I don't know, staxwax. I'm going to have to take your critique with a grain a salt given that you rode for the Lecter franchise all the way up to and including what I'm assuming is the TV series? So I guess I can't speak to any similarities vis????????vis the antlers. You do have a point in that the series is trafficking worn tropes but I think that's somewhat the point? Know the rules, then maybe break them. It was compelling enough two episodes for me to take the ride, despite the feng shui of Woody's ladies, and I'm a sucker for any noir or cop show that's well done, even if it's not necessarily groundbreaking. Additionally, it seems like they are hinting at McConaughey being the killer but methinks that's red herring.
Not really riding for the lecter franchise at all- although I have seen the movies, silence of the lambs being the best one imo, I read red dragon, and watched the tv show - the show is not bad - but the antler / stag visuals were very prominent in Hannibal and for that to be repeated so shortly afterwards in another 'dark' serial killer manhunt tv show is more than highly unoriginal imo. shows like this need a certain amount of fresh angles and concepts to keep them interesting in the context of all that came before. im missing that in true detective.
i really wanted to enjoy this show but ive been cringing along here. watching this is like wading through a minefield of stereotypical corn
tell me - the whole two tough cops in a morally ambiguous wasteland -- theres no black and white - just. shades. of. grey.... schtick isnt really something we need to sit through again - is it ?
then theres the whole the south is a durty trailerpark with little meth head pre teen whores all over it patrolled by leering corrupt cops and wacked out priests steez - is that really as played out a cliche as it strikes me as being ? isnt that just really tired and offensive by now?
then there's the annoying resemblance to the antler killings in hannibal - too much of a similarity to let slide imo - with some blair witchy craft shit thrown in for good measure
then there's mccoanahyey in those interrogation scenes with the two black dts, he's drawling, sucking on cigarettes, glazing over - overacting and tapping way too hard into some potpourri of corn i can hardly bear it
oh but wait - mconahugh is really tapping into some deep shit here - play the dead daughter card. glaze over. say something dark and existential. repeat. really? yes really, flash forward 17 years and hes still doing it. is this supposed to give depth to the cookie cutter character - the haunted profiler - nah man. pass
there were some lines and scenes that were copypasted too. like woody turning away from the murder scene and telling his partner - btw my wife wants you to come over for dinner - isnt that a scene straight out of colors?
i havent entirely given up yet - photography is amazing and its still a fairly entertaining duo to watch but goddamn theyre treading on worn out ground here.
oh i have a sneaking suspicion the big twist will be MM will turn out to have been the killer himself all along. amiwrong?
I'll give you the Hannibal bite.
And I will concur that the bayou/meth/church/corrupt shit is kinda played.
That said, Mac and Woody are acting out of their minds IMO, and the duo together is somehow worth even more than the sum of the parts. And it's shot beautifully. If you see their performances as over the top and the art direction as unoriginal, then yeah I dunno what to tell you; you're just not gonna like this show I guess.
Chances are that True detective was wrapping by the time that Hannibal show aired. Unfortunate coincidence a la Paul Blart Mall Cop and Observe and Report. Similar ideas that happened to come out around the same time.
Watched second ep last night. Keeping in mind that I haven't seen anything in that series other than Silence of the Lambs, I'm really enjoying this. To my comparison with TOTL, they both have incredible acting (although Liz Moss was a bit plain)... but while that had more depth and innovation, TD has a way radder aesthetic.
Like, um,
DOR said:
Alexandra Daddario.
:woah: :woah: :woah:
I feel like the killer probably is MM, but then I also want to believe that the creators are trying to make it seem that way to throw us off. So, I kinda also suspect it's the Christian dude who mentioned the religious war in the first ep who is doing a false flag thing.
Nice WSJ vid addressing theory that Cohle is a Tyler Durden-type hallucination, which while most likely not true is fun to think about, also h/t to Red Riding minseries and my favorite Fincher flic Zodiac.
Martin:You know the real difference between you and me?
Rust:Yup, denial.
Martin: The difference is that I know the difference between an idea and a fact. You are incapable of admitting doubt. Now that sounds like denial to me.
Rust: I doubt that.
I am by no means a TV connoisseur but the particular way they weave together the dialog - past, present, untrustworthy narration, hints of "getting their guy," philosophy, etc. - is super interesting and, in IMHO, very well done. The cliffhanger at the end of Episode 3, damn; I know I'll be tuning in come Sunday night.
Anyone know what they John Carpenter-y music was during that part?
???To realize that all your life, all your love, all your hate, all your memory, all your pain, it was all the same thing, it was all the same dream. A dream that you had inside a locked room. A dream about being a person. And like a lot of dreams, there???s a monster at the end of it.???
???To realize that all your life, all your love, all your hate, all your memory, all your pain, it was all the same thing, it was all the same dream. A dream that you had inside a locked room. A dream about being a person. And like a lot of dreams, there???s a monster at the end of it.???
The Game In The Windowless Room
Of all all the games I???ve ever played
Of all the hands I???ve dealt
Of all the pots I???ve ever raked
From matchsticks
to nickels
to untold wealth.
From the beckoning lights of the Vegas strip
to the Pittsburgh roadhouse gloom,
The most dangerous game I played with the man
In that locked-door windowless room.
His eyes were yellow as the golden crown
on the King of Diamond???s head;
His teeth were black
as the mustached Jack,
And his mouth was bloody red as the crimson gown on the Queen of Hearts.
And his hand was marked with the sign
That???s found on the hand of the Diamond King.
And he smiled
As his eyes met mine
And he said,
???What a shame,
I???ve been watching your game,
As you fleece these witless fools.
How would you do,
At a hand or two?
My game,
my stakes,
my rules.
A sealed room,
No windows, no phone,
An unbroken seal on the cards.
No watches or rings,
Or jaggedy things
That can clip or chip or mark
On a non-metal, clear glass tabletop.
No mirrors, no overhead lights,
With foot-thick walls
and just one door
that???s locked???from the outside.
For as long as it takes
For one man to break
Be it an hour
Or a day,
Would you dare take a seat,
When there???s no way to cheat????
Well, what could I say?
So in the silent tomb of that sealed room
We both sat down to play.
Well, he was no Joker,
He was an Ace.
And although I was the King of this pack,
I knew that the lady would have to smile on me
If I were to win all his jack.
So we played for hours;
Or was it a week?
I lost all track of time,
And he won a few,
And he bluffed a few,
But the final pot was mine.
???Well, I don???t know quite how you did it,??? he said,
As I raked in his last buck.
???But shaves, or seconds, or a frigid deck,
It had nothing to do with luck.
You???re a hustler, a sharp, a mechanic,???
he said,
???Now the real game???s about to start.???
Here he pulls out his knife,
And me with just this deck of cards.
???Ain???t it funny to learn
How the odds can turn,??? said he,
As he thrusted
And flicked
And fanned.
But I dodged his blade
And my eight of Spades
Knocked the knife right out of his hand.
???Hell, I???ll beat you to death with my hands,???
he laughed,
And he raised a powerful fist;
But my five of clubs
Left a bloody stub
as it sliced his hand off at the wrist.
Yeah, he screamed,
And he pulled a gun from his boot,
???Last hand and the dealer dies,???
But my one last card- my Ace of Hearts-
caught him right between the eyes.
Well, that I might say
was the game of my life.
When the police
did finally arrive,
They found a windowless room,
A corpse on the floor,
The door
Still locked from the outside.
And no one there but him and me,
A classic locked-room mystery.
But where is the murder weapon?
They searched, but they can???t find it anywhere.
Oh where can it be?
They don???t look at me,
I???m just playing
Solitaire.
Just a heads up. It's been sacked for the Super Bowl. Gotta wait another week.
If you all haven't seen it on TV, here is a preview of the next episode. I was in two minds about watching it but my curiousity won out in the end, especially cause we have to wait twice as long due to the superbowl..
the last scene wasn't at all creepy to me. just take out the eerie synth.
They already said there was a murder in the present, and they think that they arrested the wrong man 17 years prior. Therefore, they brought both of them in to recount the process of how they arrested the meth dude with the gas mask.
I am just waiting for the twist in one of the final episodes.
From what i have read, this show's cast will change every season with a different storyline to go along with it. I like having things summed up in 8 episodes. Makes it a lot different than a boardwalk empire,the wire, sopranos etc.
Woody is the killer, Matt is willing to come back because he knows Woody got away with it years ago and thinks he can catch him this time, this show is fucking rad!
The acting, the writing, the everything is great. It is genuinely scary too.
I don't know. Wood's character is so bad even at concealing a casual marital affair and he's somehow a ritual killer on the side, too? I don't think he's that smart. Part of the bureaucratic cover-up in that little politically tied religious school that allows such freaks to do their thing with minimal recource? That, I'd buy.
Rewatching episode 1. Some shots that got some attention, but don't know if they mean anything:
The billboard of the young girl that said "who killed me?" Rust looks at it as they're driving and is first mentioning his daughter's birthday. That's not his daughter though.
When they go to the church to ask about the Fontenot girl, there's a kind of long shot of a cross and it seems to be focusing on the ropes tying it together. Like the binds are important.
Also, is the Fontenot girl important or just a distraction detail?
i went to go look for some of the writer's [nic pizzolato] other works and found this:
absolutely phenomenal and written in an almost identical vein; complete with dead beat cops, degenerate drug addicts and other scum and villainy, i'd highly suggest it for anyone who's really into the show. "true dick heads"?
Comments
I'll give you the Hannibal bite.
And I will concur that the bayou/meth/church/corrupt shit is kinda played.
That said, Mac and Woody are acting out of their minds IMO, and the duo together is somehow worth even more than the sum of the parts. And it's shot beautifully. If you see their performances as over the top and the art direction as unoriginal, then yeah I dunno what to tell you; you're just not gonna like this show I guess.
Like, um,
:woah: :woah: :woah:
I feel like the killer probably is MM, but then I also want to believe that the creators are trying to make it seem that way to throw us off. So, I kinda also suspect it's the Christian dude who mentioned the religious war in the first ep who is doing a false flag thing.
Yeah, that was nutty. Looks like the next episode will be action packed. Dude's strut was almost like te Bigfoot footage.
http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2014/01/25/is-true-detective-pulling-a-fight-club/
It's HBO they love these types of shows.
True Detective is my new shit. The ending scene of the last episode was crazy and creepy as shit.
Rust:Yup, denial.
Martin: The difference is that I know the difference between an idea and a fact. You are incapable of admitting doubt. Now that sounds like denial to me.
Rust: I doubt that.
Anyone know what they John Carpenter-y music was during that part?
???To realize that all your life, all your love, all your hate, all your memory, all your pain, it was all the same thing, it was all the same dream. A dream that you had inside a locked room. A dream about being a person. And like a lot of dreams, there???s a monster at the end of it.???
The Game In The Windowless Room
Of all all the games I???ve ever played
Of all the hands I???ve dealt
Of all the pots I???ve ever raked
From matchsticks
to nickels
to untold wealth.
From the beckoning lights of the Vegas strip
to the Pittsburgh roadhouse gloom,
The most dangerous game I played with the man
In that locked-door windowless room.
His eyes were yellow as the golden crown
on the King of Diamond???s head;
His teeth were black
as the mustached Jack,
And his mouth was bloody red as the crimson gown on the Queen of Hearts.
And his hand was marked with the sign
That???s found on the hand of the Diamond King.
And he smiled
As his eyes met mine
And he said,
???What a shame,
I???ve been watching your game,
As you fleece these witless fools.
How would you do,
At a hand or two?
My game,
my stakes,
my rules.
A sealed room,
No windows, no phone,
An unbroken seal on the cards.
No watches or rings,
Or jaggedy things
That can clip or chip or mark
On a non-metal, clear glass tabletop.
No mirrors, no overhead lights,
With foot-thick walls
and just one door
that???s locked???from the outside.
For as long as it takes
For one man to break
Be it an hour
Or a day,
Would you dare take a seat,
When there???s no way to cheat????
Well, what could I say?
So in the silent tomb of that sealed room
We both sat down to play.
Well, he was no Joker,
He was an Ace.
And although I was the King of this pack,
I knew that the lady would have to smile on me
If I were to win all his jack.
So we played for hours;
Or was it a week?
I lost all track of time,
And he won a few,
And he bluffed a few,
But the final pot was mine.
???Well, I don???t know quite how you did it,??? he said,
As I raked in his last buck.
???But shaves, or seconds, or a frigid deck,
It had nothing to do with luck.
You???re a hustler, a sharp, a mechanic,???
he said,
???Now the real game???s about to start.???
Here he pulls out his knife,
And me with just this deck of cards.
???Ain???t it funny to learn
How the odds can turn,??? said he,
As he thrusted
And flicked
And fanned.
But I dodged his blade
And my eight of Spades
Knocked the knife right out of his hand.
???Hell, I???ll beat you to death with my hands,???
he laughed,
And he raised a powerful fist;
But my five of clubs
Left a bloody stub
as it sliced his hand off at the wrist.
Yeah, he screamed,
And he pulled a gun from his boot,
???Last hand and the dealer dies,???
But my one last card- my Ace of Hearts-
caught him right between the eyes.
Well, that I might say
was the game of my life.
When the police
did finally arrive,
They found a windowless room,
A corpse on the floor,
The door
Still locked from the outside.
And no one there but him and me,
A classic locked-room mystery.
But where is the murder weapon?
They searched, but they can???t find it anywhere.
Oh where can it be?
They don???t look at me,
I???m just playing
Solitaire.
s. silverstein
nice. i've been reading my daughter the giving tree lately.
If you all haven't seen it on TV, here is a preview of the next episode. I was in two minds about watching it but my curiousity won out in the end, especially cause we have to wait twice as long due to the superbowl..
They already said there was a murder in the present, and they think that they arrested the wrong man 17 years prior. Therefore, they brought both of them in to recount the process of how they arrested the meth dude with the gas mask.
I am just waiting for the twist in one of the final episodes.
From what i have read, this show's cast will change every season with a different storyline to go along with it. I like having things summed up in 8 episodes. Makes it a lot different than a boardwalk empire,the wire, sopranos etc.
i want true detective
nice to hear all will be resolved by seasons end
The acting, the writing, the everything is great. It is genuinely scary too.
+
herzog moves
woody killin' it
would be insane !
The billboard of the young girl that said "who killed me?" Rust looks at it as they're driving and is first mentioning his daughter's birthday. That's not his daughter though.
When they go to the church to ask about the Fontenot girl, there's a kind of long shot of a cross and it seems to be focusing on the ropes tying it together. Like the binds are important.
Also, is the Fontenot girl important or just a distraction detail?
absolutely phenomenal and written in an almost identical vein; complete with dead beat cops, degenerate drug addicts and other scum and villainy, i'd highly suggest it for anyone who's really into the show. "true dick heads"?
Thanks for the link Bassie