There is more than enough recorded and written B.I.G for him to be considered the greatest rapper of all time. B.I.G accomplished more between 93-97 than Rakim 86-90......Kurt Cobain also died a violent death and is celebrated the same as Biggie among "80's and 90's babies". I assume this qualifies them as herbs also.
Imo there is no way in hell Big could take GOAT over Rakim or say melle mel - if you really think that i just feel you're lacking in knowledge and perspective - but thats striclty personal - anyone can claim their personal fave. I just disrespect the hell out of young uns buying into 'big and pac were the greatest' hook line and sinker when their depth of knowledge is suspect. And I'm a huge biggie and nirvana fan. And yes, mindless cobain veneration is corny as hell. it does him a disservice and he would of hated it.
Jonny_Paycheck said:
I dunno Tone, post was damning with faint praise IMO. Basically, "cool but it ain't all that" surrounded by "you damn kids" and "I hatt Puff so much right now!"
One posthumous LP. A couple tribute songs. What I get from you dudes is bascally that people shouldn't like him as much as they do. Seems kind of flimsy
I love ready to die and think its a classic record. beyond that, kick in the door was just ok. I can appreciate anyones love for biggies music, but dont talk to me about the greatest ever if you have no idea of what say kool moe dee did. Since puff soiled biggies legacy by sampling every breath you take and falling off a motorbike, fucking over and blackballing easy mo bee, my personal opinion of him in that respect is indeed of the tar and feather and run that mf'er rout of town variety.
HarveyCanal said:
To utterly dismiss that there actually was an East-West beef which went right along with pretty much a then-nationwide Crip versus Blood mentality (yes, the press blew it out of proportion, but that doesn't mean that it didn't exist)...
And to also deny that 2Pac and Biggie indeed were/are 2 of the best to have ever rapped, that's bad enough.
But then to shit on a crowd younger than you for of course accepting and embracing a reality that only from your outlying island are you even able to label as myth...well, that just sucks on your part.
Just because you personally don't like the way shit actually went down doesn't give you the right to try to rewrite history, especially in the most stale reactionary way possible.
first of all - i do whatever the fuck i feel like doing. secondly im not denying east vs west beef existed or saying young kids shouldn't be feeling biggie. Its just that when kurt loder sits me down to tell me all about the history of hip hop, and says "lets begin with the greatest ever, biggie and pac...." I throw up in my mouth. And you know for a fact that this is how the lore is spun for the ignorant masses. I disapprove.
Otherwise, love the site. keep doing you.
HarveyCanal"a distraction from my main thesis." 13,234 Posts
It just doesn't seem that you were around to witness when 2Pac and Biggie were at their peak, nor able to recognize the influence it spawned. I mean, there's no arguing that at a certain point, young rappers pretty much across the board ceased looking to our heroes of the 80's as their inspiration and replaced them with a school that reveres the Pac/BIG combo as its foundation. Maybe it's your opinion that that was a bad thing, but it's basically you against the millions who actually count in hip-hop, as well as you just bucking the natural order of the evolution.
It just doesn't seem that you were around to witness when 2Pac and Biggie were at their peak, nor able to recognize the influence it spawned. I mean, there's no arguing that at a certain point, young rappers pretty much across the board ceased looking to our heroes of the 80's as their inspiration and replaced them with a school that reveres the Pac/BIG combo as its foundation. Maybe it's your opinion that that was a bad thing, but it's basically you against the millions who actually count in hip-hop, as well as you just bucking the natural order of the evolution.
I dont know what conversation you're in. Re read my posts until you get it. No-one is talking about 'young rappers and their inspiration'. This is Soul Strut 100 #62. Were on some next level, mardi grass without the bells, deep understanding of the music, numbnuts can play the sidelines type shit over here. So run along.
And let me tell you i dont give a fuck about these 'millions who actually count in hip hop' - what the hell are you even talking about? Cd racks in wall mart? The millions who actually count in footwear are rocking crocs kid.
Allow me to remind you that the world at large doesnt give 2 fucks about gerald g dj screw or the league of extraordinary g's nor does it give a fuck about unheard ethiopian jazz reissues being sold in obscure record boutiques either. so get off your high horse.
edpowers said:
"Wild Wild West" was just as corny as "Mo Money Mo Problems"
Jokes. but if you really knew the history of the music, you'd know how much of your ass is showing.
End of the day, just know this: from the dress code to the thought mode - this shit is still a secret society.
We are the wolves among the sheep.
We were actually there 'when it happened'.
Our wax collection is deeper.
Our sneaker collection is deeper.
We will buy your fucking house and your business.
While the toys are sleeping, sucking their thumbs -
Were out here - every day - shitting on kids, king kong style.
that is the most sour old man shakes fist at the sky shit I've read on this site in a long time and that's really saying something.
I'm not even the biggest Ready To Die fan in the world. But to my ear BIG, and that record, have gotten better with age, not the reverse. Dudes showing their ass and bloomers... posturing against fans' interpretation of artists' work is strictly little dude.
b/w
as soon as I saw this one poasted I knew it was only a matter of time before the so-called "real heads" came out to say that it wasn't all that, "too polished", he wasn't lyrically lyrical enough, overrated, etc.
Great record.
I didn't say it was a bad record, just that I couldn't get into it. I bet when Illmatic or PE appears, there will be peeps saying the shit sounded tired/dated on release. Doesn't take anything away from the album, but nothing exists in a vacuum, and this one is overrated to me.
It just doesn't seem that you were around to witness when 2Pac and Biggie were at their peak, nor able to recognize the influence it spawned. I mean, there's no arguing that at a certain point, young rappers pretty much across the board ceased looking to our heroes of the 80's as their inspiration and replaced them with a school that reveres the Pac/BIG combo as its foundation. Maybe it's your opinion that that was a bad thing, but it's basically you against the millions who actually count in hip-hop, as well as you just bucking the natural order of the evolution.
I dont know what conversation you're in. Re read my posts until you get it. No-one is talking about 'young rappers and their inspiration'. This is Soul Strut 100 #62. Were on some next level, mardi grass without the bells, deep understanding of the music, numbnuts can play the sidelines type shit over here. So run along.
And let me tell you i dont give a fuck about these 'millions who actually count in hip hop' - what the hell are you even talking about? Cd racks in wall mart? The millions who actually count in footwear are rocking crocs kid.
Allow me to remind you that the world at large doesnt give 2 fucks about gerald g dj screw or the league of extraordinary g's nor does it give a fuck about unheard ethiopian jazz reissues being sold in obscure record boutiques either. so get off your high horse.
edpowers said:
"Wild Wild West" was just as corny as "Mo Money Mo Problems"
Jokes. but if you really knew the history of the music, you'd know how much of your ass is showing.
End of the day, just know this: from the dress code to the thought mode - this shit is still a secret society.
We are the wolves among the sheep.
We were actually there 'when it happened'.
Our wax collection is deeper.
Our sneaker collection is deeper.
We will buy your fucking house and your business.
While the toys are sleeping, sucking their thumbs -
Were out here - every day - shitting on kids, king kong style.
Ready To Die is a real nice album.
On holiday in Turkey the guy who ran the poolside bar asked to hear some of the music I was playing on my Walkman. So he put my cassette of Ready To Die on the bar soundsystem and he was kind of uninterested in it till the sex skit came on, that fight his attention he was hysterical about it, even rewinding and playing it to his friends as they popped in the bar.
I vividly remember this album dropping. Having heard dreams of fucking an r&b bitch blow up about a year before this came out there was quite a lot of anticipation to this and i copped it the first week. I remember at the time thinking it was classic, but making a tape with just the standout tunes because there was a bit of filler on the record imo. Its an obvious classic and big was a great great mc. But i didnt check for any of the post humous output and went sour on puff and bad boy and all the utter crud that came out of that camp soon afterwards. All these kids repping big as the greatest ever and the whole biggie and pac adulation that followed their deaths is some real gossipy outside looking in sucker shit to me. All these kids buying into the myth capitalising off the violent death he suffered and the glorifying and romanticising of his death is wack as hell. The album is a classic, no doubt, and big is def one of many great mcs. But take the whole best there ever was myth and sell it back to the herbs pushing it. thats where my memories end and the fake non head marketing of east vs west and bullshit non hip hop hype came in and polluted the whole game with bullshit to the point where people now understand this to be some universal truth about hip hop and big being the best ever. Fuck that. He was just a great mc, and this was a great, albeit very short moment. But these 80's and 90's babies who bought the shirt and fawn over the myth need to fall way way the fuck back to the back of the rear.
the whole "western" civilisation is basically built upon worshipping dead people ask jesus
while i type this a 7 year old i s building a shrine for some dead popstar or movie hero...
i think its sad...
and ready to die is one of my fav albums i once found a copy on the flea market in a box of schlager
Big_Stacks"I don't worry about hittin' power, cause I don't give 'em nuttin' to hit." 4,670 Posts
Hey,
The "Ready to Die" LP was a big part of my early grad school experience. I remember riding around in my gray Escort LX pumping the cassette in the deck (wow, that was long ago). My favorites were "Machine Gun Funk," "Warning," "The What," "Unbelievable," and "Suicidal Thoughts." Overall, the album was landmark in how it mixed more R&B-ish cuts with raw, hip-hop joints. In that respect, "Ready to Die" changed the landscape of rap album architecture, and it rightly deserves to be acknowledged on the Soul Strut 100.
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Imo there is no way in hell Big could take GOAT over Rakim or say melle mel - if you really think that i just feel you're lacking in knowledge and perspective - but thats striclty personal - anyone can claim their personal fave. I just disrespect the hell out of young uns buying into 'big and pac were the greatest' hook line and sinker when their depth of knowledge is suspect. And I'm a huge biggie and nirvana fan. And yes, mindless cobain veneration is corny as hell. it does him a disservice and he would of hated it.
I love ready to die and think its a classic record. beyond that, kick in the door was just ok. I can appreciate anyones love for biggies music, but dont talk to me about the greatest ever if you have no idea of what say kool moe dee did. Since puff soiled biggies legacy by sampling every breath you take and falling off a motorbike, fucking over and blackballing easy mo bee, my personal opinion of him in that respect is indeed of the tar and feather and run that mf'er rout of town variety.
first of all - i do whatever the fuck i feel like doing. secondly im not denying east vs west beef existed or saying young kids shouldn't be feeling biggie. Its just that when kurt loder sits me down to tell me all about the history of hip hop, and says "lets begin with the greatest ever, biggie and pac...." I throw up in my mouth. And you know for a fact that this is how the lore is spun for the ignorant masses. I disapprove.
Otherwise, love the site. keep doing you.
I dont know what conversation you're in. Re read my posts until you get it. No-one is talking about 'young rappers and their inspiration'. This is Soul Strut 100 #62. Were on some next level, mardi grass without the bells, deep understanding of the music, numbnuts can play the sidelines type shit over here. So run along.
And let me tell you i dont give a fuck about these 'millions who actually count in hip hop' - what the hell are you even talking about? Cd racks in wall mart? The millions who actually count in footwear are rocking crocs kid.
Allow me to remind you that the world at large doesnt give 2 fucks about gerald g dj screw or the league of extraordinary g's nor does it give a fuck about unheard ethiopian jazz reissues being sold in obscure record boutiques either. so get off your high horse.
Jokes. but if you really knew the history of the music, you'd know how much of your ass is showing.
End of the day, just know this: from the dress code to the thought mode - this shit is still a secret society.
We are the wolves among the sheep.
We were actually there 'when it happened'.
Our wax collection is deeper.
Our sneaker collection is deeper.
We will buy your fucking house and your business.
While the toys are sleeping, sucking their thumbs -
Were out here - every day - shitting on kids, king kong style.
:hi:
I didn't say it was a bad record, just that I couldn't get into it. I bet when Illmatic or PE appears, there will be peeps saying the shit sounded tired/dated on release. Doesn't take anything away from the album, but nothing exists in a vacuum, and this one is overrated to me.
- Kool Moe Dee
English is for you, a second language. No?
On holiday in Turkey the guy who ran the poolside bar asked to hear some of the music I was playing on my Walkman. So he put my cassette of Ready To Die on the bar soundsystem and he was kind of uninterested in it till the sex skit came on, that fight his attention he was hysterical about it, even rewinding and playing it to his friends as they popped in the bar.
the whole "western" civilisation is basically built upon worshipping dead people ask jesus
while i type this a 7 year old i s building a shrine for some dead popstar or movie hero...
i think its sad...
and ready to die is one of my fav albums i once found a copy on the flea market in a box of schlager
Next time i run into Him we'll discuss more important matters.
Like, if He favors Thriller above Off the wall.
I had Jehovah Witness friends who couldnt watch Thriller cause of the "satanic" imagery.
So i bet Jesus prefers Off The Wall.
The "Ready to Die" LP was a big part of my early grad school experience. I remember riding around in my gray Escort LX pumping the cassette in the deck (wow, that was long ago). My favorites were "Machine Gun Funk," "Warning," "The What," "Unbelievable," and "Suicidal Thoughts." Overall, the album was landmark in how it mixed more R&B-ish cuts with raw, hip-hop joints. In that respect, "Ready to Die" changed the landscape of rap album architecture, and it rightly deserves to be acknowledged on the Soul Strut 100.
Peace,
Big Stacks from Kakalak
pretty much my view of your terrible opinion.
LP is a classic, beyond the genre of hiphop.
GImme The Loot is one of my favorites on there, stick-up kid anthem.