reasons why Paypal sucks #5006
meatyogre
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So I got a chargeback today from you guessed it, FRANCE. This asshole (soul-of-florida) wins a record with a SOUND CLIP INCLUDED, first emails me this: hi, I have received today this record and it is absolutly not incondition mentioned !!! it looks G+ and plays at G-- !!!! I'm veryangry about this grading and I want to be half priced refuded !! orI'll put a claim on paypal and leave negative feedbacks !!! cheers,Laurent.To which I responded with apology, and that I wouldnt refund half the price, but I would refund in full, as soon as he sends the record back. To which he responds...Are you mad or what !?? it have a LOT of clicks and pops !!! totallyinaudible with constant BIG background noises !!! overall big scratcheson it !!! the condition is G-- !! I don't have no more trust in youthat's why I won't send the record back to you !!! a record in thiscondition is normally 5$ !!!!! I paid it 76$ !! I proposed you torefund half of the price and you don't want to cooperate so I will makea paypal claim and be fully refunded !!!To which I sayLaurent, you have absolutely no reason not to trust me. I have sold650+ items this year, with no problems. You have a written gauranteethat I will refund the money in WHOLE. I have given you my word thatI will do this, as soon as the record arrives. I shipped your recordimmediately after payment, you can at least do me the favor of doingthe same. I don't understand also, if you heard the sound clip, andsaw the grading, how you can be so shocked? You said it was G+, whichis the same as VG-. I don't want to argue about this any longer, ifyou're a serious collector, you can stop with all this threatening mewith Paypal chargebacks, and just send the record back, get yourrefund and we can both be on our way. These games are silly, pleasejust send the record back already. Get tracking info for the record ifyou don't trust me. I've given you my address and phone number where Ilive, what else do you want from me to prove I'm not going to rip youoff.Andrewto which he saysAs I already told you. I have no more trust you. It's not garanteethat you will refund me. And I don't want to take a risk in sendingback the record. Your not a serious seller as your grading system isvery bad !! I'm not a child too, I'm a big collector and serious buyer.You're losing customers as I know most of the collector of the world inthat kind of music. It's easy for me to put a message about you on somevery famous forums !! and believe me, this will be very bad for youwith the impact. Refund me half, this is a kind of arrangment betweenyou and me and I promise I will not put a paypal claim. You knwo thatpaypal sucks and they give, all the time, all the rights to the buyerand not to the seller.Cheers,LaurentI get a nice chargeback today for 81.99, paypal will do nothing, and they basically tell me its my fault for accpeting a payment from an unverified country. Only US, UK and Canada are in Paypals range of verification supposedly. I am very angry at this fucking guy now, and I would whoop his fucking ass if he were in front of me.BENCHADI Laurent68, bd capitaine gezeBat A7 ambrosini13014 Marseille FranceI will pay anyone in the vicinity 81.99 to do it for me, and send me youtube proof.
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I'm still waiting for Google's payment system. You know they're going to come out with something that will kick Paypal's ass. If ever a company deserved to be shot and burried it's Paypal.
sounds like he knew what he was doing.. sorry to hear about this meaty.
I will not be acccepting paypal payment from France any more, besides the dudes with healthy and readable feedback. YAY!
And what's up with sellers who don't respond at all to emails and automatically invoice you with priority shipping (even though it states the media option)?
Like I said in my first post, this forum could do with a suspect ebay users thread so people can be updated on the bastards before hand.
I hear Zidanes not doing much latley and he's good with his head, perhaps send him round.
EDIT: Having read his feedback, he's only been registered since April, and has bought 50 odd itms, I suspect he's going to be doing a LOT more chargebacks, take a lot of neg's and pop up with another ID soon enough.
EDIT: EDIT Ignore me, I'm talkinh crap, all his feedback came from the same fella.
fuck that dude and fuck paypal
sorry that happened to you
Google has already set it up, but it's not what you think.[/b] They will be working with Paypal to keep customer information locked and sealed so it doesn't have to be entered on the internets (as I understand it). This is much more applicable to Amazon and Buy.com, but your wishes will not be granted.
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And only been a member for 3 months.
I'm betting you will see alot more of this in the future. People buying shit and then using tactics like this to get the item cheaper or free.
I wish eBay had more options for who you will accept bids from like if the person has more that 5 negatives than they cant bid or if they are not verified through paypal...
that sucks meaty. thanks for the records btw!
A suggestion to get at this French cocksucker: if people are going to stop offering Paypal - perhaps have a link to a page outlining Mr Ogre's experience and how this wanker has ruined it for everyone.
Meaty: I hope you get a taker for someone to kick his ass for said money.
maybe i'm just a lucky bastard but in all these years of record hunting i bought/sold records from/to all over the globe (really allover incl. peru, colombia, ecuador, asia, south africa, eastern europe... bla bla) i can't remember of any lost or damaged records (selling/buying) BUT i must say that the french post is the worst EVER... i had troubles with 5 parcels (lost, damaged) if not more plus several more MASSIVE delivery delays in both directions, okay... i'm a patient person, but with the thought in my head that the chance exists that (again) it will be lost, it's always like sitting on needles when a parcel is delayed... adding my best friends last year experience with a broken (probably only a small handful of copys known) killer AMHA LP for ??200+ which the post guy simply folded like a burrito... unbelieveable! of course the seller of this record also wasn't the most intelligent, packing it in one of these thin cardboard sleeves/mailers (can't call that package) without an extra cardboard piece... to write simply FRAGILE or NE PAS CASSER on it was maybe also to much work...
INSURANCE is a must or at least REGISTRATION to have a bit of safety (anyway, be prepaired to wait over half a year to get an answer from the french post)
my last parcel (cheapie) from france, about 2 months ago was covered ALL OVER with white cement... (will post a picture later) the record inside was safe but anyway... the seller (a friend) couldn't belive his eyes when i've send him a pic!
pfff... i'm happy i got that off my chest! works like a therapy after all these years of pressure...
must add: i know MANY reliable and very nice guys/dealers from france!
cheers
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I think that currently it only works for US sellers, and now you can transfer the money to your bank account. No more checks in the mail.
There's at least 5 threads a week discussing how such and such screwed someone over. That's why I don't fuck with eBay too much. Only with dudes that I've been buying from for years or someone that I feel absolutely comfortable with.
seriously.. i think with german bidders it's built that way (privacy laws like whoa) but frenchie has no excuse. private feedback with no negatives is OK but otherwise??
Let's just say, someone sells a record on ebay. And let's say the winner is in a foreign country...let's just say FRANCE for the sake of argument. I just threw a dart at a map and that's where it stuck. Let's say the high bidder receives the record but is a little bitch about it and files a complaint with Paypal, saying he never received it. Now in this HYPOTHETICAL situation, what's to stop the seller from packing up some old beat-to-shit Christopher Cross record, mailing that to the high bidder via DHL with tracking, and then submitting that tracking info to Paypal?
ethics, and a NM/NM Christopher Cross would work just fine.
see, this still won't work, because Paypal will not verify anyones address other than in the US, UK, or Canada. Its pointless to even bother with tracking in any of the other countries if you're doing paypal payments, because Paypal wont back you up for shit.