Check out this little sh1t expose the Monsanto Corp and tell them to shove it!
downtownrobbrown
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downtownrobbrown
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their business practices may be (definitely are) ruinous and immoral, but there is nothing wrong with GM crops.
evidence on health effects of GM crops may be unclear, but that doesn't meant that there's nothing wrong with GM crops.
There is enough food, the problem is it's unequally distributed &/or used for other purposes (ex. biofuels or livestock feed).
It's been a while since I've taken a look at any of the GMO-related issues, but my understanding was always that there isn't any scientific evidence that they cause any of the health problems that some people attribute to them. Has there been a reversal on this?
you want to put them in charge of the world food supply? proprietary seed stock, terminator seeds, and all this fuckery is intended to crush independent farming and make everyone dependent on their experiments for survival. there is a reason that many countries refuse to harbor gmo crops.
excellent message...... but surely depressing when you pull the curtain away.
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aye, that is correct. but because people don't understand genetics (or are unwilling to learn it) they talk all kinds of shite about it.
Sure there's *some* good to be derived from GMO.
However, Monsanto is among more craven, ruthless corps I've ever come across...
AND shouldn't our FOOD SUPPLY (in contrast to, say, the laptop market or music licensing or some other industry not fundamental to the survival of our human race) be the subject of a little more oversight than the average industry? I dunno, maybe Monsanto shouldn't be running things, that's all.
let me clarify the relation. Monsanto made fortunes for its investors on both of them.
i agree you cant associate GM crops with Monsanto, just like McDonalds isnt the sole representative of the fastfood market.
also 100% with vintage...that little kid was super puppety. but fuck it, at least its positive. kids have parrotted much worse shit
Monsanto is also doing this crazy shit where if your non-Monsanto crops get accidently germinated by Monsanto spores from a nearby Monsanto farm, Monsanto is suing you. It's basically just an underhanded way for Monsanto to shut down organic farms which they view as competition.
Assholes won't be happy until all there is in the world is Monsanto crops. Fuck them!
evidence? i am involved in plant breeding and this is true of some species establishment anyway. genetic modifications occur in nature though mutations and competition from environmental stress and natural selection. this is how all organisms adapt and evolve. the speed of it doesn't matter, one year or a million years. there is no difference in organic crops or GM.
mosanto is not your friend, sorry and gmo's are a sketchy proposition and DEFINITELY not what we should be banking global food production on
it's not just monsanto though, everyone does this - bayer, johnsons, british seed houses, syngenta, barenbrug. if we are going to get into this argument, might as well talk about the ethics of the clothes on our backs and where our laptop components are made etc. it's just how the world works, it's shite, but there is no alternative.
strictly speaking, biologically, there is nothing at all sketchy about GMO's. i work in the industry, have a post grad qualification, and the amount of propaganda, fear mongering and conspiracies surrounding this subject is crazy.
Dude, come on. Just because other companies do it, doesn't make it anymore acceptable. If we regularly adopt the attitude "well that's the way it is" or "that's how the world works" than why not just say f*ck it and let it all go to waste. The false equivalency between clothing & Monsanto crops & practices is quite a stretch. However overblown the hype or 'propaganda' may be about gmo's, there are certain consequences pertaining to these crops & the shady practices surrounding their use that put all of our food supply & health at risk. The huge drop in bee populations in North America, may very well be linked to or at least partially caused by some of these crops. Don't forget Monsanto produces pesticides. You should look in to some of the shit they do to farmers & some of the devastation their products have caused; there are several docs out there.
rubbish. i watched one of those documentaries just before xmas and used to read the conspiracy websites years ago. i'm not at all defending monsanto, but if we are talking about ethics it is all exactly the same. 'fuck it and let it all go to waste' is exactly what is happening. i would love to live in a world without capitalism and bent government in the pockets of exploiting multi national corporations but it's not going to happen.
putting monsanto completely to one side, i don't believe anyone here is well informed enough to talk like they are about GMO's. same goes for pesticides which i am trained to use and lecture on.
and pesticides belong to many different groups of chemicals and hormones that do vastly different things. the advances being made means they are nothing like they used to be in the 60's and 70's etc. all of those have been rightly banned. legislation is heavy as fuck over here in europe. several countries are not even allowed to spray them at all. the bee population thing is very concerning and research has been going on for years into safer, more selective and controlled pesticides, direct action use.
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it!" (Upton Sinclair)
Legislation is heavy because they've already seen the damage that it can do. They've already degraded soils & polluted our environments from the seeping of said pesticides into the aquifers for instance. They don't get to have the benefit of the doubt anymore.
You watched "one of those documentaries" but can't be bothered to say which one or respond to it but you've helpfully added that it was just before xmas that you saw it. I see how this works.
You tout your credentials in the vaguest way possible and cite no facts or statistics. I guess we should all just shut up and listen to you.
I often wonder, how many of you condescending scientificial types would be ok with standing in a field as you were showered with your own pesticides? I mean, does it take an advanced degree to think this? Or does having thoughts like this preclude one from going into your line of work?
I'll grant that the GMO scare is largely that, a scare. The people who feel that combining two types of fruit may cause cancer in the long term are probably wrong. People focus on GMOs rather than toxics because it's relatively easier to localize one's thinking around the idea of genetically tampering with things that evolved over millions of years than it is to consider what it means to live on poisoned food, breathe heavy metals, and so on and so forth.
And I'll grant that it appears that while the Terminator patent was purchased by Monsanto, they have not deployed it, bless their hearts.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monsanto#Terminator_seed_controversy
http://www.monsanto.com/newsviews/Pages/terminator-seeds.aspx
None of which is to say that defending Monsanto, which is exactly what you just did, repeatedly, isn't the very definition of NAGL.
Sorry but if you are indeed a scientist then you understand the very rudimentary concept of biodiversity and thus how GMO's and reducing crop types are an hindrance to this?
Why do I walk into most large grocery stores and see only 1 type of cucumber, 2 types of tomato? An old post war industry that now propagates only one seed type, not good. We have lost so many crop types in such a short time because of these big businesses. There's nothing to believe in or not vis a vis conspiracy, these aren't speculations they are facts.
seeds that can only be harvested one season, created by a corporation, in a lab, with the specific purpose of rendering farmers dependent and increasing profits = genetic mutations that occur naturally over the course of 1,000,000 years.
guys, it's just a difference in scale; it's essentially the same thing!