Are DVDs done?

Controller_7Controller_7 4,052 Posts
edited August 2014 in Strut Central
Are DVDs coming to a close?

I think we'll still see big time movies and maybe studio flops (hoping to recoup), but has the end come for everything else?

I have this thing about owning shows I really like. I'm not really this way about movies, but I like to collect tv shows I really liked. I don't necessarily watch them again, but I might, and I can. Recently, I've noticed some things just aren't making it on to DVD. The one that made me think about it is season 3 of Louie. The only thing that exists is a burn on demand version from Amazon that, based on reviews, is basically just a rip of the digital files from the show. Cursing is bleeped, no extras or commentary. I'm not going to but something I could basically make myself with a torrent. Plus, the reviews say the files don't work or episodes are blank. $20 something for what is essentially a bad bootleg.

Is that show not big enough to get a real DVD and some commentary?

So, with On Demand, playstations, xboxes, netflix, etc, are DVDs done? Are people happy buying the no frills $3-5 an episode deal? Having a hard drive full of files? I get the convenience, but a DVD is pretty convenient too.

I'm not so crazy that I can't realize there's a shift happening and it's logical in a lot of ways. Maybe the digital files will soon come with extras? I like to feel like I've purchased something comprehensive.

Anybody else still buy DVDs? Blu rays? Have I reached full "get off my lawn"?
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  • DORDOR Two Ron Toe 9,901 Posts
    http://www.geeksandbeats.com/2014/08/wkrp-in-cincinnati-dvd-series-with-original-music-to-be-released-by-shout-factory/

    "wants to include as much of the original music that was in the original series."


    I never really buy DVD's any more. But cheap blurays I will.

    Mostly enjoy netflix (But the Canadian version is lacking) with the use of a DNS service so I can watch different regions. While also using the DNS service to watch BBC, US networks, HULU, etc etc etc.

    Running Plex for all my media while also using it to watch most web sites.

  • DuderonomyDuderonomy Haut de la Garenne 7,786 Posts
    At the moment isn't everything online for free (sometimes with detective work)? I still think the big movies will make it to DVD, eg Teh Hobbit box set is still going to happen.

  • JimsterJimster Cruffiton.etsy.com 6,902 Posts
    I've got no room in my gaff so than fewk for digital. The kids have 'em in the bedrooms but I have embraced the future in this respect.

    All on a big N.A.S. in the corner, stream it round the yard.

    My dad (the hoarder) has a ridiculous amount of DVDs and I vowed never to let my own domicile resemble an unattended thift-store warehouse.

  • batmonbatmon 27,574 Posts
    im over at the bluray forums and dvds/physical media is not dead yet.....

    Best buy used to separate dvd from bluray and now the eisles have shrunk and formats merged.

    the video quality for a dvd with todays flatscreens are kinda subpar.

    Major studios have been all for streaming, but wireless isnt commonplace.

    there are joints that are on VHS that never made it to DVD.
    and there are joints that are DVD and never got to Bluray.

    And even when u do get a Bluray of a dvd released classic some of the special features like commentaries and behind the scene can get lost in the sauce.

    but yeah down the line i think dvd and blu will be like vinyl. a super niche collectors media.

    im getting that wack ass Spider man 2 on tuesday w the 7.1 audio and 3D.

  • OkemOkem 4,617 Posts
    I was in a secondhand dvd shop not to long ago and had a conversation with the owner about whether these things still really held any value. Obviously he insisted they did, and that the key was knowing what was worth money, which seems obvious, but don't how much longer it'll be true. I was looking at dvds that I coveted when they were released but I didn't have the cash to grip them at the time, I have the money now and could get them a half the price, but I wont buy them because, a. I could probably get them for free or cheaply online. b. i don't really feel the need to clutter the place up with endless physical media. I still buy cheap blurays and the occasional boxset, but the majority of my media is now consumed through streaming and downloads.

    That said, if it could be done at a reasonable price I love to hire out a 3d projector and some movies and have a marathon 3d home cinema session, but buying one just to watch a couple of films seems a waste. I imagine most people see 3d as a luxury they can live without, so that aint going to save physical media.

  • batmonbatmon 27,574 Posts
    Like MP3, streaming flicks is the inferior audio/video experience.

    Apocalypse Now Bluray w/ a home theater > streamed w/ flatscreen speakers.

    I grew up on B&W tv and shit so im no snob, but once you see a great classic film thats been properly restored, run through a decent home theater, theres no comparison t o watching a flick on Netflix or some digital bootleg.



    There are some great Blu-Rays out there that really push the fuck outta a decent home set-up.

    I understand folks not wanting gangs of CDs DVDs and shit taking up space.

    But ill present the same argument to music nerds that hold on to their superior physical media....wax, cassettes, cds.

    Compression = The Devil.

  • gifted a majority of a 1000+ strong DVD collection during my last move and only hung on to criterion collection, special box set, or sentimental ones. two, maybe three shelves tops.

    if it doesn't have a paper sleeve or a book it gets the bozack.

  • GaryGary 3,982 Posts
    We buy DVDs for the kids to watch in the car on trips. the headrest dvd player doesn't do blu-ray so they better not go away dammit.

  • kicks79kicks79 1,334 Posts
    Our house is full up with shelves of dvds.
    Most of which Im sure we will never watch again. Next time we move most of them are going to Vinnies. Since Netflix and Pirate bay our purchasing of dvds has pretty much stopped. But for us its mainly a space issue.
    Records and books are always going to win on that front.

  • pcmrpcmr 5,591 Posts
    i buy used dvd and new series on dvd
    i hate bluray because the perfect image ruins the movies feel for me (goodfellas for example seems to sharp and i dont buy into the period of time anymore) they do take quite some space but is perfect for shows..the used market is almost dying like cds

    its a good medium to view films convenientally compared to vhs but i will stop buiying soon

  • I don't necessarily want or need the DVD/blu ray. I guess I just want the studios to release a legit product. If I had to download it, I'd be fine, as long they did something to wrap it all up, not just put all the files in one zip. I don't want to buy a tv show and have the cursing still beeped. It's like they are half assing it.

  • kalakala 3,361 Posts
    now seeing more dvd's than VHS tapes at flea markets....going for 2 bucks a pop generally

    i have stopped buying dvd's and will only grip rare or weird ones.... same for VHS.

    left wondering if they move well on ebay as i haven't looked at finished sales

    there are a lot of people that don't use computers still so..........yeah there will be a market for tactile media for another 20-30 years?

  • ketanketan Warmly booming riffs 3,102 Posts
    i still buy. it's the most functional way to keep a library for me. but i'm mad selective about gets in... very limited space around the house for this sort of thing...

    just picked up the up series box set to use for teaching this fall.

  • discos_almadiscos_alma discos_alma 2,164 Posts
    A good movie on DVD or Blue Ray is just as essential as a record you would pull out and listen to all the time. Why would you buy something you wouldn't feel comfortable watching at least once or twice a year?

    I'd hope there will always be a market for physical copies of movies (at least a USB drive or something?). That is, after all, the main reason to buy it - because you physically own it. Otherwise it seems like everyone will just start to download for free all of the time (instead of occasionally buying a DVD here and there).

  • ReynaldoReynaldo 6,054 Posts
    Done forever.

  • it's going to be hard to tell who a person is if i cant see the spines of their dvd collection when i walk into their place.

  • vintageinfants said:
    it's going to be hard to tell who a person is if i cant see the spines of their dvd collection when i walk into their place.

    "Before this goes any further, can I peep your media server really quick?"

    "So um, that's like cool and all. Great place, but uhm, can you log into your cloud real quick?"

  • volumenvolumen 2,532 Posts
    vintageinfants said:
    it's going to be hard to tell who a person is if i cant see the spines of their dvd collection when i walk into their place.

    The flip side is Netflix tells our kids my wife and I watched Nymphomaniac Iⅈ in our recently watched list and then Netflix suggest we all might like a bunch of soft porn movies for the rest of our lives.

    Eventually I'm sure everything will be all computer files and streaming but not for a while. There are some movies I like to have so I can watch them when I'm in the mood and not have to wait for Netflix to deliver them. Also, I have to either purchase Apple TV or haul my desktop into the living room to watch anything I buy on Itunes so that's not exactly convenient.

  • kalakala 3,361 Posts
    I watched Nymphomaniac I&IIand; i really wish i spent that time doing something else....fucking abysmal script,acting,story etc fuck LVT and his self indulgent garbage

    FIXED

  • batmonbatmon 27,574 Posts
    Neo

  • granjerogranjero 147 Posts
    My gut instinct is they're done. SD video is old Old anyway, and DVD extras (though I love 'em) clearly just a delivery requirement.
    Not surprised Louie CK isn't pushing for Louie to be sold this way as IMO he's ahead of the pack in selling stuff directly via digital.
    Personally, I love a bookcase and will peruse anyone's in the hope of finding interesting and/ or incriminating material, but I dislike DVD shelves as I've never been one to hoard films and rarely feel like rewatchiing even the best of them (same for books but still fetishize them enough to want to keep them).
    Does anyone else find Netflix's selection woefully inadequate? I think I'm ready to subscribe to a legal service but they haven't got it.
    Like import 12" dance vinyl i can't believe how much I used to pay for box sets.
    Money's so tight now I really wouldn't drop 40 quid on a season in the same way I did for The Wire or Sopranos. Thannk heavens for Vuze (though, is this drying up?).

  • volumenvolumen 2,532 Posts
    granjero said:

    Does anyone else find Netflix's selection woefully inadequate? I think I'm ready to subscribe to a legal service but they haven't got it.
    .

    I think it's pretty good. You have to do DVD and streaming to get everything you want. They have art house stuff as well as mainstream plus TV shows (no commercials!), documentaries etc etc. If your only watching the most obscure cutting edge stuff they may not have it. I watch a lot of non-commercial stuff that would be considered art house and never have a problem with Netfilx. Granted there are a number of titles at the bottom of my queue with "unknown" availability and have been that way for a year. Some stuff they don't have I think because of licensing so that may or may not be there fault. Given the monthly fee is the cost of 1 DVD I think it's a good deal and I easily watch a couple things a week so I'm getting my money worth. So many movies are just as good at home as in the theater so you save money on movie tickets and DVD purchases. Just my 2 cents. I know they aren't perfect and there are things you'll want that they won't have.

  • volumenvolumen 2,532 Posts
    kala said:
    I watched Nymphomaniac I&IIand; i really wish i spent that time doing something else....fucking abysmal script,acting,story etc fuck LVT and his self indulgent garbage

    FIXED

    LOL. I haven't actually even watched it. Just giving an example. We watched the documentary about the gay couple who adopted a kid and now half our suggestions are all gay themed movies. I can only imagine what watching Nymphomaniac would do to our suggestions.

  • discos_almadiscos_alma discos_alma 2,164 Posts
    volumen said:
    kala said:
    I watched Nymphomaniac I&IIand; i really wish i spent that time doing something else....fucking abysmal script,acting,story etc fuck LVT and his self indulgent garbage

    FIXED

    LOL. I haven't actually even watched it. Just giving an example. We watched the documentary about the gay couple who adopted a kid and now half our suggestions are all gay themed movies. I can only imagine what watching Nymphomaniac would do to our suggestions.

    You can make a new user on your account like "family" so you can keep the stuff you watch separate from the stuff you watch with your family. Works great.

  • volumenvolumen 2,532 Posts
    MusicaDelAlma said:
    volumen said:
    kala said:
    I watched Nymphomaniac I&IIand; i really wish i spent that time doing something else....fucking abysmal script,acting,story etc fuck LVT and his self indulgent garbage

    FIXED

    LOL. I haven't actually even watched it. Just giving an example. We watched the documentary about the gay couple who adopted a kid and now half our suggestions are all gay themed movies. I can only imagine what watching Nymphomaniac would do to our suggestions.

    You can make a new user on your account like "family" so you can keep the stuff you watch separate from the stuff you watch with your family. Works great.

    Thanks. I saw that, just haven't used it yet. If I don't want people to know I'm watching something then i get it on DVD!

  • 4k resolution TVs are starting to be available and coming down to reasonable price levels.

    There is currently no physical media for 4k video. The only option is downloading and streaming, but it requires really high bandwidth and storage space, so there will most likely be 3+ layer versions of Blu-Rays that can accommodate the huge file sizes in the next year or two.

    Blu-Ray still reigns king for anything that was shot on film (i.e that can benefit from a new transfer).

    Anything, shot on videotape (as opposed to film), can't really benefit from any higher resolution than a DVD anyway.

    Some older shows that could benefit from an HD Transfer (ER, Sopranos, The Wire), are either not available at all or only available in HD through cable rebroadcasts or through digital downloads. Twin Peaks was like this until very recently. A Blu-Ray box set was released but prior to that iTunes was the only (legal) way to get your hands on HD versions of the show.

  • batmonbatmon 27,574 Posts
    highscheme said:
    4k resolution TVs are starting to be available and coming down to reasonable price levels.

    There is currently no physical media for 4k video. The only option is downloading and streaming, but it requires really high bandwidth and storage space, so there will most likely be 3+ layer versions of Blu-Rays that can accommodate the huge file sizes in the next year or two.

    Blu-Ray still reigns king for anything that was shot on film (i.e that can benefit from a new transfer).

    Anything, shot on videotape (as opposed to film), can't really benefit from any higher resolution than a DVD anyway.

    Some older shows that could benefit from an HD Transfer (ER, Sopranos, The Wire), are either not available at all or only available in HD through cable rebroadcasts or through digital downloads. Twin Peaks was like this until very recently. A Blu-Ray box set was released but prior to that iTunes was the only (legal) way to get your hands on HD versions of the show.

    Arent 4K BluRays physical media for 4K.?

    Sony, though, believes it has something with which to fill the current 4K void. A sort of 4KÔÇôassisted Blu-ray, for want of a better description, dubbed ÔÇÿMastered in 4KÔÇÖ.

    The idea is that the Full HD film versions on Mastered in 4K Blu-rays have been derived either from more-than-4K masters of their original celluloid prints or, in one or two cases, downscaled from original 4K digital footage.

    To be clear, the final digital films on the Blu-rays still only have the same 1920 x 1080 pixels of actual resolution as normal Blu-rays. But the argument goes that because these full HD files were derived from higher-resolution masters, their images will be more precise, with better colours, less noise, and enhanced sharpness and detail. Not least because the higher-resolution mastering process will provide more detail from the original print for the Blu-ray masterers to draw on when going through their (hopefully) frame-by-frame compression process.
    Read more at http://www.trustedreviews.com/opinions/what-is-mastered-in-4k-and-does-it-make-a-difference#H1JIvx6G2z1cKab1.9
    9

    There are a handful of 4K Blus aout there that are fine on a regular HD monitor but would be next level w/ a 4K player.



    Taxi Driver =

  • ppadilhappadilha 2,236 Posts
    unless you're putting a 200-seat movie theater with a massive screen in your house, I don't see a reason for owning a 4K system.

    I don't think DVD will disappear so soon mainly because there's still too much stuff out there that hasn't been and never will be released on Blu-ray or any superior format. Also, if you're running a piracy outfit dvds are about half (at least) as cheap as blu-ray. But I'm sure studios and whatnot will phase out standard-def dvds in the near future, if they haven't already.

  • batmon said:
    highscheme said:
    4k resolution TVs are starting to be available and coming down to reasonable price levels.

    There is currently no physical media for 4k video. The only option is downloading and streaming, but it requires really high bandwidth and storage space, so there will most likely be 3+ layer versions of Blu-Rays that can accommodate the huge file sizes in the next year or two.

    Blu-Ray still reigns king for anything that was shot on film (i.e that can benefit from a new transfer).

    Anything, shot on videotape (as opposed to film), can't really benefit from any higher resolution than a DVD anyway.

    Some older shows that could benefit from an HD Transfer (ER, Sopranos, The Wire), are either not available at all or only available in HD through cable rebroadcasts or through digital downloads. Twin Peaks was like this until very recently. A Blu-Ray box set was released but prior to that iTunes was the only (legal) way to get your hands on HD versions of the show.

    Arent 4K BluRays physical media for 4K.?

    Sony, though, believes it has something with which to fill the current 4K void. A sort of 4KÔÇôassisted Blu-ray, for want of a better description, dubbed ÔÇÿMastered in 4KÔÇÖ.

    The idea is that the Full HD film versions on Mastered in 4K Blu-rays have been derived either from more-than-4K masters of their original celluloid prints or, in one or two cases, downscaled from original 4K digital footage.

    To be clear, the final digital films on the Blu-rays still only have the same 1920 x 1080 pixels of actual resolution as normal Blu-rays. But the argument goes that because these full HD files were derived from higher-resolution masters, their images will be more precise, with better colours, less noise, and enhanced sharpness and detail. Not least because the higher-resolution mastering process will provide more detail from the original print for the Blu-ray masterers to draw on when going through their (hopefully) frame-by-frame compression process.
    Read more at http://www.trustedreviews.com/opinions/what-is-mastered-in-4k-and-does-it-make-a-difference#H1JIvx6G2z1cKab1.9
    9

    There are a handful of 4K Blus aout there that are fine on a regular HD monitor but would be next level w/ a 4K player.



    Taxi Driver =

    Those Sony 4k Blu-Rays are a bit of a misnomer. Their resolution is standard 1080p HD but they were scanned at 4k resolution then downscaled and printed on a regular blu ray. Basically they are a really good HD Transfer, but they wouldn't benefit from being upscaled onto a 4K screen--all other things equal.

    I wouldn't be surprised if Sony down samples them in a way that works well and looks good when being reupscaled on their expensive 4k TVs though.

  • kala said:


    i have stopped buying dvd's and will only grip rare or weird ones.... same for VHS.


    yep
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