Presidential Debate

sabadabada

This meads it's own thread, so I only have to go one place to see all your heads explode. I'll start things off. That wasn't a debate as much as it was Mitt Romney taking Obama fo a cross-country drive, strapped to the roof of his car. Even Bill Maher said, "Romney was just one minute away from holding Obama down and cutting his hair."

SmallAxeRick

I'm not much of a Romney fan but I thoroughly enjoyed watching him trounce the big O.

GatorToof

I think Romney did a fine job.

I liked his explanation of generating more tax revenue by lowering taxes and increasing the number of people taxed.

skel

sabadabada said:

it was Mitt Romney taking Obama fo a cross-country drive, strapped to the roof of his car

Post pix or it didn't happen

The_Hook_Up

Yes Romney might have brought most of the 37 people who were undecided into his camp. He did appear more chipper than O. He reached new levels of mendacity and Obama wasn't prepared for Mitt lying and saying that he is actually a moderate. I expect a slight change in the polls. Mitt had his John Kerry moment, beating the incumbent in a debate, but I highly doubt anybody changed their vote because of the debates. If you did then you are the type of person who buys extended warranties...

DJ_Enki

The_Hook_Up said:

I highly doubt anybody changed their vote because of the debates.

That's what I thought, too. They both just stood up there and delivered talking points that have been heard plenty of times before and that are aimed at their respective bases. It was way unconvincing all the way through.

Mitt sure did lie a lot, though, even for a politician in a debate.

Rockadelic

You can always tell who won a debate by who is saying how unimportant it was.

white_tea

It was interesting and smart to see Romney move toward the center, and also smart that -- since he has offered very few specifics on his plans for taxes et al -- that he was able to accuse Obama of distorting his views. Well, yeah!

To a certain extent the more left-leaning media was also overcompensating for piling on Romney during the last several months -- and for good reason, Romney *was* bad -- and it was a perfect storm of Romney scoring some good points for the first time in a while and him getting extra credit on MSNBC and elsewhere, just so they could say, "See, we're fair to the challenger."

With a month left before the election, I wonder, too, if Obama's camp wasn't ceding the debate on the crude grounds of wanting to hit a low point now rather than later. Obama has obviously held his polling since the convention and it'd be tough to take that lead all the way until November without a few bumps in the road. All of this may make no sense whatsoever -- I had a lot to drink last night.

The_Hook_Up

Rockadelic said:

You can always tell who won a debate by who is saying how unimportant it was.

You know as well as anyone that these "Un-scripted" scripted debates are not really debates...just a chance for both sides to say the same things they have been saying all election. It's not really a debate...the moderator effectively dealt the death blow to this type of debate with his incompetence. Hopefully this car wreck of a debate will perpetuate a change in style of how these things are structured. Funny how people who think these debates are game changers when the candidate for the biggest chance to shit on themselves emerges with a clean pair of underpants that it is considered a significant victory. The bar for success is ridiculously low if all it takes to win is not getting your own fecal excretion all over yourself.

sabadabada

The_Hook_Up said:

Rockadelic said:

You can always tell who won a debate by who is saying how unimportant it was.

You know as well as anyone that these "Un-scripted" scripted debates are not really debates...just a chance for both sides to say the same things they have been saying all election. It's not really a debate...the moderator effectively dealt the death blow to this type of debate with his incompetence. Hopefully this car wreck of a debate will perpetuate a change in style of how these things are structured. Funny how people who think these debates are game changers when the candidate for the biggest chance to shit on themselves emerges with a clean pair of underpants that it is considered a significant victory. The bar for success is ridiculously low if all it takes to win is not getting your own fecal excretion all over yourself.

Oh. I think I get it now. These debates aren't really debates, so when Romney won, he didn't really win. Thanks for totally clearing that up.

The_Hook_Up

sabadabada said:

The_Hook_Up said:

Rockadelic said:

You can always tell who won a debate by who is saying how unimportant it was.

You know as well as anyone that these "Un-scripted" scripted debates are not really debates...just a chance for both sides to say the same things they have been saying all election. It's not really a debate...the moderator effectively dealt the death blow to this type of debate with his incompetence. Hopefully this car wreck of a debate will perpetuate a change in style of how these things are structured. Funny how people who think these debates are game changers when the candidate for the biggest chance to shit on themselves emerges with a clean pair of underpants that it is considered a significant victory. The bar for success is ridiculously low if all it takes to win is not getting your own fecal excretion all over yourself.

Oh. I think I get it now. These debates aren't really debates, so when Romney won, he didn't really win. Thanks for totally clearing that up.

All I said was it wasn't a game changer...he won. If Obama won it wouldn't have made a difference Show me where I have said these debates are important and make all the difference. I personally believe these debates are crappy and have been for awhile. Be proud of your candidate, he won. But at the same time, big deal.

The_Hook_Up

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sabadabada said:

The_Hook_Up said:

Rockadelic said:

You can always tell who won a debate by who is saying how unimportant it was.

You know as well as anyone that these "Un-scripted" scripted debates are not really debates...just a chance for both sides to say the same things they have been saying all election. It's not really a debate...the moderator effectively dealt the death blow to this type of debate with his incompetence. Hopefully this car wreck of a debate will perpetuate a change in style of how these things are structured. Funny how people who think these debates are game changers when the candidate for the biggest chance to shit on themselves emerges with a clean pair of underpants that it is considered a significant victory. The bar for success is ridiculously low if all it takes to win is not getting your own fecal excretion all over yourself.

Oh. I think I get it now. These debates aren't really debates, so when Romney won, he didn't really win. Thanks for totally clearing that up.

All I said was it wasn't a game changer...he won. If Obama won it wouldn't have made a difference either. Show me where I have said these debates are important and make all the difference. I personally believe these debates are crappy and have been for awhile. Be proud of your candidate, he won. But at the same time, big deal.

sabadabada

Alright already. I heard you the first time.

vintageinfants

i know who won the debate past night; THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.

right guys?

DJ_Enki

vintageinfants said:

i know who won the debate past night; THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.

right guys?

This man has a future in politics!

sabadabada

Thymebomb13 said:

Romney "won" by backing away from the core of the campaign that he's been running for 2 years, which is his plan to reduce tax rates on the rich by 20%. That's been the key part of his trickle-down theory to get the economy moving, and last night he just flat-out denied that he wanted to do any such thing. It was the most awesome lie I've ever seen a politician attempt, and I remember Nixon.

Faced with a liar of this stature Obama needs to come out for the next debate with some real anger in his approach, because there is nothing Willard won't lie about in order to win this election.

A bigger lie than Obama saying that Obamacare was "a bipartisan idea. In fact, it was a Republican idea." Because that was a pretty big one.

The_Hook_Up

sabadabada said:

Thymebomb13 said:

Romney "won" by backing away from the core of the campaign that he's been running for 2 years, which is his plan to reduce tax rates on the rich by 20%. That's been the key part of his trickle-down theory to get the economy moving, and last night he just flat-out denied that he wanted to do any such thing. It was the most awesome lie I've ever seen a politician attempt, and I remember Nixon.

Faced with a liar of this stature Obama needs to come out for the next debate with some real anger in his approach, because there is nothing Willard won't lie about in order to win this election.

A bigger lie than Obama saying that Obamacare was "a bipartisan idea. In fact, it was a Republican idea." Because that was a pretty big one.

Wasn't it a Dole idea? Wasn't Dole a Republican?

sabadabada

The_Hook_Up said:

sabadabada said:

Thymebomb13 said:

Romney "won" by backing away from the core of the campaign that he's been running for 2 years, which is his plan to reduce tax rates on the rich by 20%. That's been the key part of his trickle-down theory to get the economy moving, and last night he just flat-out denied that he wanted to do any such thing. It was the most awesome lie I've ever seen a politician attempt, and I remember Nixon.

Faced with a liar of this stature Obama needs to come out for the next debate with some real anger in his approach, because there is nothing Willard won't lie about in order to win this election.

A bigger lie than Obama saying that Obamacare was "a bipartisan idea. In fact, it was a Republican idea." Because that was a pretty big one.

Wasn't it a Dole idea? Wasn't Dole a Republican?

If you're talking about mandates it was Chafee not Dole. But I don't limit the success of that great piece of bipartisan statesmanship to just the mandate. Its the elegant simplicity of the two thousand pages of legislative doublespeak that is its true accomplishment. So I guess its nice that Obama is sharing the credit for that. So generous.

Bon Vivant

The_Hook_Up said:

sabadabada said:

Thymebomb13 said:

Romney "won" by backing away from the core of the campaign that he's been running for 2 years, which is his plan to reduce tax rates on the rich by 20%. That's been the key part of his trickle-down theory to get the economy moving, and last night he just flat-out denied that he wanted to do any such thing. It was the most awesome lie I've ever seen a politician attempt, and I remember Nixon.

Faced with a liar of this stature Obama needs to come out for the next debate with some real anger in his approach, because there is nothing Willard won't lie about in order to win this election.

A bigger lie than Obama saying that Obamacare was "a bipartisan idea. In fact, it was a Republican idea." Because that was a pretty big one.

Wasn't it a Dole idea? Wasn't Dole a Republican?

Yes, Saba just lied about it. Clearly taking a page out of Rmoney's playbook. Saba also wants to take a page out of Pizza the Cain's playbook and limit all legislation to 6 pages or less.

DJ_Enki

The_Hook_Up said:

sabadabada said:

Thymebomb13 said:

Romney "won" by backing away from the core of the campaign that he's been running for 2 years, which is his plan to reduce tax rates on the rich by 20%. That's been the key part of his trickle-down theory to get the economy moving, and last night he just flat-out denied that he wanted to do any such thing. It was the most awesome lie I've ever seen a politician attempt, and I remember Nixon.

Faced with a liar of this stature Obama needs to come out for the next debate with some real anger in his approach, because there is nothing Willard won't lie about in order to win this election.

A bigger lie than Obama saying that Obamacare was "a bipartisan idea. In fact, it was a Republican idea." Because that was a pretty big one.

Wasn't it a Dole idea? Wasn't Dole a Republican?

And cooked up by the Heritage Foundation, which now is officially obliged to call its own work "socialist."

Anyway, I figure there were only two ways for this debate to have been a serious game changer:

Romney saying, "The president is a ni-"*CLANG*

Obama saying, "Kill all the white people--but vote for me first!"

I can't even remember the last time a presidential debate really changed the complexion of a race. Anybody?

The_Hook_Up

So, tell me, if you are a Romney supporter then you support what he will do, you support who he really is...then you know he was lying about his plans last night...so if you are excited about what he did last night, then you are excited that his attempt of deception, in hopes of conning people to come over to your side, was successful. You are knowingly supporting a liar for his skill in lying. Correct? If I am not correct, then which Romney do you think is real? The Romney that tells people what he really thinks so that they will give him money? The moderate Romney that we saw last night? Is he a moderate that cons rich people out of their money in order to see his moderate, compassionate worldview become policy, or is he a severe conservative that cons moderates out of their vote so he can make sure he and his pals stay obscenely rich? He can't be David AND Goliath...which Romney is the real Romney?

Rockadelic

Thymebomb13 said:

sabadabada said:

Thymebomb13 said:

Romney "won" by backing away from the core of the campaign that he's been running for 2 years, which is his plan to reduce tax rates on the rich by 20%. That's been the key part of his trickle-down theory to get the economy moving, and last night he just flat-out denied that he wanted to do any such thing. It was the most awesome lie I've ever seen a politician attempt, and I remember Nixon.

Faced with a liar of this stature Obama needs to come out for the next debate with some real anger in his approach, because there is nothing Willard won't lie about in order to win this election.

A bigger lie than Obama saying that Obamacare was "a bipartisan idea. In fact, it was a Republican idea." Because that was a pretty big one.

That's not a lie at all. Obamacare is a clone of "Romneycare," which was based on Bob Dole's old health care plan.

It's nice that you're admitting Willard lied, though.

LOL...."Nobody calls it Romneycare it was Ted Kennedy who came up with it"

Rockadelic

The reactions of the media/politicians are far more entertaining than the debate itself.

"Gore Blames Altitude for Obama's Debate Woes"

keithvanhorn

sabadabada said:

This meads it's own thread, so I only have to go one place to see all your heads explode. I'll start things off. That wasn't a debate as much as it was Mitt Romney taking Obama fo a cross-country drive, strapped to the roof of his car. Even Bill Maher said, "Romney was just one minute away from holding Obama down and cutting his hair."

He did a very good job of promising that he can deliver everything to everyone without any sacrifice (or providing any details), while offering critique of the guy who honestly says you can't have it all. How does Obama argue with someone who has no record or a plan (that he will stand by)? Obama would have pleased liberals if he made personal attacks on Romney (the 47%/Bain/Flip-flopper/corporate shill) but that was clearly not his strategy. He would rather look good and lose, as Billy Hoyle once said, but in this case, he might be right. Let's see how this plays out over the next week when the Obama camp calls for Romney to back up his claims.

Mr_Lee_PHD

I was hoping Obama would directly ask Romney 'SPECIFICALLY, which loopholes do you plan to close?'.

There are a lot of questions Obama could have hit Romney with that would have easily knocked him off balance, but didn't ask.

I'm hoping Obama is playing a long game strategy, and is saving these questions til later in the debating process.

PS... ITS MY 2000th POAST! Mix to follow soon.

Rockadelic

Thymebomb13 said:

Rockadelic said:

Thymebomb13 said:

sabadabada said:

Thymebomb13 said:

Romney "won" by backing away from the core of the campaign that he's been running for 2 years, which is his plan to reduce tax rates on the rich by 20%. That's been the key part of his trickle-down theory to get the economy moving, and last night he just flat-out denied that he wanted to do any such thing. It was the most awesome lie I've ever seen a politician attempt, and I remember Nixon.

Faced with a liar of this stature Obama needs to come out for the next debate with some real anger in his approach, because there is nothing Willard won't lie about in order to win this election.

A bigger lie than Obama saying that Obamacare was "a bipartisan idea. In fact, it was a Republican idea." Because that was a pretty big one.

That's not a lie at all. Obamacare is a clone of "Romneycare," which was based on Bob Dole's old health care plan.

It's nice that you're admitting Willard lied, though.

LOL...."Nobody calls it Romneycare it was Ted Kennedy who came up with it"

That's why I put "Romneycare" in quotes, chuckles.

And though you hear the phrase occasionally now, before this current presidential campaign no one here used the term or gave Willard much credit for the plan, even though he wanted the credit before he disavowed it before he once again wants the credit for it.

The plan itself is very popular here, as it gives us almost universal coverage, putting us on an almost equal basis with higher civilizations like Norway. But Willard's not popular here.

How much of "Romneycare" did Ted Kennedy come up with?

b/w

It's painfully obvious that "Chuckles" is your default when you're on the defensive.

GatorToof

The_Hook_Up said:

So, tell me, if you are a Romney supporter then you support what he will do, you support who he really is...then you know he was lying about his plans last night...so if you are excited about what he did last night, then you are excited that his attempt of deception, in hopes of conning people to come over to your side, was successful. You are knowingly supporting a liar for his skill in lying. Correct? If I am not correct, then which Romney do you think is real? The Romney that tells people what he really thinks so that they will give him money? The moderate Romney that we saw last night? Is he a moderate that cons rich people out of their money in order to see his moderate, compassionate worldview become policy, or is he a severe conservative that cons moderates out of their vote so he can make sure he and his pals stay obscenely rich? He can't be David AND Goliath...which Romney is the real Romney?

Ridiculous, you can't be serious. Did you think he was lying when he started talking about regulating trade with China, "if and when they cheat?"

The_Hook_Up

GatorToof said:

The_Hook_Up said:

So, tell me, if you are a Romney supporter then you support what he will do, you support who he really is...then you know he was lying about his plans last night...so if you are excited about what he did last night, then you are excited that his attempt of deception, in hopes of conning people to come over to your side, was successful. You are knowingly supporting a liar for his skill in lying. Correct? If I am not correct, then which Romney do you think is real? The Romney that tells people what he really thinks so that they will give him money? The moderate Romney that we saw last night? Is he a moderate that cons rich people out of their money in order to see his moderate, compassionate worldview become policy, or is he a severe conservative that cons moderates out of their vote so he can make sure he and his pals stay obscenely rich? He can't be David AND Goliath...which Romney is the real Romney?

Ridiculous, you can't be serious. Did you think he was lying when he started talking about regulating trade with China, "if and when they cheat?"

I was talking about taxes, jobs, health care, Medicare...you know, those things.

skel

Bon Vivant said:

and limit all legislation soulstrut political threads to 6 pages or less.

fixed

Frank

keithvanhorn said:

sabadabada said:

This meads it's own thread, so I only have to go one place to see all your heads explode. I'll start things off. That wasn't a debate as much as it was Mitt Romney taking Obama fo a cross-country drive, strapped to the roof of his car. Even Bill Maher said, "Romney was just one minute away from holding Obama down and cutting his hair."

He did a very good job of promising that he can deliver everything to everyone without any sacrifice (or providing any details), while offering critique of the guy who honestly says you can't have it all. How does Obama argue with someone who has no record or a plan (that he will stand by)?

These were my thoughts exactly.
I was honestly surprised when I read everywhere how good Romney supposedly did. I guess if you believed him everything he said then he did ok but doesn't this guy radiate less integrity and respectability than a proverbial used car (or snake oil) salesman?

Obama was purposely soft on him so Mitt's going to be even more flabbergasted when Obama's eventually wiping the floor with him. Which might happen at a point when Romney won't have time to recover or retaliate. At least I hope so for the sheer sake of entertainment.

DJ_Enki

Rockadelic said:

The reactions of the media/politicians are far more entertaining than the debate itself.

"Gore Blames Altitude for Obama's Debate Woes"

Jebus, that's stupid.