This sounds like some post-rhythm-free-form-whocareswherethesyllablesfall shit
this is exactly what is good/interesting about it
i could really give a shit about antiquated notions of "rhymin prowess" or "the craft, son" anymore
kids out there trying a million things all at once, anything that comes to mind, and actually making catchy, infectious SONGS is pretty remarkable
but i do 100% understand why this is not appealing to many people.... damn
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I dunno that having some quantifiable degree of skill in your chosen field of endeavour is necessarily an antiquated notion. In 1976, for example, winging it seemed like a pretty radical move. Now it seems more like the mark of people who, aided and abetted by technology, can't be bothered to put the work in.
I take your broader point, though, and while I have no issue with Soulja Boy riding that wave for all it's worth, I'm not entirely convinced that this is a particularly good example of what you're referring to. In fact, I don't even think it's a particularly good Soulja Boy record. I'd take something like Toot It And Boot It over this any day.
press play and minimize the window. I'm not asking you to opine on the video. Just want to make sure we are talking about the same song. You really ride for this?
I did just watch it and realized that you dudes are actually sitting around discussing the non-Gucci Mane version of "Pretty Boy Swag"
The difference is it's not intentional or artistic, it's just lazy.
If we're gonna celebrate what kids are doing with this rap shit, then let's go to back to that Earl/Odd Future thread.
i like odd future too. and roach gigz or whatever other kids are on some intricate rap craft shit. but it is more nostalgic. of course i like style and cadence and wordplay and all that old bullshit, and i still get excited when i hear kids that do it well. but really it reminds me of what used to get me excited about rap music. there's only so many places you can go via being a skilled rapper. really, what are you going to do with it that kane, rakim, (your favorite rapper) haven't already? if your rhymes are nice, good on you, but there's been quite a lot of guys who rhyme nice.
in general i find it more interesting to hear some kids fucking around and making some shit they want to listen to, that doesn't sound like anything else. and i disagree that it's "just" lazy - if it was lazy, these kids wouldn't be making hundreds of songs a year. they just want to make some music that bangs, that they're excited about. a lot of other people find that excitement contagious. they make a stupid little hook out of bullshitting around, they dance to it. how is this any different than what's always gone on?
if i'm going to be a bitter old know-it-all, i'll try to get more out of it than reliving what i used to feel. i agree 'pretty boy swag' is ridiculous (and i like the souljerr version just fine even without gucci crushing it), but i think there's a single-minded dismissive tone in general to this kind of shit. and it seems to come from some knee-jerk rejection to "wack rhyme styles" or synth beats or some other such clingy bullshit that just does not matter at all. the kids are feeling it is not a defense of the music, but you don't make a body of work as dense as soulja or lil b or even flocka without putting in work, cultivating an audience, and developing your craft - even if your craft is being very high and rhyming at 13 beats per minute. these dudes can get their props and odd future can get their props. and i happily listened to dmx at a yuppie happy hour, and i'm listening to buhloone mindstate at my house. there's "it's not for me" and then there's "this is terrible." soulja boy is a "terrible" rapper but i'll take terrible, entertaining and sly over good and boring any day.
I am underwhelmed by Roc Marciano, ditto for Guilty Simpson (the new stuff anyway), which brings me to the OJ Simpson which is perfect for naptime but not much else and I was never a fan of Minaj.
Cosign on everything, except for Roc Marciano. Guilty Simpson should be prohibited from rapping.
The difference is it's not intentional or artistic, it's just lazy.
If we're gonna celebrate what kids are doing with this rap shit, then let's go to back to that Earl/Odd Future thread.
i like odd future too. and roach gigz or whatever other kids are on some intricate rap craft shit. but it is more nostalgic. of course i like style and cadence and wordplay and all that old bullshit, and i still get excited when i hear kids that do it well. but really it reminds me of what used to get me excited about rap music. there's only so many places you can go via being a skilled rapper. really, what are you going to do with it that kane, rakim, (your favorite rapper) haven't already? if your rhymes are nice, good on you, but there's been quite a lot of guys who rhyme nice.
in general i find it more interesting to hear some kids fucking around and making some shit they want to listen to, that doesn't sound like anything else. and i disagree that it's "just" lazy - if it was lazy, these kids wouldn't be making hundreds of songs a year. they just want to make some music that bangs, that they're excited about. a lot of other people find that excitement contagious. they make a stupid little hook out of bullshitting around, they dance to it. how is this any different than what's always gone on?
if i'm going to be a bitter old know-it-all, i'll try to get more out of it than reliving what i used to feel. i agree 'pretty boy swag' is ridiculous (and i like the souljerr version just fine even without gucci crushing it), but i think there's a single-minded dismissive tone in general to this kind of shit. and it seems to come from some knee-jerk rejection to "wack rhyme styles" or synth beats or some other such clingy bullshit that just does not matter at all. the kids are feeling it is not a defense of the music, but you don't make a body of work as dense as soulja or lil b or even flocka without putting in work, cultivating an audience, and developing your craft - even if your craft is being very high and rhyming at 13 beats per minute. these dudes can get their props and odd future can get their props. and i happily listened to dmx at a yuppie happy hour, and i'm listening to buhloone mindstate at my house. there's "it's not for me" and then there's "this is terrible." soulja boy is a "terrible" rapper but i'll take terrible, entertaining and sly over good and boring any day.
I can't see the comparison post.
I don't recall calling it hip hop - there is no rapping in this song.
(I appreciate your point, but my girlfriend - who I have a lot of fun going to the clurb with - is a 39yr old grandmother. Perhaps you should change it to the Grumpy Test?)
press play and minimize the window. I'm not asking you to opine on the video. Just want to make sure we are talking about the same song. You really ride for this?
I did just watch it and realized that you dudes are actually sitting around discussing the non-Gucci Mane version of "Pretty Boy Swag"
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this is exactly what is good/interesting about it
i could really give a shit about antiquated notions of "rhymin prowess" or "the craft, son" anymore
kids out there trying a million things all at once, anything that comes to mind, and actually making catchy, infectious SONGS is pretty remarkable
but i do 100% understand why this is not appealing to many people.... damn
I take your broader point, though, and while I have no issue with Soulja Boy riding that wave for all it's worth, I'm not entirely convinced that this is a particularly good example of what you're referring to. In fact, I don't even think it's a particularly good Soulja Boy record. I'd take something like Toot It And Boot It over this any day.
SUMMMMMMMERRRRRRR LURRRRRVVVVVVE
why you wanna tease me
you should wanna squeeze me
The difference is it's not intentional or artistic, it's just lazy.
If we're gonna celebrate what kids are doing with this rap shit, then let's go to back to that Earl/Odd Future thread.
I did just watch it and realized that you dudes are actually sitting around discussing the non-Gucci Mane version of "Pretty Boy Swag"
LOL--nobody listens to that
Rappers with no rhythm should take their asses to Def Poetry Jam.
i like odd future too. and roach gigz or whatever other kids are on some intricate rap craft shit. but it is more nostalgic. of course i like style and cadence and wordplay and all that old bullshit, and i still get excited when i hear kids that do it well. but really it reminds me of what used to get me excited about rap music. there's only so many places you can go via being a skilled rapper. really, what are you going to do with it that kane, rakim, (your favorite rapper) haven't already? if your rhymes are nice, good on you, but there's been quite a lot of guys who rhyme nice.
in general i find it more interesting to hear some kids fucking around and making some shit they want to listen to, that doesn't sound like anything else. and i disagree that it's "just" lazy - if it was lazy, these kids wouldn't be making hundreds of songs a year. they just want to make some music that bangs, that they're excited about. a lot of other people find that excitement contagious. they make a stupid little hook out of bullshitting around, they dance to it. how is this any different than what's always gone on?
if i'm going to be a bitter old know-it-all, i'll try to get more out of it than reliving what i used to feel. i agree 'pretty boy swag' is ridiculous (and i like the souljerr version just fine even without gucci crushing it), but i think there's a single-minded dismissive tone in general to this kind of shit. and it seems to come from some knee-jerk rejection to "wack rhyme styles" or synth beats or some other such clingy bullshit that just does not matter at all. the kids are feeling it is not a defense of the music, but you don't make a body of work as dense as soulja or lil b or even flocka without putting in work, cultivating an audience, and developing your craft - even if your craft is being very high and rhyming at 13 beats per minute. these dudes can get their props and odd future can get their props. and i happily listened to dmx at a yuppie happy hour, and i'm listening to buhloone mindstate at my house. there's "it's not for me" and then there's "this is terrible." soulja boy is a "terrible" rapper but i'll take terrible, entertaining and sly over good and boring any day.
look at this fag
This needs to come up every time Strutters log in as a friendly reminder.
Indeed there is; "Pretty Boy Swag," besides sounding like bragging about being the sassiest metro around, is terrible.
The grandmother test: could my grandma, who listens to Classical, hear any difference between that Gucci and this?
I doubt it. POP MUSIC. No shame in that. It's selling, it's popular. But I don't even think my granny would call it hip-hop.
I don't recall calling it hip hop - there is no rapping in this song.
(I appreciate your point, but my girlfriend - who I have a lot of fun going to the clurb with - is a 39yr old grandmother. Perhaps you should change it to the Grumpy Test?)
LOL!
spit take hilarity.