Purdie or Muhammad?

tabira

I'm an Idris man myself. I realise that all the prestige joints I keep coming back to have him on them (same for CTI and Kudu too). It's a less is more thing - less hi hat, less bass drum - but right where it matters.

now agree with me

MR_ZIMMS

Listen to Purdie's share on Aretha's "Rock Steady" & you will recognize the same style of drumming as on numerous Prestige recordings or pop / rock tracks he's featured on.
On the other hand, Idris can fool you by playing jazz in that way you'll never recognize Idris in the song...
That Idris Muhammad & Joe Lovano cd on Cannonball Records for instance, drums & sax only & enjoyable from start to finish. So my vote: Muhammad

tabira

MR_ZIMMS said:

Listen to Purdie's share on Aretha's "Rock Steady" & you will recognize the same style of drumming as on numerous Prestige recordings or pop / rock tracks he's featured on.
On the other hand, Idris can fool you by playing jazz in that way you'll never recognize Idris in the song...
That Idris Muhammad & Joe Lovano cd on Cannonball Records for instance, drums & sax only & enjoyable from start to finish. So my vote: Muhammad

yeah I was surprised to discover Idris drummed on Walter Bishop's Coral Keys when I finally bothered to read the line up years after buying it. I can tell him a mile away with the funky stuff but not when he's doing it straight ahead when he really blends in.

Jimster

Just 'cos Idris throws some curveballs, Purdie is more doggie-tail-pounding-the-floor. Both great players.

skel

Dollar Brand y'all.

Idris if only for Lorans Dance.
TMSRT

Pattrick

Ronnie Verrall.

stratasphere

Purdie by a hair for his playing on this one...

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jones

volumen

Yea, Idris has styles upon styles but Purdie fixed all the Beatles records.

fishmongerfunk

can't choose one over the other, both could play it all and did. idris did have better solo records though.

tabira

volumen said:

Yea, Idris has styles upon styles but Purdie fixed all the Beatles records.

I always found it really odd that any drummer let alone one as proficient as Purdie would choose The Beatles to steal the credit from. I mean they were at the top of their game in almost every department except drumming. It's like stealing the credit from Kenny G for his searching improvisation.

fishmongerfunk

tabira said:

volumen said:

Yea, Idris has styles upon styles but Purdie fixed all the Beatles records.

I always found it really odd that any drummer let alone one as proficient as Purdie would choose The Beatles to steal the credit from. I mean they were at the top of their game in almost every department except drumming. It's like stealing the credit from Kenny G for his searching improvisation.

so have purdie's bealtes claims been thoroughly debunked.

tabira

crabmongerfunk said:

tabira said:

volumen said:

Yea, Idris has styles upon styles but Purdie fixed all the Beatles records.

I always found it really odd that any drummer let alone one as proficient as Purdie would choose The Beatles to steal the credit from. I mean they were at the top of their game in almost every department except drumming. It's like stealing the credit from Kenny G for his searching improvisation.

so have purdie's bealtes claims been thoroughly debunked.

I was surprised just to hear that he was even serious about it in the first place. When I first heard of it I assumed it was tasteless swipe intended to point out the gulf between his talents and Ringo's.

tabira

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volumen

crabmongerfunk said:

tabira said:

volumen said:

Yea, Idris has styles upon styles but Purdie fixed all the Beatles records.

I always found it really odd that any drummer let alone one as proficient as Purdie would choose The Beatles to steal the credit from. I mean they were at the top of their game in almost every department except drumming. It's like stealing the credit from Kenny G for his searching improvisation.

so have purdie's bealtes claims been thoroughly debunked.

Purdie says it was just him and a producer and engineer adding a drum track in the studio and everybody was paid to shut up. If to be believed he's the only one still alive that was there so it's pretty convenient for his story. I think someone showed how it was unlikely that any Beatles people would have even been in the states at the time due to some promo tour in Europe or something. The chemtrails and making it all fuzzy............

Electrode

I'm partial to Joanna Lumley, but she doesn't have experience and influence of the prophet. Both should settle it with a drum battle.

kala

i often wonder and hope it was bernard playing on tomorrow never knows

i love them both but will vote james black for the king foil and clyde for the same spot as idris and bernard

Fred_Garvin

volumen said:

Purdie says it was just him and a producer and engineer adding a drum track in the studio and everybody was paid to shut up. If to be believed he's the only one still alive that was there so it's pretty convenient for his story. I think someone showed how it was unlikely that any Beatles people would have even been in the states at the time due to some promo tour in Europe or something. The chemtrails and making it all fuzzy............

A number of people have written about the factors that make Purdie's story improbable at best.

I don't buy it either. A lot of his claims just don't add up, like the one that Brian Epstein brought him in for the sessions, with only a couple of other people around. Given the limitations of technology at the time, and George Martin's attention to detail, there's no way that could have been done behind his back without him noticing the difference in the finished product upon hearing it later. There's also the fact that Purdie claims it was done at Capitol... except the earliest Beatles US releases were not on Capitol (nor were the UK releases), meaning that for some of the songs in question, which had already been released at the time he claims the sessions took place, the drums on the Capitol versions would be different from the previously released ones (they're not, obviously).

He's been saying for who knows how many years that the details will be in his autobiography. That'll be interesting, if it ever happens.

One of the best drummers out there, to be sure, and definitely contributed to a lot of famous recordings, but I think he went too far with this one.

So as much as I enjoy Purdie, maybe I have to go with Idris, based on that alone.

soulcitizen

Idris for his Blue Notes under his real name Leroy Morris on top of his later works

Horseleech

soulcitizen said:

Idris for his Blue Notes under his real name Leroy Morris on top of his later works

It was all downhill after Blueberry Hill for me.

Reynaldo

I prefer Idris' swing.

DocMcCoy

crabmongerfunk said:

tabira said:

volumen said:

Yea, Idris has styles upon styles but Purdie fixed all the Beatles records.

I always found it really odd that any drummer let alone one as proficient as Purdie would choose The Beatles to steal the credit from. I mean they were at the top of their game in almost every department except drumming. It's like stealing the credit from Kenny G for his searching improvisation.

so have purdie's bealtes claims been thoroughly debunked.

They were never bunked to begin with. Chemtrails-level nonsensical.

HarveyCanal

DocMcCoy said:

Chemtrails-level nonsensical.

fishmongerfunk

i wish idris had recorded in more pop type of settings. huge fan of his playing on "feel like making love" and eugene mcdaniel's "natural juices"...does anyone have the video of roberta flack performing live i guess from that album with a huge ass orchestra with idris in the middle?

cai

Reynaldo said:

I prefer Idris' swing.

Me too. I notice often when it breaks down to Purdie, his drumming is almost too exactly 'on' for me, almost cold and machine like. Obviously he's an incredible drummer but I just enjoy Idris's playing more.

Edit- I saw idris's play with Ahmad Jamal in 2003, he walked onto stage fully hunched and slowly- an old man - but as soon as he sat behind the drums he played with the energy of a 25 year old.

tabira

Idris also wins on background groaning. If like me you've spun Loran's Dance ?? zillion times you'll know what I mean.

:feelin_it:

HarveyCanal

The one from New Orleans of course.

Possum Slim

At the moment Muhammed, been listening to his solo joints a lot lately.

Hollafame

I'm usually partial to Idris myself...but you gotta admit Pretty Purdie goes HAM on this one:

asstro

I ride for Purdie, baddest shuffle drummer of all time.

Horseleech

cai said:

I notice often when it breaks down to Purdie, his drumming is almost too exactly 'on' for me.

Purdie is all about being in the pocket, Idris can move in and out of the pocket with equal skill.

Idris on versatility alone.