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why do YOU think HIP HOP DIED?????

Digger_Phelps_IIDigger_Phelps_II 174 Posts
edited January 2016 in Music Talk
just wondering what the opinions on here are, seeing as this is one of the more opinionated boards i visit. i've heard a sh*tload of reasons, some i agree with and some i dont (and some people feel it aint dead either). just wanted to hear(compile?) opinions from the soulstrut board. i just read an online interview with prince paul who felt that the sampling laws killed hip hop (which i disagee with but its just one of many opinions).......this thread would like to hear from YOU!
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  • Mike_BellMike_Bell 5,736 Posts
    20 pager.
  • On_the_Red_ClayOn_the_Red_Clay 1,728 Posts
    Hiphop died because of too much e-arguing
  • deejdeej 5,125 Posts
    [obligatory 'where were you the day hip-hop died?' talib kweli lyric]
  • noznoz 3,625 Posts
    blogs.
  • BigSpliffBigSpliff 3,266 Posts
    suburban white kids. The blogs came later.
  • DJBombjackDJBombjack Miami 1,665 Posts
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  • gloomgloom 2,765 Posts
    2000000000000000 pager.
  • soulrezsoulrez 565 Posts

  • ExtraExtraExtraExtra 209 Posts
    WHo gives a fuck. If it is dead to you, who is going to bring it back to life?




    hate to quote a backpack king on this one but..

    "the ones who are most nostalgic are the ones who never even a part of it"
  • thropethrope 750 Posts
    obviously you havent read the reasonable doubt thread. jay-z killed it, DUH
  • DrJoelDrJoel 932 Posts



    Was gonna post the picture of his album.

    For me personally i became much less interested when he started happening. i was already hunting down what really mattered to me, so i can't even say that he led to me looking deeper into the music for what i liked most. i think i was 16 or 17 when he put out his CD out.
  • DORDOR Two Ron Toe 9,903 Posts
    I don't believe that hip hop is dead. Just that everything in life moves in cycles. Just as hip hop will. I do agree to some point on paul's thoughts about sampling laws. If music is an art form. Sampling laws have then indeed crutched the making of future great hip hop albums. Maybe it's true that nobody could ever make another It Takes a Nation of... even if no sampling laws existed. But with how the laws are now, without a doubt nobody now could afford to produce it and get it released. Unless it was on some "I don't need to get paid, lets just rls it on the net, on some underground, nobody knows who I am" bullshit. To me, I've been around and buying and selling hip hop since the mid 80's. The one thing that I found appealing in the begining, was there were no rules. And sampling laws have crutched a big portion of the creative process of what hip hop was about.

    IMO
  • Digger_Phelps_IIDigger_Phelps_II 174 Posts
    here's a small sampling of reasons iv'e come accross:

    -sampling laws
    -hova retiring
    -emergence of southern dominance
    -lack of indy labels
    -bootlegging/downloading
    -REAL gangstas coming into hip hop!
    -hip hop was the next "disco"!
    -hip hop becoming a "business"
    -g-unit!
    -overpopulation
    -commercialism
    -"if you dont know where you came from........"
    -"diddy is the anti-christ"
  • ElectrodeElectrode Los Angeles 3,128 Posts
    Complications from pneumonia. Unhealthy eating habits may have been a factor, too.
  • faux_rillzfaux_rillz 14,343 Posts

  • HarveyCanalHarveyCanal "a distraction from my main thesis." 13,234 Posts
    When Big Daddy Kane became Father MC.

    When Primo paid for weed by letting Fat Joe rhyme on a track.

    When Goodfellas hit Nas's VCR.

    When Jay-Z first had a reason to laugh "ha ha".

    When Biggie rented that speedboat.
  • kitchenknightkitchenknight 4,922 Posts
    It died for me because I grew out of it, only listened to the stuff I already had.

    Doesn't mean its dead, though; Long live TI, and next year's version of TI, and the one after that...

    There will always be more teenagers to discover it. Hence, it will always live. You just might not care anymore.
  • DORDOR Two Ron Toe 9,903 Posts
    When Big Daddy Kane became Father MC.

    Umm, wasn't Father MC trying to be BDK???
  • DrJoelDrJoel 932 Posts
    When Big Daddy Kane became Father MC.

    When Primo paid for weed by letting Fat Joe rhyme on a track.

    When Goodfellas hit Nas's VCR.

    When Jay-Z first had a reason to laugh "ha ha".

    When Biggie rented that speedboat.

    This is great.

    For me, i identify a lot of this with the time period in which i stopped paying as much attention. Part of it too that was sort of a big blow was that i was the first guy to defended hip hop (in my own high school, get on my level, little guy way) to people who were hating on it. i always tried to explain the brilliance behind it and then to see it become watered down, comical, and about beats that go bip, blip, and boinnng, was just kind of a let down to me.

    At the same time there are as many people that love what i hate that i hate what they love, so really its all personal which is what being a fan is. i'm never gonna drop a record or play in a band so all i can comment is on how i connect.
  • anthonypearsonanthonypearson 2,442 Posts
    like all genres, when they become popularized, commercial interests overwhelm the art from and entropy kicks in. the same thing happened to disco, the same thing happened to rock and roll. the same thing happened to abstract expressionism.

    genres become parodies of themselves. too many people trying to be down, too many trying to cash in on a trend.

    thankfully there is more to hip hop than many other genres so it has some underlying sustainability and authenticity. as in any great art form, valid artists remain even as the genre is sinking.

    ...but don't feel bad about it, it is the natural order of things.
  • Digger_Phelps_IIDigger_Phelps_II 174 Posts
    When Big Daddy Kane became Father MC.

    When Primo paid for weed by letting Fat Joe rhyme on a track.
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    this is brilliant!
  • NiteKrawler45NiteKrawler45 1,062 Posts
    It's not dead, it's merely reforming the face underneath the skin. And certain parts are hybernating until the right time to emerge.

    I'm getting anxious for the next really change.
  • GropeGrope 2,970 Posts
    Shadow says "it's the money" that's killing hip hop (at least on my record).
  • FlomotionFlomotion 2,391 Posts

  • faux_rillzfaux_rillz 14,343 Posts
    This thread is ridiculous.

    At this point, hip-hop/rap is essentially Black music with a rhythmic spoken delivery, as opposed to a sung one--there are so many variations, that more precise definitions are impossible.

    Certain variations will pass in and out of style or will exhaust their creative possibilities, but why is it inevitable that such a broad form would ever die?

    Is "singing" going to die?

    You dudes kill me.
  • FlomotionFlomotion 2,391 Posts
    Hang on, I didn't think this was serious thread. Hip hop's dead?
  • anthonypearsonanthonypearson 2,442 Posts
    the question was not why did RAP die... it was why did HIP HOP die. this is a question about genre. rock and roll is dead. jazz is dead. if you don't beleive this you are kidding yourself.

    frankly i am really quite impressed that hip hop has sustained as long as it has. all genres die. changing times man. you don't see people rolling in top hats with beards anymore do you?
  • hogginthefogghogginthefogg 6,098 Posts
    You dudes kill hip-hop.
  • faux_rillzfaux_rillz 14,343 Posts
    the question was not why did RAP die... it was why did HIP HOP die.

    Oh, please, school me on the difference between rap and hip-hop, dude. GTFOOWTBS.
  • Jonny_PaycheckJonny_Paycheck 17,825 Posts
    rock and roll is dead. jazz is dead. if you don't beleive this you are kidding yourself.

    there are still good records coming out in all of these genres.
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