the saying "things happen for a reason" yay or nay

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  • Birdman9Birdman9 5,417 Posts
    you say tomato - I say tomato

    Once I witnessed an opposing attorney say this to a judge by way of explaining why her view of the case differed from mine.


    ...this is the most egregious case of false advertising since my suit against the film "The Never Ending Story"!

  • pickwick33pickwick33 8,946 Posts
    The worst is when people reply to something I said with "that's what I'm talking about"

    No it isn't! I just said it! It's what I'm talking about!


    And how do you know that the other person didn't say the same thing in another conversation with somebody else? Ain't nothing wrong with that expression.


  • ReynaldoReynaldo 6,054 Posts
    I [...] believe things happen because of chance and/or your own actions.
    What is the nature of chance then? Are you connecting it to the Heisenberg uncertainty principle?

  • DJ_EnkiDJ_Enki 6,475 Posts
    Kind of goes along the lines of "crisis = opportunity"

    Crisitunity!


  • pcmrpcmr 5,591 Posts
    the use of ''c'est la vie'' recently (top chef) was cringeworthy

    however were all the same in the end

    asi es
    asi son las cosas
    asi es la vida
    la vida es asi
    asi son las

    como estas..bien gracias a dios
    fica com deus

  • edith headedith head 5,106 Posts
    I [...] believe things happen because of chance and/or your own actions.
    What is the nature of chance then? Are you connecting it to the Heisenberg uncertainty principle?

    what's that? you sound smart. probably not the best way to word it but i meant chance as in an unpredictable random occurrence.

  • BreakSelfBreakSelf 2,925 Posts
    you say tomato - I say tomato

    Once I witnessed an opposing attorney say this to a judge by way of explaining why her view of the case differed from mine.


    ...I'd like to cite the Supreme Court ruling in Finders v. Keepers

  • FrankFrank 2,379 Posts
    My mother came out of this really old black forest farmers family and those guys used enough sayings to string long coversations out of them... Most of them were really horrible, some of them funny but they all don't really work if translated into english...

  • ladydayladyday 623 Posts

    But, as a philosophy, I can't fault it. You can look at it as a simplified version of Nietzsche's notion of Amor fati (love of fate) wherein you accept every occurance in your life as positive and necessary. Or in Judaism, the saying "gam zeh letovah" ("this too is for the best").

    i think this is precisely why it bugs me so much because i don't believe in fate at all and believe things happen because of chance and/or your own actions. like bassie said, this saying is a little too close to "it's God's will"

    the other part that bothers me is that when it is said, it reeks of lazy thinking (or none at all) or is used as a cop out excuse for taking no accountability for your own actions, (i.e. well if everything happens for a reason, i really don't need to put any effort into examining this)

    for those reasons above, i have always been irked by the shallowness of the saying.

    I guess I'm looking at it from a different perspective. I don't believe in the will of God or predetermined fate either, so that's not really what I was trying to say. Nietzsche's quote is "Amor fati - Love your fate, which is in fact your life." So as you go through life, instead of looking at things that happen to you as "good" or "bad" things imposed by circumstance or outside forces, embrace it all as your life, for better or worse.

    So on the contrary, instead of giving up and floating through life as if everything is out of your own control, you can look at every experience as a positive and necessary part of your life, and therefore within your own control, and use that to craft your own future.

    I doubt people think that much about saying "Everything happens for a reason"; I think it's just a thing people say when they don't know what to say. But that's how I see it.

  • FrankFrank 2,379 Posts
    i think my favorite American saying is:
    "you can wish in one hand and shit in the other and see which one fills up first"

  • "Life is Good" was floating around a few years back.
    I am glad to not hear it anymore.

    GFC related?

  • ladydayladyday 623 Posts
    Man, I sound like a first-year philosophy major.

  • Man, I sound like a first-year philosophy major.

    craft your own future

  • DB_CooperDB_Cooper Manhatin' 7,823 Posts
    Man, I sound like a first-year philosophy major.

    craft your own future

    "Life is not about finding yourself ? it's about creating yourself." - sign in one of my co-worker's cubicle. I just went looking for it to get the exact phrasing right, and noticed she also has one that says....










    wait for it........























    "Everything happens for a reason." (American proverb)


  • ReynaldoReynaldo 6,054 Posts
    I [...] believe things happen because of chance and/or your own actions.
    What is the nature of chance then? Are you connecting it to the Heisenberg uncertainty principle?

    what's that? you sound smart. probably not the best way to word it but i meant chance as in an unpredictable random occurrence.
    But what explains the existence of unpredictability and randomness? I'm personally not inclined to believe in anything that can't be fully explained, be it fate or chance. The case for chance on a quantum level has been made but it hasn't been clearly connected to what takes place on a macro level.

  • ladydayladyday 623 Posts
    Man, I sound like a first-year philosophy major.

    craft your own future

    F*ck, did I actually say that?

    Just accept things as they come, and keep it moving. Y ya.

  • pcmrpcmr 5,591 Posts
    just another hurdle...

    this thread is really coming full circle and we could apply most of it to facebook statuses

    so many horrible, out of place, random quotes

  • I'm with LadyDay on this one. The always-omitted flipside of "everything happens for a reason" is that you rarely get to find out what that reason is. Still, as she points out, labeling things as "good" or "bad" doesn't change anything. Assigning blame rarely does, either, but I'll admit that it's pretty irresistible.

  • willie_fugalwillie_fugal 1,862 Posts
    "We'll have to agree to disagree" is pretty awesome though.

  • edith headedith head 5,106 Posts
    I [...] believe things happen because of chance and/or your own actions.
    What is the nature of chance then? Are you connecting it to the Heisenberg uncertainty principle?

    what's that? you sound smart. probably not the best way to word it but i meant chance as in an unpredictable random occurrence.
    But what explains the existence of unpredictability and randomness?

    i honestly couldn't tell you that.

  • edith headedith head 5,106 Posts

    But, as a philosophy, I can't fault it. You can look at it as a simplified version of Nietzsche's notion of Amor fati (love of fate) wherein you accept every occurance in your life as positive and necessary. Or in Judaism, the saying "gam zeh letovah" ("this too is for the best").

    i think this is precisely why it bugs me so much because i don't believe in fate at all and believe things happen because of chance and/or your own actions. like bassie said, this saying is a little too close to "it's God's will"

    the other part that bothers me is that when it is said, it reeks of lazy thinking (or none at all) or is used as a cop out excuse for taking no accountability for your own actions, (i.e. well if everything happens for a reason, i really don't need to put any effort into examining this)

    for those reasons above, i have always been irked by the shallowness of the saying.

    I guess I'm looking at it from a different perspective. I don't believe in the will of God or predetermined fate either, so that's not really what I was trying to say. Nietzsche's quote is "Amor fati - Love your fate, which is in fact your life." So as you go through life, instead of looking at things that happen to you as "good" or "bad" things imposed by circumstance or outside forces, embrace it all as your life, for better or worse.

    So on the contrary, instead of giving up and floating through life as if everything is out of your own control, you can look at every experience as a positive and necessary part of your life, and therefore within your own control, and use that to craft your own future.

    i can get behind that. unfortunately though, i doubt this is how it's used by most. the majority of the time i hear this saying around San Francisco, it is used either as a stock response or in a faux-spiritual manner that is supposed to be deep but in reality it's counter-productive because it deads the conversation (and the process of thinking and examining it).

  • HorseleechHorseleech 3,830 Posts
    Man, I sound like a first-year philosophy major.

    It's extremely difficult to verbalize Amor Fati without sounding trite or just mangling it altogether. I'm certainly not down for it at the moment.

    Suffice it to say that it little to do with the banal homilies being discussed here, nor does it require a belief in fate per se.

  • BreakSelfBreakSelf 2,925 Posts
    Man, I sound like a first-year philosophy major.

    craft your own future

    F*ck, did I actually say that?

    One of the aspects of Buddhism that I find most compelling is the notion of karma, which essentially affirms one's ability to do precisely this. I think karma, however, is a hard concept for people, perhaps Westerners in particular, to wrap their heads around, because it deals with time on such an incalculably large scale. No, treating people with love and compassion isn't going to slip a winning lottery ticket in your pocket, but it will set up favorable circumstances for you in the future, even if that future is several million or billion lifetimes from now.

  • Lucious_FoxLucious_Fox 2,479 Posts

  • BreakSelfBreakSelf 2,925 Posts

    F*ck! I forgot to use the word effervescence.

  • ladydayladyday 623 Posts
    Man, I sound like a first-year philosophy major.

    craft your own future

    F*ck, did I actually say that?

    One of the aspects of Buddhism that I find most compelling is the notion of karma, which essentially affirms one's ability to do precisely this. I think karma, however, is a hard concept for people, perhaps Westerners in particular, to wrap their heads around, because it deals with time on such an incalculably large scale. No, treating people with love and compassion isn't going to slip a winning lottery ticket in your pocket, but it will set up favorable circumstances for you in the future, even if that future is several million or billion lifetimes from now.

    Yesterday I read a quote in the front page dedication of a Dean Koontz book, of all freakin things, that really struck me. It went something like (paraphrasing), "Each small act of kindness reverberates across time and distance, until a simple courtesy becomes an act of selfless courage years later and far away. Likewise an unkind act becomes an act of evil."

    I like this. Would you say that this is related to the idea of karma?

  • BreakSelfBreakSelf 2,925 Posts
    It's a bit hard for me to think about without immediately associating it in my head with Ashton Kutcher and that awful Butterfly Effect movie, but I do think that kindness is contagious, so in a sense, yes. There's a Buddhist allegory about the Buddha once being reborn into the hell realms, where he was endlessly being crushed in a giant burning mortar with countless other sentient beings. There was a moment when it occurred to the Buddha that the person to his side might be spared a modicum of pain if the Buddha threw himself on top and absorbed the brunt of the pestle for a while. Just having that thought was enough to assure that he was next reborn in a higher realm of existence. So in that sense, yes, small actions can have a monumental effect on the future if the surroundings are right.

  • BrianBrian 7,618 Posts
    no worries beef curry/brah.

  • GaryGary 3,982 Posts

    But what explains the existence of unpredictability and randomness?



    Unpredictability is merely the inability to predict something. It doesn't need an explanation.

    If I were to get rear ended on my way to work tomorrow, the randomness of that happening and my inability to predict it happening is not something that needs explanation. The opposite would be true - if I were able to predict it then that would need to be explained.

    Your question doesn't really make any sense. Unless you mean it in a more sciencey (real word) sense, like chemistry or whatever, certain particles behaving unpredictably...? In that case man's inability to understand something doesn't mean it can't be explained, it just means we haven't found a way to explain it yet.

  • ReynaldoReynaldo 6,054 Posts

    But what explains the existence of unpredictability and randomness?



    Unpredictability is merely the inability to predict something. It doesn't need an explanation.

    If I were to get rear ended on my way to work tomorrow, the randomness of that happening and my inability to predict it happening is not something that needs explanation. The opposite would be true - if I were able to predict it then that would need to be explained.

    Your question doesn't really make any sense. Unless you mean it in a more sciencey (real word) sense, like chemistry or whatever, certain particles behaving unpredictably...? In that case man's inability to understand something doesn't mean it can't be explained, it just means we haven't found a way to explain it yet.
    I would be very interested in your explanation of how you were able to predict a car accident. I would also be interested in your explanation of why you were not able to predict a car accident.
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