Alternatives to 4/4 patterns...
jandara
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I developped ear fatigue with 4/4 snare drum patterns lately. Been listening to a lot of Gil Scott Heron, Last Poets, Laurindo Almeida instead.I am looking for groovy tracks with no obvious 4/4 snare drum or rim shot patterns, tracks where piano riffs, percussions, voices or whatever are used to create syncopation. Afro, Latin Jazz, Calypso, Bossa stylee.Drop knowledge on me!
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do you mean grooves where the snares aren't necessarily on two and four? saying "4/4" is a bit misleading. i would bet that all the music you named is in a 4/4 time signature.
Any suggestions?
hahahha!
so you're saying, just play free jazz?
NO LONGER WILL I CONFORM TO THIS.
hell yes tonality and rhythm are PLEAYED OUT. eskimo raps over 'music for 18 musicians' and shit.
But it was really the meeting of the two, in the very beginnings of what would become jazz, that formed the 4/4 beat we know now. The enforced structure of European time, and the Syncopation of African rhythm.
As for music that isn???t your basic 4/4. Try African, Brazillian music. Or I would personally recommend anything that falls inbetween Jay Dee and Brokenbeat. There???s tons of it out there, listen to Benji B on 1xtra.
From where'd you hear that?
Which bit? Am I wrong?
The popular syncopation on two and four is correct, though. And its African origin.
I like the track "Strawberry Soup".
classic.
really you can superimpose any time signature against 4/4. a really good resource for this is a book called "The Art of Bop Drumming" by john riley... it's really good and easy to see different ways of breaking things up and learning to accent beats to make the simple 2 and 4 sound different.. and if you have a drum kit, it goes over lots of other things that a drummer should know..
good luck,
rob
That doesn't mean to say that Africans didn't use the 4/4 rhythm pattern before this. But they used may differing forms of rhythm without a rigidly defined structure. Europeans loved thier structure.
Africans were bought over as slaves, and therefore introduced to European music. As a result of which, they began to create new versions of African music and rhythm, that had influences from European music. That could not have existed without this coming together (of sorts). For example the cakewalk.
Cakewalk, led to ragtime, led to populisation and appropriation of 'black' music. And the western world's love affair with 4/4 time is born.
This is all from a very western centric point of view mind.
4/4 time relative to European music predates African slavery by at least a couple of centuries.
And the influence of African slaves on European music -- a music informed by Christianity and composed by those contracted by royalty -- seems very, very absurd.
I mean, if the "cakewalk" is your point of reference, you're off by half a millennium.
Fisrt off, this thread was about jazz. So I was trying, with my admittedly limited knowledge, to describe how syncopated form of 4/4 time in jazz came about. Not how 4/4 time in general came into existance.
Second, there is plenty of European folk music, that has been around since before christianity, that has nothing to do with royalty. Absurd I know.
If you know so much about this, why not say your piece, instead of just attacking what I say.
There's people spending their whole lives researching early music history, you don't have to, you know ... make shit up.
Yup, Don Ellis is known to be a specialist of those weird time signatures
What?! Was it kind of an inside joke? since take 5 is probably the most popular 5/4 song ever... or maybe even ONLY popular 5/4 song ever.
And I think some people are confusing time signatures with rhythm. 4/4 has been around forever. Slaves introduced african rhythms to western music. From the little african music that i've heard, the time signatures were all over the place a lot of times, not strictly 4/4.
Bach broke away from 4/4 all the time.
And beethoven was NOT black.
Debussy tried his hand at ragtime.
A lot of blues songs may 'sound' like they are just a slow 4/4, but are actually a syncopated 6/8.
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