitters because his "assistant" - counter-intuitively - allows him to turn more rapidly. Everyone understands that skaters accelerate their spins by pulling their arms into their torsos, closer to their axes of rotation. When Bonds is confronted with an inside pitch, he spins like a skater because his upper front arm is "assistant"-sealed tightly against the side of his chest.
6) At impact, Bonds has additional mass (the weight of his "assistant") not available to the average hitter. The combined weight of "assistant" and bat is probably equal to the weight of the lumber wielded by Babe Ruth but with more manageable weight distribution.
At the moment, Bonds' apparatus enjoys "grandfathered" status. Similar devices are presently denied to average major leaguers, who must present evidence of injury before receiving an exemption.
Bonds has worn some sort of front arm protection since 1992. In '94, a one-piece forearm guard was replaced by a jointed, two piece elbow model. In ???95 it got bigger and a small "cap" on the elbow was replaced by a "flap" that overlapped the upper piece and locked the two pieces together when the arm was elongated. In '96, the "apparatus" grew even larger and so did the "flap."
It seems to have remained relatively the same until -- interestingly??? 2001, the year of his record 73 home runs, when an advanced model appeared made (apparently) of a new material. It had softer edges and a groove for the flap to slip into automatically at full arm elongation. More important, the upper half of the machine was sculpted to conform more comfortably to the contours of Bonds' upper arm. Since 2001, the apparatus seems to have remained relatively unchanged.
Several years back, baseball was rightfully scandalized by the revelation that Sammy Sosa had "corked" his bat. The advantages conferred by the Bonds "hitting machine," however, far exceed anything supplied by cork. Ultimately, it appears the Bonds "achievement??? must be regarded as partly the product of ???double duplicity" -- steroidal and mechanical.
Everyone's had the same opportunities in MLB to be as 'roided up as he has- he's just been better at it.
Ummm... are you serious? Wow, I never looked at it that way before. All the players that didn't take steroids are just suckers who missed an "opportunity." Good point.
Exaggerating one's point to make it seem ridiculous is a solid argument strategy. Really. Kinda like sarcastic agreement.
Haha.
Ok then, here is the disconnect: you see steroids as an "opportunity," I see it as cheating.
ok then.
trust me, if there was a drug to make me a better and more profitable analyst, i would take it.
Everyone's had the same opportunities in MLB to be as 'roided up as he has- he's just been better at it.
Ummm... are you serious? Wow, I never looked at it that way before. All the players that didn't take steroids are just suckers who missed an "opportunity." Good point.
Exaggerating one's point to make it seem ridiculous is a solid argument strategy. Really. Kinda like sarcastic agreement.
Haha.
Ok then, here is the disconnect: you see steroids as an "opportunity," I see it as cheating.
ok then.
trust me, if there was a drug to make me a better and more profitable analyst, i would take it.
But, if it gave you an advantage over your coworkers, and better opportunities for a raise/promotion/advancement, while risking your health and life, I would hope you would be banned from analyzing.
Everyone's had the same opportunities in MLB to be as 'roided up as he has- he's just been better at it.
Ummm... are you serious? Wow, I never looked at it that way before. All the players that didn't take steroids are just suckers who missed an "opportunity." Good point.
Exaggerating one's point to make it seem ridiculous is a solid argument strategy. Really. Kinda like sarcastic agreement.
Haha.
Ok then, here is the disconnect: you see steroids as an "opportunity," I see it as cheating.
ok then.
trust me, if there was a drug to make me a better and more profitable analyst, i would take it.
But, if it gave you an advantage over your coworkers, and better opportunities for a raise/promotion/advancement, while risking your health and life, I would hope you would be banned from analyzing.
[JimBeam]Not if they had the opportunity to take it too[/JimBeam]
So, we still call George Brett one of the best after he used pine tar. Or Gaylord Perry for using sandpaper? The list goes on...What about some of these cats using coka for an "edge"? Or drink before a game? If you are gonna hate, hate'em all.
Personally, I love football, hoops, etc. But it's just a fuckin' game.
BTW, good for Barry in breaking the record. I was at Circuit City buying a TV when I saw it.
So, we still call George Brett one of the best after he used pine tar. Or Gaylord Perry for using sandpaper? The list goes on...What about some of these cats using coka for an "edge"? Or drink before a game? If you are gonna hate, hate'em all.
Now, THERE is a straw man...
Look. A spit ball doesn't kill the guy who throws it. Neither does pine tar. Anyone can risk being caught doing those things; they risk their reputation and a punishment, and the integrity of the game. But not a life.
When you start making decisions that you are willing to compromise your own safety to succeed, and thereby punish those who are not willing to make the decision to risk their health, life, legal repercussions, etc. for a competitve advantage, then the stakes are much higher, and no level of tolerance should be accepted.
I blame baseball, not Bonds, McGwire, and Sosa, because they should have mandatory testing every year and be on top of the drugs that can slip through the cracks. Baseball didn't want to know if these guys took steroids because they were making the MLB serious $$$$$.
When you start making decisions that you are willing to compromise your own safety to succeed, and thereby punish those who are not willing to make the decision to risk their health, life, legal repercussions, etc. for a competitve advantage, then the stakes are much higher, and no level of tolerance should be accepted.
I agree. All I'm saying is the sports world is corrupt- at least, a bit shady. It's entertainment, that's all.
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yeah put it inthe books like this *756....
*broke the record BUT took steroids to help him do it. shame on you bonds, no wonder baseball sucks.
Here is the thing...
Steroids gives an unfair advantage to people who are willing to risk their lives. It PUNISHES a player who says, 'you know...i could take this, and be a better, more durable player. But, I'd rather, for my own health, the health of my family, and anyone who looks up to me, NOT take them.'
I cannot condone ANY sort of, 'well, other people did it...' Who. Fucking. Cares. Other people take crack; doesn't mean I should.
Bottom Line: Fuck Bonds. Fuck Sosa. Fuck Palmeiro. Fuck McGwire. Fuck 'em all... I do not recognize their accomplishments, and never will.
there is no need for the astric in print. Judging from peoples reactions, it is already there.
bud selig is a bitch. who the f*ck misses this occasion to meet with george mitchell?!??!! sh*t is retarded. that foll is the george w. bush of baseball.
???
There are countless great players waiting to get into the majors, the fact that the ones who made the team took steroids only strengthens the argument to get them out of there.
I blame baseball, not Bonds, McGwire, and Sosa, because they should have mandatory testing every year and be on top of the drugs that can slip through the cracks. Baseball didn't want to know if these guys took steroids because they were making the MLB serious $$$$$.
Ok, Bonds cheated, but what about all the other guys who took some type of supplement that we don't know about. The numbers are probably in the thousands. Remember, these guys do this sh*t for a living. Did any of you guys watch the Real Sports piece on these 17-18 year old pitchers who are getting surgery on their shoulders, faking injuries, just because it might have a slight chance of improving their speed? These guys are serious competitors and will do whatever it takes to get ahead.
I guarantee that steriod use is only gonna grow as scientists are able to figure out more ways to disguise the use of them. Get used to it. I think the asterick is bullshit. Give the dude some credit. Maybe Aaron corked his bat for half his homers, who knows.
PS roids don't help you connect. talent is talent.
b/w
y'all sound asshurt.
I don't see how it punishes someone to not take steroids. Makes them relatively less competitive? Perhaps. But punish, it does not.
Like I said, I'm no apologist for the use of performace enhancing substances- I just think that there is not a fan on the face of the planet that is privy to a list of all players in the MLB using said substances. The situation is out of control, and therefore you aren't really in any place to condemn or condone it outside of your own self/your family/etc. If you want to criticize someone for letting the situation get out of control for years, go after Selig.
C'mon now. Straw man.
Ok. You don't have to. But baseball will.
Does Barry get the same respect knowing what everyone knows about him? Not from me... Do I think that there should be the * next to the record? Absolutely not. Everyone's had the same opportunities in MLB to be as dominant and/or 'roided up as he has- he's just been better at it.
As noted before- he was a 40/40 before he was a hulk, he's got an amazing swing, and you can't put steroids in your eyes.
props to barry.
The SS buzzword of the year.
Ummm... are you serious? Wow, I never looked at it that way before. All the players that didn't take steroids are just suckers who missed an "opportunity." Good point.
I'm wit' you... I'm diggin this. Barry killin it! Say werd! There are too many arguments supporting both sides.
My thing is, 1) if you don't like baseball, keep steppin. 2) I agree, Roids don't help you connect, you still have to hit the ball. 3) Roids in baseball common (Raers on my ipod) - it's there and has been there for years, get used to it or just ban everything on the map. 4) I agree, it is baseball's fault. Get stricter. Everyone is mad at Bonds but Baseball needs to step up...
If A-Rod or Ken Griff breaks Barry's record, I'd be happy for them too. Its still an accomplishment
b/w
Anyone who thinks the players, union, and Donald Fehr are blameless are foolin' themselves. Puhleaze, with this 'It's not Barry's Fault he had to take drugs. Blame BUD!'
Exaggerating one's point to make it seem ridiculous is a solid argument strategy. Really. Kinda like sarcastic agreement.
STRAWMAN! STRAWMAN! LOOK AT THE STRAWMAN!
Haha.
Ok then, here is the disconnect: you see steroids as an "opportunity," I see it as cheating.
perhaps i can give you some reading material while I go to lunch.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man
If you really wanted to criticize me, you would have said "red herring", not "straw man"
Ooooh...I've been
Your arguments are mad
trust me, if there was a drug to make me a better and more profitable analyst, i would take it.
No they don't but his armor does!!
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Exclusive: Barry Bonds' Home Run Record Tainted by Mechanical Device?
By Michael Witte
Published: August 06, 2007 10:45 AM
NEW YORK (Commentary) Beyond his alleged steroid use, Barry Bonds is guilty of the use of something that confers extraordinarily unfair mechanical advantage: the ???armor??? that he wears on his right elbow. Amid the press frenzy over Bonds??? unnatural bulk, the true role of the object on his right arm has simply gone unnoticed.
This is unfortunate, because by my estimate, Bonds??? front arm ???armor??? may have contributed no fewer than 75 to 100 home runs to his already steroid-questionable total.
Bonds tied Henry Aaron???s home run record of 755 on Saturday night and will go for the new standard this week back at home in San Francisco.
As a student of baseball ??? and currently a mechanics consultant to a major league baseball team -- I believe I have insight into the Bonds "achievement." I have studied his swing countless times on video and examined the mechanical gear closely through photographs.
For years, sportswriters remarked that his massive "protective" gear ??? unequaled in all of baseball -- permits Bonds to lean over the plate without fear of being hit by a pitch. Thus situated, Bonds can handle the outside pitch (where most pitchers live) unusually well. This is unfair advantage enough, but no longer controversial. However, it is only one of at least seven (largely unexplored) advantages conferred by the apparatus.
The other six:
1) The apparatus is hinged at the elbow. It is a literal "hitting machine" that allows Bonds to release his front arm on the same plane during every swing. It largely accounts for the seemingly magical consistency of every Bonds stroke.
2) The apparatus locks at the elbow when the lead arm is fully elongated because of a small flap at the top of the bottom section that fits into a groove in the bottom of the top section. The locked arm forms a rigid front arm fulcrum that allows extraordinary, maximally efficient explosion of the levers of Bonds' wrists. Bonds hands are quicker than those of average hitters because of his mechanical "assistant."
3) When Bonds swings, the weight of the apparatus helps to seal his inner upper arm to his torso at impact. Thus "connected," he automatically hits the ball with the weight of his entire body - not just his arms - as average hitters ("extending") tend to do.
4) Bonds has performed less well in Home Run Derbies than one might expect because he has no excuse to wear a "protector" facing a batting practice pitcher. As he tires, his front arm elbow tends to lift and he swings under the ball, producing towering pop flies or topspin liners that stay in the park. When the apparatus is worn, its weight keeps his elbow down and he drives the ball with backspin.
5) Bonds enjoys quicker access to the inside pitch than average hitters because his "assistant" - counter-intuitively - allows him to turn more rapidly. Everyone understands that skaters accelerate their spins by pulling their arms into their torsos, closer to their axes of rotation. When Bonds is confronted with an inside pitch, he spins like a skater because his upper front arm is "assistant"-sealed tightly against the side of his chest.
6) At impact, Bonds has additional mass (the weight of his "assistant") not available to the average hitter. The combined weight of "assistant" and bat is probably equal to the weight of the lumber wielded by Babe Ruth but with more manageable weight distribution.
At the moment, Bonds' apparatus enjoys "grandfathered" status. Similar devices are presently denied to average
major leaguers, who must present evidence of injury before receiving an exemption.
Bonds has worn some sort of front arm protection since 1992. In '94, a one-piece forearm guard was replaced by a jointed, two piece elbow model. In ???95 it got bigger and a small "cap" on the elbow was replaced by a "flap" that overlapped the upper piece and locked the two pieces together when the arm was elongated. In '96, the "apparatus" grew even larger and so did the "flap."
It seems to have remained relatively the same until -- interestingly??? 2001, the year of his record 73 home runs, when an advanced model appeared made (apparently) of a new material. It had softer edges and a groove for the flap to slip into automatically at full arm elongation. More important, the upper half of the machine was sculpted to conform more comfortably to the contours of Bonds' upper arm. Since 2001, the apparatus seems to have remained relatively unchanged.
Several years back, baseball was rightfully scandalized by the revelation that Sammy Sosa had "corked" his bat. The advantages conferred by the Bonds "hitting machine," however, far exceed anything supplied by cork. Ultimately, it appears the Bonds "achievement??? must be regarded as partly the product of ???double duplicity" -- steroidal and mechanical.
I have no doubt
Haha. True.
But "asshurt" will always be the Barry Bonds of SS lingo.
Straw Man is like a Eddie Murray.
But, if it gave you an advantage over your coworkers, and better opportunities for a raise/promotion/advancement, while risking your health and life, I would hope you would be banned from analyzing.
[JimBeam]Not if they had the opportunity to take it too[/JimBeam]
Personally, I love football, hoops, etc. But it's just a fuckin' game.
BTW, good for Barry in breaking the record. I was at Circuit City buying a TV when I saw it.
Now, THERE is a straw man...
Look. A spit ball doesn't kill the guy who throws it. Neither does pine tar.
Anyone can risk being caught doing those things; they risk their reputation and a punishment, and the integrity of the game. But not a life.
When you start making decisions that you are willing to compromise your own safety to succeed, and thereby punish those who are not willing to make the decision to risk their health, life, legal repercussions, etc. for a competitve advantage, then the stakes are much higher, and no level of tolerance should be accepted.
Post-strike, Homerun derby. They knew.
I agree. All I'm saying is the sports world is corrupt- at least, a bit shady. It's entertainment, that's all.