A quiet rumbling...

Cosmo

... saying.People are pissed.People also are talking that they don't want to go back to sleep.Are we witnessing a tipping point (no buzzword) in progress?Just wondering what's going to happen. I'm ready though.

Cosmo

yeah



shit is well beyond overdue

Yeah I know... but that doesn't guarantee that it will.




But what do you[/b] think?

I know how I[/b] feel.

But I'm unsure because I've never really seen this.


















People are still dazed. What's going to happen when the shock subsides? When we move into the next phase in the process of grief?

street_muzik

I hope so. I'm sure they are coming up with some sort of distraction scheme as we speak.

33thirdcom

distraction was killing the chief justice. the plans are already underway...

Don't watch the hand that is distracting you...

nah mean?

they are too good at "misdirection". they learned too much from the 60s and 70s... Someone just needs to aim for the head.

day

Some scary shit.



I thought about this being the catalyst though.

You're more in the thick of folks than where I'm at so I'll trust you know the time.



Time to stockpile...

Cosmo

Something EVENTUALLY has to be the catalyst...





















Something.

day

You know man, they are MORE than prepared for that shit with sonic weapons and who knows what else (and no, i'm not making that shit up).

I just don't know what's what anymore.

I said this on day 4.

Cosmo

Yeah I know man, but I don't want to go back to sleep, dog.

Swayze

You know man, they are MORE than prepared for that shit with sonic weapons and who knows what else (and no, i'm not making that shit up).

Vagabond

Gotta duck those dis-tractor beams folls. Stay AWAKE peoples.

Delay

dude.

saturday, i went to get some lunch w/ filthymoses at brooklyn dugout. we were starving. ordered some burgers, fries and eggcreams. so we sat there watching MSNBC... it said on the TV that some country pledged $15 million in assistance to NOLA as the waitress served our lunch. the owner, standing next to us, looking at the tv, said, "great. give all that money to the spooks."

I looked at him square in the face, "What the FUCK did you just say?!?"

him, "uhhhhh, they're gonna give that money to the people" all shook.

i threw the ketchup bottle, and we walked out. It was really all I could do not to break that dude's skull. I lost my appetite.

fuck this shit!

Cosmo

dude.

saturday, i went to get some lunch w/ filthymoses at brooklyn dugout. we were starving. ordered some burgers, fries and eggcreams. so we sat there watching MSNBC... it said on the TV that some country pledged $15 million in assistance to NOLA as the waitress served our lunch. the owner, standing next to us, looking at the tv, said, "great. give all that money to the spooks."

I looked at him square in the face, "What the FUCK did you just say?!?"

him, "uhhhhh, they're gonna give that money to the people" all shook.

i threw the ketchup bottle, and we walked out. It was really all I could do not to break that dude's skull. I lost my appetite.

fuck this shit!

Where was that Tom?

day

dude.

saturday, i went to get some lunch w/ filthymoses at brooklyn dugout. we were starving. ordered some burgers, fries and eggcreams. so we sat there watching MSNBC... it said on the TV that some country pledged $15 million in assistance to NOLA as the waitress served our lunch. the owner, standing next to us, looking at the tv, said, "great. give all that money to the spooks."

I looked at him square in the face, "What the FUCK did you just say?!?"

him, "uhhhhh, they're gonna give that money to the people" all shook.

i threw the ketchup bottle, and we walked out. It was really all I could do not to break that dude's skull. I lost my appetite.

fuck this shit!

EXACTLY

I've been seeing other shit in people popping out from all this too.

Maybe Cosmo's right.

And maybe dude should pick up his phone.

HAZ

Are we witnessing a tipping point (no buzzword) in progress?

I hope so.

Cosmo

dude.

saturday, i went to get some lunch w/ filthymoses at brooklyn dugout. we were starving. ordered some burgers, fries and eggcreams. so we sat there watching MSNBC... it said on the TV that some country pledged $15 million in assistance to NOLA as the waitress served our lunch. the owner, standing next to us, looking at the tv, said, "great. give all that money to the spooks."

I looked at him square in the face, "What the FUCK did you just say?!?"

him, "uhhhhh, they're gonna give that money to the people" all shook.

i threw the ketchup bottle, and we walked out. It was really all I could do not to break that dude's skull. I lost my appetite.

fuck this shit!

EXACTLY

I've been seeing other shit in people popping out from all this too.

Maybe Cosmo's right.

And maybe dude should pick up his phone.

Who me? Did you call me?

Delay

COOK and WAITRESS NEEDED
Reply to: [email]job-89609103@craigslist.org[/email]
Date: 2005-08-08, 1:41PM EDT


Cook and Waitress needed in trendy Williamsburg luncheonette.

Full and part-time positions available.
Apply in person at: Brooklyn's Dugout 112 Berry St. between N7th and N8th St. one block off of Bedford St.
ask for Anthony



Job location is Williamsburg

day

Yes, I called you Cosmo, but I'm about to take my kid outside for a bit, drink a beer and turn off my mental for as long as i'll let myself (which is around 20 minutes).



holler

Cosmo

in trendy Williamsburg

oh the IRONY!

Does that cancel itself out? Being ironic about an ironic place?

Yes, I called you Cosmo, but I'm about to take my kid outside for a bit, drink a beer and turn off my mental for as long as i'll let myself (which is around 20 minutes).

holler

Okay you do that. Wifey just got home and we're gonna lamp for a while.

Plus my cell don't work half the time in my studio so...

Get @ me luego.

Delay

thing is, there's nothing trendy about that place. it's a neighborhood Yankee fan spot. that's why i went there. now i want to burn it down.

prof_rockwell

The Austin Chronicle
HOME: APRIL 29, 2005: COLUMNS AND FEATURES: LETTERS AT 3AM

Letters at 3AM

BY MICHAEL VENTURA

America is over. America is like Wile E. Coyote after he's run out a few
paces past the edge of the cliff - he'll take a few more steps in midair
before he looks down. Then, when he sees that there's nothing under him,
he'll fall. Many Americans suspect that they're running on thin air, but
they haven't looked down yet. When they do ...

Former Federal Reserve Board Chairman Paul Volcker, a pillar of the
Establishment with access to economic information beyond our reach, wrote
recently: "Circumstances seem to me as dangerous and intractable as any I
can remember. ... What really concerns me is that there seems to be so
little willingness or capacity to do anything about it" (quoted in The
Economist, April 16, p.12). Volcker chooses words carefully: "dangerous and
intractable," "willingness or capacity." He's saying: The situation is
probably beyond our powers to remedy.

Gas prices can only go up. Oil production is at or near peak capacity. The
U.S. must compete for oil with China, the fastest-growing colossus in
history. But the U.S. also must borrow $2 billion a day to remain solvent,
nearly half of that from China and her neighbors, while they supply most of
our manufacturing ("Benson's Economic and Market Trends," quoted in Asia
Times Online) - so we have no cards to play with China, even militarily.
(You can't war with the bankers who finance your army and the factories that
supply your stores.) China now determines oil demand, and the U.S. has no
long-term way to influence prices. That means $4 a gallon by next spring,
and rising - $5, then $6, probably $10 by 2010 or thereabouts. Their economy
can afford it; ours can't. We may hobble along with more or less the same
way of life for the next dollar or so of hikes, but at around $4 America
changes. Drastically.

The "exburbs" and the rural poor will feel it first and hardest. Exburbians
moved to the farthest reaches of suburbia for cheap real estate, willing to
drive at least an hour each way to work. Many live marginally now. What
happens when their commute becomes prohibitively expensive, just as interest
rates and inflation rise, while their property values plummet? Urban real
estate will go up, so they won't be able to live near their jobs - and
there's nowhere else to go. In addition, thanks to Congress' recent
shameless activity, bankruptcy is no longer an option for many. What happens
to these people? Exburb refugees. A modern Dust Bowl.

For the rural poor it's even worse. They are the poorest among us, with no
assets and few skills; they earn the lowest nonimmigrant wages in America,
and they must drive. When gas hits $4, their already below-the-margin life
will be unsustainable. They'll have no choice but to be refugees and join in
the modern Dust Bowl migration. So, too, will people who live where people
were never intended to live in such numbers - places like Phoenix and Vegas,
unlivable without air conditioning and water transport (energy prices will
rise across the board, regular brownouts, blackouts, and faucet-drips will
be "the new normal" everywhere). In the desert cities, real estate will
plunge, thousands will be ruined, most will leave - while all over the
country folks will have to get used to "hot" and "cold" again.

But where will the new refugees go, and what will they do when they get
there? They will migrate to the more livable cities, where rents are already
unreasonable and social services are already strained, and where the new
refugees will compete with immigrants for the lowest-level housing and jobs.
Immigration issues will intensify to hysteria. Native-born Americans will
clamor for work that only legal and illegal aliens do now. In a culture as
prone to violence as ours, that will probably get ugly. Meanwhile, suburbs
and cities will be in various states of chaos, depending on their
infrastructure. As inflation and interest rates rise, and the real estate
bubble bursts, millions will see their assets plunge precipitously. In five
years, many who are now well-off will live as the marginal live today, while
the marginal will sink into poverty. With gas at $4-plus a gallon, real
estate values will depend on nearness to working centers and access to
transportation. As has already happened in Manhattan, the well-off will head
for what are now slums, and the slum-dwellers will go God-knows-where.
Places with decent rail service will be prime. Places without rail service
will be in deep trouble.

One key to America's future will be: How quickly can we build or rebuild
heavy and light rail? And where will we get the money to do it? Railroads
are the cheapest transport, the easiest to sustain, and the only solution to
a post-automobile America. (For reasons I haven't space to detail, hybrid
cars and alternative energy won't cut it, if by "cut it" one means retaining
anything like the present standard of living. See James Howard Kunstler's
"The Long Emergency" on Rolling Stone's Web site. Also check Mike Ruppert's
site www.fromthewilderness.com and the documentary The End of Suburbia.) A
massive investment in railroad infrastructure could offer jobs to the
unskilled and skilled alike, absorb much of the inevitable population
displacement, and create a new social equilibrium 10 or 15 years down the
line. Old RR cities like Grand Junction, Colo.; Amarillo, Texas; and
Albuquerque, N.M., could become vital centers, offering new lives for the
displaced. Railroads are key, but the question is: how to finance them?

There's only one section of our economy that has that kind of money: the
military budget. The U.S. now spends more on its military than all other
nations combined. A sane transit to a post-automobile America will require a
massive shift from military to infrastructure spending. That shift would be
supported by our bankers in China and Europe (that is, they would continue
to finance our debt) because it's in their interests that we regain economic
viability. What's not in their interests is that we remain a military
superpower.

And that's where things get really interesting. The question becomes:

Can America face reality? If the government responds to the coming changes
by attempting to remain a superpower no matter what, there is no way to
underestimate the harm. The numbers speak for themselves. Soon we'll no
longer have the resources to remain a military superpower and sustain a
livable society that is anything like what we know today. It happened to
England; it happened to Russia; it's about to happen to us. England
sustained the transformation more or less gracefully; it lost its dominance
while retaining its essential character. Russia is still in a period of
transformation, but has remained a player thanks to its oil reserves. Europe
in general - France, Germany, Italy, and Spain (all world powers in the
fairly recent past) - is creating a post-national society, the most
experimental form of governance since America's revolution. We have no
appreciable oil, and we no longer have a manufacturing base. So what will
the United States do? Sanely recognize its declining status and act
accordingly, or make one last ignoble stab to retain its position by force?

Half a century ago James Baldwin wrote: "Confronted with the impossibility
of remaining faithful to one's beliefs, and the equal impossibility of
becoming free of them, one can be driven to the most inhuman excesses."
Americans believe they're "No. 1," destined to lead the world. That is the
America that's over. If we insist on that illusion, then this world is in
for tough times. We will neither hold on to what we have nor create what we
might have, but we will wreak untold harm (if we don't destroy the species
altogether). Or we can face and embrace reality. And that reality is: There
is no such thing as "No. 1" ... there is no such thing as an ideal destined
country that is better than any other ... there is only us, doing the best
we can, trying to live free and sanely, within limits that are about to
become only too clear. Our glory days are done. What's next?

Remember, we're not talking about the far future. We're talking about the
next decade. No country gets two centuries anymore. The 21st will be
China's century. That's what $4-plus a gallon means, and nothing can stop
it. So: How will we change? But the question "How will we change?" is really
the question "How will I change?" Because history isn't a spectator sport.
It's you and me. Everything depends on whether we side with reality or
illusion. Face reality, and we have a chance. Cling to illusion, and we are
lost. The America we've known is over - very soon. The America we can create
is up to us.

Copyright ?? 2005 Austin Chronicle Corporation. All rights reserved.
http://www.austinchronicle.com/issues/dispatch/2005-04-29/cols_ventura.html





To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are
to stand by the
president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, it is
morally treasonable to
the American public.

Theodore Roosevelt

Zeke

Would I like to see something[/b] happen?
Yes.

Do I think it will?
Absolutely not. People are too complacent. There have been a lot of rumblings in the circle of people I run with here.. well-equipped and intelligent men and women are saying, "Now!" but how many people are really willing to potentially throw it all away to act? I know a few, but not enough. Urban guerilla tactics against such an oppressive force require much more organization than I honestly believe will be allowed to happen. Talking about it online serves it's purpose but it has to go beyond discourse.

Just my 2 cents.

Peace (in our lifetime),
Zeke

Fatback

TheeeCasualMale

Vagabond

Vagabond

Oh shit, I didn't see Day already used that picture.

Grafwritah

Just try to keep in perspective how much bullshit has gone on in various administrations. Nixon and Reagan are excellent examples, and just the tip of the iceberg. It's important to be on top of things but you can't let this shit run you. It's important, but not that important, especially given the effect that any one of us can have on the overall political situation.

This, on the other hand, is of the utmost importance. Not only is it amazingly more positive, you as an individual have a huge amount of influence and can use it for the better.



Sometimes you just gotta put shit in perspective.

Grafwritah

The debate on auto dependence has long been going on. Most European countries keep gas prices ridiculously high (above the $4+ mark that the author talks about) to depress auto usage and emphasize public transportation and a concentrated populus.

They don't have the sprawl that we have in the US, and seem to be better about maintaining their cities.



In the short term, yes, a bitch - but if this does happen, in the long term it will drastically affect the environment for the better.

funky16corners

yeah



shit is well beyond overdue

Not to mention that NOLA is going to be a long term problem, not only in the salvage/salvation of the city, but the peripheral problems with the displaced citizens assimilating into their new locations, temporarily or permanently. I don't think Bush is going to be able to seep this under the rug anytime soon...

Birdman9

yeah



shit is well beyond overdue

Not to mention that NOLA is going to be a long term problem, not only in the salvage/salvation of the city, but the peripheral problems with the displaced citizens assimilating into their new locations, temporarily or permanently. I don't think Bush is going to be able to seep this under the rug anytime soon...

The power of the dark side is strong in this group...

But keep the faith, baby!

batmon

dude.

saturday, i went to get some lunch w/ filthymoses at brooklyn dugout. we were starving. ordered some burgers, fries and eggcreams. so we sat there watching MSNBC... it said on the TV that some country pledged $15 million in assistance to NOLA as the waitress served our lunch. the owner, standing next to us, looking at the tv, said, "great. give all that money to the spooks."

I looked at him square in the face, "What the FUCK did you just say?!?"

him, "uhhhhh, they're gonna give that money to the people" all shook.

i threw the ketchup bottle, and we walked out. It was really all I could do not to break that dude's skull. I lost my appetite.

fuck this shit!

Good for you, Delay.

Im sorry folks, but I think Americans will fall right back in line once this shit simmers down.

Jonny_Paycheck

dude.

saturday, i went to get some lunch w/ filthymoses at brooklyn dugout. we were starving. ordered some burgers, fries and eggcreams. so we sat there watching MSNBC... it said on the TV that some country pledged $15 million in assistance to NOLA as the waitress served our lunch. the owner, standing next to us, looking at the tv, said, "great. give all that money to the spooks."

I looked at him square in the face, "What the FUCK did you just say?!?"

him, "uhhhhh, they're gonna give that money to the people" all shook.

i threw the ketchup bottle, and we walked out. It was really all I could do not to break that dude's skull. I lost my appetite.

fuck this shit!

Good for you, Delay.

Im sorry folks, but I think Americans will fall right back in line once this shit simmers down.

I think Americans already are. I think many, many people see this as not their problem and good ol George just did the best he could. I mean, who knew?

BARF.