The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo/Stieg Larsson

AlmondAlmond 1,427 Posts
edited July 2010 in Strut Central
I've been making my way through my to-read list and The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo is the best thing I've read in a while. It's by Swedish author Stieg Larsson and is the first in a trilogy of books (Dragon is followed by The Girl Who Played with Fire and The Girl Who Kicked the Hornet's Nest). I'm almost done with Fire. I watched the Dragon Tattoo movie but was bored since I already knew what happened.

Has anyone else read this or seen the movie? It is a well-constructed crime novel overall, but I recommend it just on the basis of entertainment value. It's not a "girlie" book, nor is it a "quick" read. I'm not a slow reader, but the series is detailed and requires an attentive reader.

Anyway, thoughts? None of my friends read, so I'm at a loss for actual face-to-face discussion with other humans. Interwebs will have to do.
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  • bassiebassie 11,710 Posts
    Almond said:
    None of my friends read,

    Aren't you in university? The friends you have in school don't read for pleasure?


    This cannot be an age thing - I know university-age people and they read off the reading list like their lives depend on it.

    (I have not read these books or seen these movies)

  • SoulOnIceSoulOnIce 13,027 Posts
    Haven't read the book, but just watched the first movie the other night. I actually enjoyed it, thought it was creepy, but kind of wish somebody had warned me about the multiple violent rape scenes of both genders that were included in my viewing experience ... yikes.

  • DORDOR Two Ron Toe 9,905 Posts
    I think we already recommended the movie in another thread, but make sure to read this and check out the film version, before the US version drops.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Let_the_Right_One_In

    While I'm not into the vampire thing. It's pretty great.

  • AlmondAlmond 1,427 Posts
    bassie said:
    Almond said:
    None of my friends read,

    Aren't you in university? The friends you have in school don't read for pleasure?


    This cannot be an age thing - I know university-age people and they read off the reading list like their lives depend on it.

    (I have not read these books or seen these movies)

    I am a graduate student of economics. We do numbers. Literacy isn't required.
    Very few of my friends read books for pleasure.

  • AlmondAlmond 1,427 Posts
    SoulOnIce said:
    Haven't read the book, but just watched the first movie the other night. I actually enjoyed it, thought it was creepy, but kind of wish somebody had warned me about the multiple violent rape scenes of both genders that were included in my viewing experience ... yikes.

    I'm sorry you weren't warned. The book provided more foreshadowing than the movie. The original Swedish title of the Dragon book is Men Who Hate Women, but of course it can't be marketed in the U.S. under that name. I don't necessarily think it's about "hatred" of women per se, but Larsson explores violence against women in society and how it's accepted in a way. I mean, the lawyer/guardian sees a small women who has no close friends, is financially dependent, supposedly has mental issues and will not be missed by many if she disappeared into thin air. The author discusses how some men aggregate such factors into a justification for sexual violence, or simply put, rape. I'm still formulating my thoughts on the scenes you mentioned, SoulOnIce, and though it was satisfying to see her get revenge, I'm not comfortable with the idea of a rape for a rape.

  • AlmondAlmond 1,427 Posts
    DOR said:
    I think we already recommended the movie in another thread, but make sure to read this and check out the film version, before the US version drops.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Let_the_Right_One_In

    While I'm not into the vampire thing. It's pretty great.

    I've already got a Post-It note with Let the Right One In on my desk. Didn't realize there was a book. I'm afraid to click on the Wiki link because of potential spoilers. I probably will.

  • DORDOR Two Ron Toe 9,905 Posts
    HAHA. Yeah, don't read the link then! Tho, it doesn't really go into it much, start from a fresh.

  • Almond said:
    bassie said:
    Almond said:
    None of my friends read,

    Aren't you in university? The friends you have in school don't read for pleasure?


    This cannot be an age thing - I know university-age people and they read off the reading list like their lives depend on it.

    (I have not read these books or seen these movies)

    I am a graduate student of economics. We do numbers. Literacy isn't required.
    Very few of my friends read books for pleasure.

    Damn, thats kind of nuts.

    I havent read that book though but if you wanna start a thread about Flannery O'Connor or Borges i'll bomb the fuck out of it with some thoughts.

  • mannybolonemannybolone Los Angeles, CA 15,025 Posts
    There was an interesting article about whether Larsson's books are misogynist or not. I think it was in Entertainment Weekly. Worth peeping.

  • Controller_7Controller_7 4,052 Posts
    I work at a library and all of these books are very popular. Each title has many holds on them, but the third book consistently has a hold list of over 300 people. I've never seen that before on one title. Not even Dan brown's recent book had anything like that. These books are huge right now. Really sad that he never got to see what he accomplished.

  • Controller_7Controller_7 4,052 Posts
    Yeah, it's in entertainment weekly.

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    mannybolone said:
    There was an interesting article about whether Larsson's books are misogynist or not. I think it was in Entertainment Weekly. Worth peeping.

    His whole thing is anti-misogyny. I think the books are worth reading more than Entertainment Weekly is.

    There's most of a 4th book completed but there's a dispute between his long-time partner and his father and brother over who "owns" it. I hope it gets resolved soon.

  • waxjunkywaxjunky 1,849 Posts
    I've only seen both movies. The second film was an obvious bridge to the third, and probably not as good as the first, but worthwhile for sure. It's almost a comic-book world in some ways.

    The posthumous success of Larsen's trilogy is what's really also kind of interesting about these books/films.

  • mannybolonemannybolone Los Angeles, CA 15,025 Posts
    PelvicDust said:
    mannybolone said:
    There was an interesting article about whether Larsson's books are misogynist or not. I think it was in Entertainment Weekly. Worth peeping.

    His whole thing is anti-misogyny. I think the books are worth reading more than Entertainment Weekly is.

    There's most of a 4th book completed but there's a dispute between his long-time partner and his father and brother over who "owns" it. I hope it gets resolved soon.

    Not having read the series, I can't say directly but:

    1) Entertainment Weekly actually has pretty decent cultural criticism. People often confuse it with, say, People or (ugh) US Weekly but as far as mainstream pop culture publications go, EW is one of the best out there. Unless you've actually read this essay, I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss it out of hand.

    2) BTW, here's the essay: http://shelf-life.ew.com/2010/06/18/stieg-larsson-tattoo-book-women-characters/

    I think the key 'graph is this one: "The crimes are unspeakable ??? which you could argue is the point for an activist like Larsson: Bring it into the open, try to prevent it from happening again. Still, Larsson seems to want it both ways: to condemn such savagery while simultaneously exploiting it in graphic detail for titillating storytelling purposes. And that makes me uncomfortable."

    Certainly, Larsson wouldn't have been the first one to want it both ways: to critique and exploit (whether consciously or not) the very same phenomenon.

  • DJ_WubWubDJ_WubWub 874 Posts
    I have only seen the movies (there are three of them) and was totally engrossed by all three movies. Why do they need to do a US remake of them?..

  • kicks79kicks79 1,343 Posts
    Are all three movies out already ?
    I was given the Girl with the Dragon tattoo to read by a friends mum so i guess that shows how popular and widespread his readership is. As usual with most movies based on book the books are much better.
    I think larsson has a gift for writing great characters and manages to introduce relevant social issues into his stories without detracting from them. I don't think he is misogynist at all. The hero of the book is a girl who is portrayed as a flawed character, a product of her environment but none the less with a good heart.
    After finishing the trilogy i was really shocked by the thought that there would never be anymore. I really didn't want it to stop.
    Let the right one as a movie was a big let down for me as i read the book before hand and was puzzled by what they did and didn't include in the movie.

  • DJ_WubWubDJ_WubWub 874 Posts
    All 3 movies have been released (swedish with english subtitles) and can be found at torrent sites.
    The Girl with the Dragon tattoo (2009)
    The Girl Who Played with Fire (2009)
    The Girl Who Kicked the Hornet's Nest (2009)

  • kitchenknightkitchenknight 4,922 Posts
    DJ_WubWub said:
    Why do they need to do a US remake of them?..

    Because there is a billion dollars to be made.

  • JuniorJunior 4,853 Posts
    DJ_WubWub said:
    Why do they need to do a US remake of them?..

    Because they speak foreign.

  • bassiebassie 11,710 Posts
    Almond said:
    bassie said:
    Almond said:
    None of my friends read,

    Aren't you in university? The friends you have in school don't read for pleasure?


    This cannot be an age thing - I know university-age people and they read off the reading list like their lives depend on it.

    (I have not read these books or seen these movies)

    I am a graduate student of economics. We do numbers. Literacy isn't required.

    Haha!

    I had a moment of clarity and I realized how dumb what I wrote is. Of course oodles of people who do not attend, or have not attended, university read for pleasure. But the "none of my friends read" line jumped right out at me and I instantly thought of the students I mentioned. I saw the whole thing from that angle. Silly on my part.


    About violence and misogyny. Winterbottom's adaptation of Jim Thompson's The Killer Inside Me is not out here yet and much ink was spilled even before its release. I do want to see it. And as much as I do not like reading about soemthing before I see it, I couldn't help it with this one. Anyway, the story is known to me. There are a lot of interesting takes on it here.

  • Hey Almond when you say its a crime drama, is it of the ilk as say a Dan Brown novel?

    I guess i'm asking the pompous question: would you consider it book porn?

  • what does "book porn" mean?

  • DB_CooperDB_Cooper Manhatin' 7,823 Posts
    I took as meaning he masturbates to Dan Brown novels.

  • AlmondAlmond 1,427 Posts
    smoking_robot said:
    Hey Almond when you say its a crime drama, is it of the ilk as say a Dan Brown novel?

    I guess i'm asking the pompous question: would you consider it book porn?

    By crime drama I mean that the books are suspenseful murder mysteries. I'm not that familiar with Dan Brown, but the Da Vinci Code seemed to be about a religious/historical anomaly rather than a mystery involving a genius hacker and a journalist.

    If by book porn you mean that the books are so good it feels sinful, then yes. But the books are not pornographic in nature. In response to the comment about Larsson exploiting misogyny, I don't really think so. Just because he writes an interesting book that explores the acceptance of violence against women doesn't mean he's exploiting the concept. And before you mention the rape scenes, for those of you who haven't seen or read the movie or book, the descriptions are raw and frightening. If anything, he emphasizes the horror of something that many easily justify. "She's just a whore dressed in those clothes she's so small no one will miss her if she's gone no one will believe her. Perfect circumstances."

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    mannybolone said:
    PelvicDust said:
    mannybolone said:
    There was an interesting article about whether Larsson's books are misogynist or not. I think it was in Entertainment Weekly. Worth peeping.

    His whole thing is anti-misogyny. I think the books are worth reading more than Entertainment Weekly is.

    There's most of a 4th book completed but there's a dispute between his long-time partner and his father and brother over who "owns" it. I hope it gets resolved soon.

    Not having read the series, I can't say directly but:

    1) Entertainment Weekly actually has pretty decent cultural criticism. People often confuse it with, say, People or (ugh) US Weekly but as far as mainstream pop culture publications go, EW is one of the best out there. Unless you've actually read this essay, I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss it out of hand.

    2) BTW, here's the essay: http://shelf-life.ew.com/2010/06/18/stieg-larsson-tattoo-book-women-characters/

    I think the key 'graph is this one: "The crimes are unspeakable ??? which you could argue is the point for an activist like Larsson: Bring it into the open, try to prevent it from happening again. Still, Larsson seems to want it both ways: to condemn such savagery while simultaneously exploiting it in graphic detail for titillating storytelling purposes. And that makes me uncomfortable."

    Certainly, Larsson wouldn't have been the first one to want it both ways: to critique and exploit (whether consciously or not) the very same phenomenon.

    Okay, read the "essay." It's incredibly shallow and it was a waste of two minutes.

    Missy Schwartz should stick to reviewing Lifetime movies.

  • faux_rillzfaux_rillz 14,343 Posts
    crabmongerfunk said:
    what does "book porn" mean?

    I think he wants to know if they are the literary equivalent of junkfood.

    Which they are.

  • AlmondAlmond 1,427 Posts
    The books are fun to read but you have to be interested and attentive as they are detailed. As someone who has read a lot of junk (i.e. Charlaine Harris' Southern Vampire Mysteries) I don't think the books are literary junk food, Faux, unless you consider anything less dense than a college textbook to be lacking in nutritional value.
    You're a hard man to impress, so why would you bother to read something you consider insubstantial?

  • faux_rillz said:
    crabmongerfunk said:
    what does "book porn" mean?

    I think he wants to know if they are the literary equivalent of junkfood.

    Which they are.

  • AlmondAlmond 1,427 Posts
    smoking_robot said:
    faux_rillz said:
    crabmongerfunk said:
    what does "book porn" mean?

    I think he wants to know if they are the literary equivalent of junkfood.

    Which they are.

    The type of junk to read on a Friday night while waiting for your potential date to text you back. I can squeeze 135-150 pages into three hours, excluding shower time.

  • faux_rillzfaux_rillz 14,343 Posts
    Almond said:
    The books are fun to read but you have to be interested and attentive as they are detailed. As someone who has read a lot of junk (i.e. Charlaine Harris' Southern Vampire Mysteries) I don't think the books are literary junk food, Faux, unless you consider anything less dense than a college textbook to be lacking in nutritional value.
    You're a hard man to impress, so why would you bother to read something you consider insubstantial?

    I wouldn't--I thumbed through my wife's copy of the first one.
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