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A quiet rumbling...

CosmoCosmo 9,768 Posts
edited September 2005 in Strut Central
... saying.People are pissed.People also are talking that they don't want to go back to sleep.Are we witnessing a tipping point (no buzzword) in progress?Just wondering what's going to happen. I'm ready though.
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  • CosmoCosmo 9,768 Posts
    yeah



    shit is well beyond overdue

    Yeah I know... but that doesn't guarantee that it will.




    But what do you[/b] think?

    I know how I[/b] feel.

    But I'm unsure because I've never really seen this.


















    People are still dazed. What's going to happen when the shock subsides? When we move into the next phase in the process of grief?
  • street_muzikstreet_muzik 3,919 Posts
    I hope so. I'm sure they are coming up with some sort of distraction scheme as we speak.
  • 33thirdcom33thirdcom 2,049 Posts
    distraction was killing the chief justice. the plans are already underway...

    Don't watch the hand that is distracting you...

    nah mean?

    they are too good at "misdirection". they learned too much from the 60s and 70s... Someone just needs to aim for the head.

  • dayday 9,611 Posts
    Some scary shit.



    I thought about this being the catalyst though.

    You're more in the thick of folks than where I'm at so I'll trust you know the time.



    Time to stockpile...





























































  • CosmoCosmo 9,768 Posts
    Something EVENTUALLY has to be the catalyst...





















    Something.
  • dayday 9,611 Posts
    You know man, they are MORE than prepared for that shit with sonic weapons and who knows what else (and no, i'm not making that shit up).

    I just don't know what's what anymore.

    I said this on day 4.
  • CosmoCosmo 9,768 Posts
    Yeah I know man, but I don't want to go back to sleep, dog.
  • SwayzeSwayze 14,705 Posts
    You know man, they are MORE than prepared for that shit with sonic weapons and who knows what else (and no, i'm not making that shit up).

  • VagabondVagabond 417 Posts
    Gotta duck those dis-tractor beams folls. Stay AWAKE peoples.
  • DelayDelay 4,530 Posts
    dude.

    saturday, i went to get some lunch w/ filthymoses at brooklyn dugout. we were starving. ordered some burgers, fries and eggcreams. so we sat there watching MSNBC... it said on the TV that some country pledged $15 million in assistance to NOLA as the waitress served our lunch. the owner, standing next to us, looking at the tv, said, "great. give all that money to the spooks."

    I looked at him square in the face, "What the FUCK did you just say?!?"

    him, "uhhhhh, they're gonna give that money to the people" all shook.

    i threw the ketchup bottle, and we walked out. It was really all I could do not to break that dude's skull. I lost my appetite.

    fuck this shit!
  • CosmoCosmo 9,768 Posts
    dude.

    saturday, i went to get some lunch w/ filthymoses at brooklyn dugout. we were starving. ordered some burgers, fries and eggcreams. so we sat there watching MSNBC... it said on the TV that some country pledged $15 million in assistance to NOLA as the waitress served our lunch. the owner, standing next to us, looking at the tv, said, "great. give all that money to the spooks."

    I looked at him square in the face, "What the FUCK did you just say?!?"

    him, "uhhhhh, they're gonna give that money to the people" all shook.

    i threw the ketchup bottle, and we walked out. It was really all I could do not to break that dude's skull. I lost my appetite.

    fuck this shit!

    Where was that Tom?
  • dayday 9,611 Posts
    dude.

    saturday, i went to get some lunch w/ filthymoses at brooklyn dugout. we were starving. ordered some burgers, fries and eggcreams. so we sat there watching MSNBC... it said on the TV that some country pledged $15 million in assistance to NOLA as the waitress served our lunch. the owner, standing next to us, looking at the tv, said, "great. give all that money to the spooks."

    I looked at him square in the face, "What the FUCK did you just say?!?"

    him, "uhhhhh, they're gonna give that money to the people" all shook.

    i threw the ketchup bottle, and we walked out. It was really all I could do not to break that dude's skull. I lost my appetite.

    fuck this shit!

    EXACTLY

    I've been seeing other shit in people popping out from all this too.

    Maybe Cosmo's right.

    And maybe dude should pick up his phone.
  • HAZHAZ 3,376 Posts
    Are we witnessing a tipping point (no buzzword) in progress?

    I hope so.
  • CosmoCosmo 9,768 Posts
    dude.

    saturday, i went to get some lunch w/ filthymoses at brooklyn dugout. we were starving. ordered some burgers, fries and eggcreams. so we sat there watching MSNBC... it said on the TV that some country pledged $15 million in assistance to NOLA as the waitress served our lunch. the owner, standing next to us, looking at the tv, said, "great. give all that money to the spooks."

    I looked at him square in the face, "What the FUCK did you just say?!?"

    him, "uhhhhh, they're gonna give that money to the people" all shook.

    i threw the ketchup bottle, and we walked out. It was really all I could do not to break that dude's skull. I lost my appetite.

    fuck this shit!

    EXACTLY

    I've been seeing other shit in people popping out from all this too.

    Maybe Cosmo's right.

    And maybe dude should pick up his phone.

    Who me? Did you call me?

  • DelayDelay 4,530 Posts
    COOK and WAITRESS NEEDED
    Reply to: [email]job-89609103@craigslist.org[/email]
    Date: 2005-08-08, 1:41PM EDT


    Cook and Waitress needed in trendy Williamsburg luncheonette.

    Full and part-time positions available.
    Apply in person at: Brooklyn's Dugout 112 Berry St. between N7th and N8th St. one block off of Bedford St.
    ask for Anthony



    Job location is Williamsburg

  • dayday 9,611 Posts




    Yes, I called you Cosmo, but I'm about to take my kid outside for a bit, drink a beer and turn off my mental for as long as i'll let myself (which is around 20 minutes).



    holler
  • CosmoCosmo 9,768 Posts
    in trendy Williamsburg





    oh the IRONY!

    Does that cancel itself out? Being ironic about an ironic place?

    Yes, I called you Cosmo, but I'm about to take my kid outside for a bit, drink a beer and turn off my mental for as long as i'll let myself (which is around 20 minutes).

    holler

    Okay you do that. Wifey just got home and we're gonna lamp for a while.

    Plus my cell don't work half the time in my studio so...

    Get @ me luego.
  • DelayDelay 4,530 Posts
    thing is, there's nothing trendy about that place. it's a neighborhood Yankee fan spot. that's why i went there. now i want to burn it down.
  • prof_rockwellprof_rockwell 2,867 Posts
    The Austin Chronicle
    HOME: APRIL 29, 2005: COLUMNS AND FEATURES: LETTERS AT 3AM

    Letters at 3AM

    BY MICHAEL VENTURA

    America is over. America is like Wile E. Coyote after he's run out a few
    paces past the edge of the cliff - he'll take a few more steps in midair
    before he looks down. Then, when he sees that there's nothing under him,
    he'll fall. Many Americans suspect that they're running on thin air, but
    they haven't looked down yet. When they do ...

    Former Federal Reserve Board Chairman Paul Volcker, a pillar of the
    Establishment with access to economic information beyond our reach, wrote
    recently: "Circumstances seem to me as dangerous and intractable as any I
    can remember. ... What really concerns me is that there seems to be so
    little willingness or capacity to do anything about it" (quoted in The
    Economist, April 16, p.12). Volcker chooses words carefully: "dangerous and
    intractable," "willingness or capacity." He's saying: The situation is
    probably beyond our powers to remedy.

    Gas prices can only go up. Oil production is at or near peak capacity. The
    U.S. must compete for oil with China, the fastest-growing colossus in
    history. But the U.S. also must borrow $2 billion a day to remain solvent,
    nearly half of that from China and her neighbors, while they supply most of
    our manufacturing ("Benson's Economic and Market Trends," quoted in Asia
    Times Online) - so we have no cards to play with China, even militarily.
    (You can't war with the bankers who finance your army and the factories that
    supply your stores.) China now determines oil demand, and the U.S. has no
    long-term way to influence prices. That means $4 a gallon by next spring,
    and rising - $5, then $6, probably $10 by 2010 or thereabouts. Their economy
    can afford it; ours can't. We may hobble along with more or less the same
    way of life for the next dollar or so of hikes, but at around $4 America
    changes. Drastically.

    The "exburbs" and the rural poor will feel it first and hardest. Exburbians
    moved to the farthest reaches of suburbia for cheap real estate, willing to
    drive at least an hour each way to work. Many live marginally now. What
    happens when their commute becomes prohibitively expensive, just as interest
    rates and inflation rise, while their property values plummet? Urban real
    estate will go up, so they won't be able to live near their jobs - and
    there's nowhere else to go. In addition, thanks to Congress' recent
    shameless activity, bankruptcy is no longer an option for many. What happens
    to these people? Exburb refugees. A modern Dust Bowl.

    For the rural poor it's even worse. They are the poorest among us, with no
    assets and few skills; they earn the lowest nonimmigrant wages in America,
    and they must drive. When gas hits $4, their already below-the-margin life
    will be unsustainable. They'll have no choice but to be refugees and join in
    the modern Dust Bowl migration. So, too, will people who live where people
    were never intended to live in such numbers - places like Phoenix and Vegas,
    unlivable without air conditioning and water transport (energy prices will
    rise across the board, regular brownouts, blackouts, and faucet-drips will
    be "the new normal" everywhere). In the desert cities, real estate will
    plunge, thousands will be ruined, most will leave - while all over the
    country folks will have to get used to "hot" and "cold" again.

    But where will the new refugees go, and what will they do when they get
    there? They will migrate to the more livable cities, where rents are already
    unreasonable and social services are already strained, and where the new
    refugees will compete with immigrants for the lowest-level housing and jobs.
    Immigration issues will intensify to hysteria. Native-born Americans will
    clamor for work that only legal and illegal aliens do now. In a culture as
    prone to violence as ours, that will probably get ugly. Meanwhile, suburbs
    and cities will be in various states of chaos, depending on their
    infrastructure. As inflation and interest rates rise, and the real estate
    bubble bursts, millions will see their assets plunge precipitously. In five
    years, many who are now well-off will live as the marginal live today, while
    the marginal will sink into poverty. With gas at $4-plus a gallon, real
    estate values will depend on nearness to working centers and access to
    transportation. As has already happened in Manhattan, the well-off will head
    for what are now slums, and the slum-dwellers will go God-knows-where.
    Places with decent rail service will be prime. Places without rail service
    will be in deep trouble.

    One key to America's future will be: How quickly can we build or rebuild
    heavy and light rail? And where will we get the money to do it? Railroads
    are the cheapest transport, the easiest to sustain, and the only solution to
    a post-automobile America. (For reasons I haven't space to detail, hybrid
    cars and alternative energy won't cut it, if by "cut it" one means retaining
    anything like the present standard of living. See James Howard Kunstler's
    "The Long Emergency" on Rolling Stone's Web site. Also check Mike Ruppert's
    site www.fromthewilderness.com and the documentary The End of Suburbia.) A
    massive investment in railroad infrastructure could offer jobs to the
    unskilled and skilled alike, absorb much of the inevitable population
    displacement, and create a new social equilibrium 10 or 15 years down the
    line. Old RR cities like Grand Junction, Colo.; Amarillo, Texas; and
    Albuquerque, N.M., could become vital centers, offering new lives for the
    displaced. Railroads are key, but the question is: how to finance them?

    There's only one section of our economy that has that kind of money: the
    military budget. The U.S. now spends more on its military than all other
    nations combined. A sane transit to a post-automobile America will require a
    massive shift from military to infrastructure spending. That shift would be
    supported by our bankers in China and Europe (that is, they would continue
    to finance our debt) because it's in their interests that we regain economic
    viability. What's not in their interests is that we remain a military
    superpower.

    And that's where things get really interesting. The question becomes:

    Can America face reality? If the government responds to the coming changes
    by attempting to remain a superpower no matter what, there is no way to
    underestimate the harm. The numbers speak for themselves. Soon we'll no
    longer have the resources to remain a military superpower and sustain a
    livable society that is anything like what we know today. It happened to
    England; it happened to Russia; it's about to happen to us. England
    sustained the transformation more or less gracefully; it lost its dominance
    while retaining its essential character. Russia is still in a period of
    transformation, but has remained a player thanks to its oil reserves. Europe
    in general - France, Germany, Italy, and Spain (all world powers in the
    fairly recent past) - is creating a post-national society, the most
    experimental form of governance since America's revolution. We have no
    appreciable oil, and we no longer have a manufacturing base. So what will
    the United States do? Sanely recognize its declining status and act
    accordingly, or make one last ignoble stab to retain its position by force?

    Half a century ago James Baldwin wrote: "Confronted with the impossibility
    of remaining faithful to one's beliefs, and the equal impossibility of
    becoming free of them, one can be driven to the most inhuman excesses."
    Americans believe they're "No. 1," destined to lead the world. That is the
    America that's over. If we insist on that illusion, then this world is in
    for tough times. We will neither hold on to what we have nor create what we
    might have, but we will wreak untold harm (if we don't destroy the species
    altogether). Or we can face and embrace reality. And that reality is: There
    is no such thing as "No. 1" ... there is no such thing as an ideal destined
    country that is better than any other ... there is only us, doing the best
    we can, trying to live free and sanely, within limits that are about to
    become only too clear. Our glory days are done. What's next?

    Remember, we're not talking about the far future. We're talking about the
    next decade. No country gets two centuries anymore. The 21st will be
    China's century. That's what $4-plus a gallon means, and nothing can stop
    it. So: How will we change? But the question "How will we change?" is really
    the question "How will I change?" Because history isn't a spectator sport.
    It's you and me. Everything depends on whether we side with reality or
    illusion. Face reality, and we have a chance. Cling to illusion, and we are
    lost. The America we've known is over - very soon. The America we can create
    is up to us.

    Copyright ?? 2005 Austin Chronicle Corporation. All rights reserved.
    http://www.austinchronicle.com/issues/dispatch/2005-04-29/cols_ventura.html





    To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are
    to stand by the
    president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, it is
    morally treasonable to
    the American public.

    Theodore Roosevelt

  • ZekeZeke 221 Posts
    Would I like to see something[/b] happen?
    Yes.

    Do I think it will?
    Absolutely not. People are too complacent. There have been a lot of rumblings in the circle of people I run with here.. well-equipped and intelligent men and women are saying, "Now!" but how many people are really willing to potentially throw it all away to act? I know a few, but not enough. Urban guerilla tactics against such an oppressive force require much more organization than I honestly believe will be allowed to happen. Talking about it online serves it's purpose but it has to go beyond discourse.

    Just my 2 cents.

    Peace (in our lifetime),
    Zeke
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  • VagabondVagabond 417 Posts
    Oh shit, I didn't see Day already used that picture.
  • GrafwritahGrafwritah 4,184 Posts
    Just try to keep in perspective how much bullshit has gone on in various administrations. Nixon and Reagan are excellent examples, and just the tip of the iceberg. It's important to be on top of things but you can't let this shit run you. It's important, but not that important, especially given the effect that any one of us can have on the overall political situation.


    This, on the other hand, is of the utmost importance. Not only is it amazingly more positive, you as an individual have a huge amount of influence and can use it for the better.



    Sometimes you just gotta put shit in perspective.

  • GrafwritahGrafwritah 4,184 Posts
    The debate on auto dependence has long been going on. Most European countries keep gas prices ridiculously high (above the $4+ mark that the author talks about) to depress auto usage and emphasize public transportation and a concentrated populus.

    They don't have the sprawl that we have in the US, and seem to be better about maintaining their cities.



    In the short term, yes, a bitch - but if this does happen, in the long term it will drastically affect the environment for the better.
  • funky16cornersfunky16corners 7,175 Posts
    yeah



    shit is well beyond overdue

    Not to mention that NOLA is going to be a long term problem, not only in the salvage/salvation of the city, but the peripheral problems with the displaced citizens assimilating into their new locations, temporarily or permanently. I don't think Bush is going to be able to seep this under the rug anytime soon...
  • Birdman9Birdman9 5,417 Posts
    yeah



    shit is well beyond overdue

    Not to mention that NOLA is going to be a long term problem, not only in the salvage/salvation of the city, but the peripheral problems with the displaced citizens assimilating into their new locations, temporarily or permanently. I don't think Bush is going to be able to seep this under the rug anytime soon...

    The power of the dark side is strong in this group...

    But keep the faith, baby!

  • batmonbatmon 27,574 Posts
    dude.

    saturday, i went to get some lunch w/ filthymoses at brooklyn dugout. we were starving. ordered some burgers, fries and eggcreams. so we sat there watching MSNBC... it said on the TV that some country pledged $15 million in assistance to NOLA as the waitress served our lunch. the owner, standing next to us, looking at the tv, said, "great. give all that money to the spooks."

    I looked at him square in the face, "What the FUCK did you just say?!?"

    him, "uhhhhh, they're gonna give that money to the people" all shook.

    i threw the ketchup bottle, and we walked out. It was really all I could do not to break that dude's skull. I lost my appetite.

    fuck this shit!

    Good for you, Delay.

    Im sorry folks, but I think Americans will fall right back in line once this shit simmers down.
  • Jonny_PaycheckJonny_Paycheck 17,825 Posts
    dude.

    saturday, i went to get some lunch w/ filthymoses at brooklyn dugout. we were starving. ordered some burgers, fries and eggcreams. so we sat there watching MSNBC... it said on the TV that some country pledged $15 million in assistance to NOLA as the waitress served our lunch. the owner, standing next to us, looking at the tv, said, "great. give all that money to the spooks."

    I looked at him square in the face, "What the FUCK did you just say?!?"

    him, "uhhhhh, they're gonna give that money to the people" all shook.

    i threw the ketchup bottle, and we walked out. It was really all I could do not to break that dude's skull. I lost my appetite.

    fuck this shit!

    Good for you, Delay.

    Im sorry folks, but I think Americans will fall right back in line once this shit simmers down.

    I think Americans already are. I think many, many people see this as not their problem and good ol George just did the best he could. I mean, who knew?

    BARF.
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