well... don't get me wrong. it's not like i have the dark side poster on my bedroom wall or anything.
it is just that so much of this garage sounding psych stuff is a combination of bad vocals, blues rip offs, monotony on the shred guitar solo, and bad taste.
im a lot more tolerant of the garage/psych thing than you would be, i guess. i think the 13th floor elevators , or any other NUGGETS-type psych band with a punkish bent (like love or the blues magoos), are way superior to most of the San Francisco scene (or DARK SIDE). if i had to go that s.f. route i'd stick with the more basic s.f. bands who were all about the three-minute pop tune (moby grape, ccr, flamin' groovies, sly), or who were just savage hard-rockin' monsters (blue cheer). the proggish "jam" angle of the grateful dead, etc. doesn't work as well for me, but thats just my thing.
(although i do like early pink floyd from the sixties, but that's about it)
i guess i am feeling more skeptical as i close this auction today and i see records selling for $70 that sound like they should be $5.
Hey AP, is this in response to me recommending Chuck Trois? I think that record is pretty good, and not well known. Just curious Peace T.N.
no... this guys got some sexy psych moves. it is more like some of this private label ca ca. the major label stuff i find is much better most of the time but what am i saying... it is the same with soul singers. some horrid soul singers sell for $50 because they are private so i guess the same should go for rock. rear is rear. the collective star or whatever they are called are booty.
I never heard ANYONE talk about this, or seen it before I picked it up for cheap in a comic-book/porn-store, so I??ll consider it underappreciated, and it??s most definitely a masterpiece:
I am by no means a DeadHead, but you need to check out the third Lp down...amoxisomething or other. It's solid psych. Check out the track Rosemary!
If I had a nickel for every time someone told me I need to hear a certain GD album I'd be a rich brother. That is actually the only album I own by them...and again...
they are staight up american psych. I am by no means a DeadHead, but you need to check out the third Lp down...amoxisomething or other. It's solid psych. Check out the track Rosemary!
Got damn right! AOXOMOXOA is a dope album and not only because of the symetrical qualities of the pallindrome title and the hippie stoner artwork full of magic mushrooms, skulls and serpents. Mountains of the Moon has the crazy harpsichord, Whats Become of the Baby is serious acid weirdness. Cosmic Charlie, Doin' that Rag. I don't like the Dead's other stuff all that much but this album is pretty fire. Appreciate that!!!
they are staight up american psych. I am by no means a DeadHead, but you need to check out the third Lp down...amoxisomething or other. It's solid psych. Check out the track Rosemary!
Got damn right! AOXOMOXOA is a dope album and not only because of the symetrical qualities of the pallindrome title and the hippie stoner artwork full of magic mushrooms, skulls and serpents. Mountains of the Moon has the crazy harpsichord, Whats Become of the Baby is serious acid weirdness. Cosmic Charlie, Doin' that Rag. I don't like the Dead's other stuff all that much but this album is pretty fire. Appreciate that!!!
No wonder nobody liked the Hook-Up's psych mix.
hippie stoner artwork full of magic mushrooms, skulls and serpents
The artwork is about the only thing psych about the GD. Next folks will be telling me how psych this album is...
they are staight up american psych. I am by no means a DeadHead, but you need to check out the third Lp down...amoxisomething or other. It's solid psych. Check out the track Rosemary!
Got damn right! AOXOMOXOA is a dope album and not only because of the symetrical qualities of the pallindrome title and the hippie stoner artwork full of magic mushrooms, skulls and serpents. Mountains of the Moon has the crazy harpsichord, Whats Become of the Baby is serious acid weirdness. Cosmic Charlie, Doin' that Rag. I don't like the Dead's other stuff all that much but this album is pretty fire. Appreciate that!!!
No wonder nobody liked the Hook-Up's psych mix.
hippie stoner artwork full of magic mushrooms, skulls and serpents
The artwork is about the only thing psych about the GD. Next folks will be telling me how psych this album is...
Got damn right! AOXOMOXOA is a dope album and not only because of the symetrical qualities of the pallindrome title and the hippie stoner artwork full of magic mushrooms, skulls and serpents. Mountains of the Moon has the crazy harpsichord, Whats Become of the Baby is serious acid weirdness. Cosmic Charlie, Doin' that Rag. I don't like the Dead's other stuff all that much but this album is pretty fire. Appreciate that!!!
No wonder nobody liked the Hook-Up's psych mix.
I knew I shoulda put some real, far-out-brain-melting-look-at-yourself-and-destroy-your-ego psychedelic ass kickers like "Truckin'" ...I know, I know that isnt on AOXOXOX-whatever...but I have to agree with shing,the Dead is about as psych as that goddamn ice cream named after J-dogg
If I had a nickel for every time someone told me I need to hear a certain GD album I'd be a rich brother. That is actually the only album I own by them...and again...
I knew I shoulda put some real, far-out-brain-melting-look-at-yourself-and-destroy-your-ego psychedelic ass kickers like "Truckin'" ...I know, I know that isnt on AOXOXOX-whatever...but I have to agree with shing,the Dead is about as psych as that goddamn ice cream named after J-dogg
I'm sorry to say this but you guys sound like total idiots here. The dead became a weird jam band cash cow country rock prog outfit only after about the mid 70's. Working mans dead was reallt their first aproach at a country-rock/american sound and we aren't discussing that record or any after it for that matter. These albums relesed in the late 60's are pretty much classic psych/acid rock. I know it's cool to hate the dead but there is no way to get around the psychness of these 4 records. Go read the reviews on allmusic.com No, "Truckin'" is not a psych song. It's also not on these 4 records dudes (which you admit, so why use it as an example?). Please to get your dissing straight if you are gonna do it. These records consist of psych songs like the ones somebody mentioned up above, folk songs and some pretty straight white boy blues. If they were private press raer ya'll would be filling your tighties up w/ bloody stool to be sure. They might not be all fuzz gutar and drummers that can't keep time but they are still psych. Just in case any of ya'll don't know what psych is, here is the allmusic stance on it:
"Psychedelic rock emerged in the mid-'60s, as British Invasion and folk-rock bands began expanding the sonic possibilities of their music. Instead of confining themselves to the brief, concise verse-chorus-verse patterns of rock & roll, they moved toward more free-form, fluid song structures. Just as important ??? if not more so ??? the groups began incorporating elements of Indian and Eastern music and free-form jazz to their sound, as well as experimenting with electronically altering instruments and voices within the recording studio. Initially, around 1965 and 1966, bands like the Yardbirds and the Byrds broke down the boundaries for psychedelia, creating swirling layers of fuzz-toned guitars, sitars, and chanted vocals. Soon, numerous groups followed their pattern, including the Beatles and the Rolling Stones, both of whom recorded psychedelia in 1966. In no time, groups on both sides of the Atlantic embraced the possibilities of the new genre, and the differences were notable. In Britain, psychedelia tended to be whimsical and surrealistic. Nevertheless, bands ??? most notably Pink Floyd and Traffic ??? played extended instrumentals that relied on improvisation as much as their American contemporaries the Grateful Dead, the Doors, Love, and Jefferson Airplane. In other corners of America, garage bands began playing psychedelic rock without abandoning their raw, amateurish foundation of three-chord rock ??? they just layered in layers of distortion, feedback, and effects. Eventually, psychedelic evolved into acid rock, heavy metal, and art rock, but there continued to be revivals of psychedelia in the decades that followed, most notably in the American underground of the mid-'80s."
If I had a nickel for every time someone told me I need to hear a certain GD album I'd be a rich brother. That is actually the only album I own by them...and again...
I knew I shoulda put some real, far-out-brain-melting-look-at-yourself-and-destroy-your-ego psychedelic ass kickers like "Truckin'" ...I know, I know that isnt on AOXOXOX-whatever...but I have to agree with shing,the Dead is about as psych as that goddamn ice cream named after J-dogg
I'm sorry to say this but you guys sound like total idiots here. The dead became a weird jam band cash cow country rock prog outfit only after about the mid 70's. Working mans dead was reallt their first aproach at a country-rock/american sound and we aren't discussing that record or any after it for that matter. These albums relesed in the late 60's are pretty much classic psych/acid rock. I know it's cool to hate the dead but there is no way to get around the psychness of these 4 records. Go read the reviews on allmusic.com No, "Truckin'" is not a psych song. It's also not on these 4 records dudes (which you admit, so why use it as an example?). Please to get your dissing straight if you are gonna do it. These records consist of psych songs like the ones somebody mentioned up above, folk songs and some pretty straight white boy blues. If they were private press raer ya'll would be filling your tighties up w/ bloody stool to be sure.
They might not be all fuzz gutar and drummers that can't keep time but they are still psych. Just in case any of ya'll don't know what psych is, here is the allmusic stance on it:
"Psychedelic rock emerged in the mid-'60s, as British Invasion and folk-rock bands began expanding the sonic possibilities of their music. Instead of confining themselves to the brief, concise verse-chorus-verse patterns of rock & roll, they moved toward more free-form, fluid song structures. Just as important ??? if not more so ??? the groups began incorporating elements of Indian and Eastern music and free-form jazz to their sound, as well as experimenting with electronically altering instruments and voices within the recording studio. Initially, around 1965 and 1966, bands like the Yardbirds and the Byrds broke down the boundaries for psychedelia, creating swirling layers of fuzz-toned guitars, sitars, and chanted vocals. Soon, numerous groups followed their pattern, including the Beatles and the Rolling Stones, both of whom recorded psychedelia in 1966. In no time, groups on both sides of the Atlantic embraced the possibilities of the new genre, and the differences were notable. In Britain, psychedelia tended to be whimsical and surrealistic. Nevertheless, bands ??? most notably Pink Floyd and Traffic ??? played extended instrumentals that relied on improvisation as much as their American contemporaries the Grateful Dead, the Doors, Love, and Jefferson Airplane. In other corners of America, garage bands began playing psychedelic rock without abandoning their raw, amateurish foundation of three-chord rock ??? they just layered in layers of distortion, feedback, and effects. Eventually, psychedelic evolved into acid rock, heavy metal, and art rock, but there continued to be revivals of psychedelia in the decades that followed, most notably in the American underground of the mid-'80s."
i guess we are going to have to agree to disagree with this topic....psychedelic music to me means a whole of different things than the typical first(commercial) wave of hippy music. There were a lot of psychedelic bands that were actally psychedelic from the bay area(i.e. fifty foot hose, blue cheer, etc) also the thread was about underapprciated bands...the dead are hardly underappreciated, and also if it was some private pressed, I know I wouldnt be soiling my underoos, because to me the dead, new riders and all of that country/folk/"acid" rock is not trippy in the least to me...here are some joints I consider psych( by the way the drummers are all top notch and not all the guitars are fuzz, I understand inside and outside playing as much as anyone):
hell I will even go out on a limb and say I recorded an LP WAY more psych than any dead LP(even though the drummer is weak I have to admit)
also to me this joint is the first psych record..1954
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what is it?
Hey AP, is this in response to me recommending Chuck Trois? I think that record is pretty good, and not well known.
Just curious
Peace
T.N.
isn't that one of those 800 dollar records on the AP shreddingbloodstoolmegamix?
im a lot more tolerant of the garage/psych thing than you would be, i guess. i think the 13th floor elevators , or any other NUGGETS-type psych band with a punkish bent (like love or the blues magoos), are way superior to most of the San Francisco scene (or DARK SIDE). if i had to go that s.f. route i'd stick with the more basic s.f. bands who were all about the three-minute pop tune (moby grape, ccr, flamin' groovies, sly), or who were just savage hard-rockin' monsters (blue cheer). the proggish "jam" angle of the grateful dead, etc. doesn't work as well for me, but thats just my thing.
(although i do like early pink floyd from the sixties, but that's about it)
i wish!!!
no... this guys got some sexy psych moves. it is more like some of this private label ca ca. the major label stuff i find is much better most of the time but what am i saying... it is the same with soul singers. some horrid soul singers sell for $50 because they are private so i guess the same should go for rock. rear is rear. the collective star or whatever they are called are booty.
raer
Peace
T.N.
what up?
Peace
T.N.
Absolutely fantastic record, highly recommended.
- J
I am by no means a DeadHead, but you need to check out the third Lp down...amoxisomething or other. It's solid psych. Check out the track Rosemary!
Cosign, especially:
If I had a nickel for every time someone told me I need to hear a certain GD album I'd be a rich brother. That is actually the only album I own by them...and again...
I guess we have different definitions of what psych is, thought maybe we could meet halfway, oh well.
I knew I shoulda put some real, far-out-brain-melting-look-at-yourself-and-destroy-your-ego psychedelic ass kickers like "Truckin'" ...I know, I know that isnt on AOXOXOX-whatever...but I have to agree with shing,the Dead is about as psych as that goddamn ice cream named after J-dogg
I can't believe no one's mentioned The Vagina Stipulation.
"Psychedelic rock emerged in the mid-'60s, as British Invasion and folk-rock bands began expanding the sonic possibilities of their music. Instead of confining themselves to the brief, concise verse-chorus-verse patterns of rock & roll, they moved toward more free-form, fluid song structures. Just as important ??? if not more so ??? the groups began incorporating elements of Indian and Eastern music and free-form jazz to their sound, as well as experimenting with electronically altering instruments and voices within the recording studio. Initially, around 1965 and 1966, bands like the Yardbirds and the Byrds broke down the boundaries for psychedelia, creating swirling layers of fuzz-toned guitars, sitars, and chanted vocals. Soon, numerous groups followed their pattern, including the Beatles and the Rolling Stones, both of whom recorded psychedelia in 1966. In no time, groups on both sides of the Atlantic embraced the possibilities of the new genre, and the differences were notable. In Britain, psychedelia tended to be whimsical and surrealistic. Nevertheless, bands ??? most notably Pink Floyd and Traffic ??? played extended instrumentals that relied on improvisation as much as their American contemporaries the Grateful Dead, the Doors, Love, and Jefferson Airplane. In other corners of America, garage bands began playing psychedelic rock without abandoning their raw, amateurish foundation of three-chord rock ??? they just layered in layers of distortion, feedback, and effects. Eventually, psychedelic evolved into acid rock, heavy metal, and art rock, but there continued to be revivals of psychedelia in the decades that followed, most notably in the American underground of the mid-'80s."
Really, It's all about:
Mother Tucker's Yellow Duck - "I" (45 only)
i guess we are going to have to agree to disagree with this topic....psychedelic music to me means a whole of different things than the typical first(commercial) wave of hippy music. There were a lot of psychedelic bands that were actally psychedelic from the bay area(i.e. fifty foot hose, blue cheer, etc) also the thread was about underapprciated bands...the dead are hardly underappreciated, and also if it was some private pressed, I know I wouldnt be soiling my underoos, because to me the dead, new riders and all of that country/folk/"acid" rock is not trippy in the least to me...here are some joints I consider psych( by the way the drummers are all top notch and not all the guitars are fuzz, I understand inside and outside playing as much as anyone):
hell I will even go out on a limb and say I recorded an LP WAY more psych than any dead LP(even though the drummer is weak I have to admit)
also to me this joint is the first psych record..1954
Psyche masterpiece for life !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Seb