If you've got your little boutique night where the whole crowd is yours and you plan on bringing 50 records which you will definitely play and rock the crowd with, then vinyl is fine.
These "vinyl or die" cats must never have been in a situation where they might have to adapt to a crowd that's not made up of their hommies, the hommies' girls, and their facebook friends.
I think we've all had occasions where it's like "Shit, I wish I would have brought some ______ records!" because you've got that kind of crowd out of nowhere. You might get by with what you have, but you know that if you had, say, that stack of house records on your desk at home in your DJ bag you could have really tore that shit up.
Ask that dude with the gay takeover situation. Sometimes shit comes up and you have to call an audible. S.erato gives you a much bigger playbook.
Actually, I use Microwave. Thats' why I can talk about the sound quality. I'm pro microwave for weddings. That's like a gift from God right there. Also, if I was still doing those whatever works weekend gigs, I'd microwave those. But right now, I just do something about every month that's focused on records because I have all these nice records.
Dude... like Cosmo said. 2 different types of DJs.
Take me for instance, right, I play 2 types of gigs, ever, in life: weddings and record dude nights.
Weddings, you have GOT to be kidding if you think I'm gonna bring vinyl. First off, they don't even press half the pop hits anymore that I will inevitably have to play. So there's that. Next, I am playing everything from Otis Redding to Alicia Keys to The Beatles to Nat King Cole to Jack Johnson to Michael Jackson. Why on earth would I bring all that on vinyl if I could avoid it? And worry about spilled drinks, "ooh look records!" gawkers, etc etc etc. It's just insane to argue otherwise. Last, I get tons of requests before hand of everything from contemporary to common to obscure. Remember having to buy records for gigs? Why would any DJ go back to those days??
For record dude gigs, I bring records. SIMPLE. Frank and Cosmo are two different DJs. Why should anyone have to choose?
This is a fake argument. The kid can't find records and is playing hype shit for people to dance to? Why shit on him? Why make a kid spend 10s of 1000s of bucks (or euros, or rubles, or drachma, or whatever) on ebay for it? Is that "digging"? Are you learning a lot about "selection" and shit from buying stuff on ebay or superfly or dusty groove? Really? Trolling ebay or trolling blogs. Same shit. Except one costs a lot. I don't know about you, but when I was 17 I didn't have the money to buy $100 records.
Some of you guys have your head up your ass and are so fascinated with the smell you don't realize that it's shit...
Actually, I use Microwave. Thats' why I can talk about the sound quality. I'm pro microwave for weddings. That's like a gift from God right there. Also, if I was still doing those whatever works weekend gigs, I'd microwave those. But right now, I just do something about every month that's focused on records because I have all these nice records.
Actually, I use Microwave. Thats' why I can talk about the sound quality. I'm pro microwave for weddings. That's like a gift from God right there. Also, if I was still doing those whatever works weekend gigs, I'd microwave those. But right now, I just do something about every month that's focused on records because I have all these nice records.
ps--I'm old.
pss- Get off my lawn.
This is it. This says it all. Jonny said it all too, but this post is more succinct.
When someone like Frank is playing it's like icing on the cake, an aesthetic/fetishist indulgence that doesn't make or break the night, but adds a good bit of reverence.
But see it makes or breaks the night TO HIM - hence being an integral part of the experience. If he was playing an Ebo Taylor MP3 he wouldn't be happy. And why should he do something that doesn't make him happy?
For sure. That's why he's the performer and I'm the audience, and that's why the sentence before the one you quoted was "For me, it doesn't really matter as long as the music is banging."
I love going to hear Frank play records, I wouldn't have him change anything about what he does.
Dude. You're from PA, you should know better to talk shit about fresh churned butter. There's NO fukking comparison, son.
I know, and don't get me started on those FAKE ASS PRETZELS, dude. These new-jacks don't know shit about the true essence of what a pretzel is supposed to be made of, feel, look and taste like!
Dude. You're from PA, you should know better to talk shit about fresh churned butter. There's NO fukking comparison, son.
I know, and don't get me started on those FAKE ASS PRETZELS, dude. These new-jacks don't know shit about the true essence of what a pretzel is supposed to be made of, feel, look and taste like!
Seriously though. If we wanted to bring in a fair comparative situation, we should look at photography. A lot people on here know a lot about photography and I'd like to see if anyone still rides for film?
Framing houses with a pneumatic nailer versus a hammer. I prefer a house framed with a hammer, its takes strength, a good eye, and its accurate. The pneumatic nailer is quick yet heavy, versatile, but not accurate. There are carpenters out there getting the job done with a hammer just as fast as the carpenter with a pneumatic nailer. But only your eyes can tell the difference of the framing by the tool used.
crowds who like the idea of music: taste and fidelity not an issue, wide selection of genres is important...ie. weddings, playing a club that somehow switches clientele and sexual orientation every 20 minutes...microwave is king
crowds who actually like music :taste and fidelity is the issue, but with a narrower selection of genre...vinyl is king
so anyone who uses Microwave is ugly and sounds like shit?
No, I think the reality is that anyone who uses Microwave is boring to watch. Period. You look just like the dude in the cubicle at work watching porn.
Why are you up in the club watching the DJ?
WORD UP !!!!!
Haha! Sayin'! Dudes are talking about the performance aspect of being a DJ? You play records. Unless you're scratching with your nutsack and juggling flaming bowling pins, there is no performance aspect.
EXACTLY !
this is sooo tired. damn.
before i add my 2 cents, i love vinyl and continue to buy it...and also love to see heads still play it out.
im doing some new 12" releases 500 limited press, this summer.
i did root down a year or so ago... all 45s. i should have asked for a gold star so i can prove to everybody how cool i am.
let the 17 year old kid keep the MUSIC alive, he most likely cant be bothered with buying og skullsnaps to double up on. before all of this non sense, it was all about og vs bootleg or comp. now its just s.erato vs vinyl. NO REISSUES, THEY MUST BE OG !
if some of you think that just showing up to the club with vinyl, is some performance on its own... yall are way off.
especially if the dj cant mix or make the vinyl come to life... (no cheap shots, amir doesnt mix either!)
for those who think that playing vinyl lp cuts, that were pressed like shit to begin with will sound better just cuz its on vinyl VS when i take those same cuts, eq them and beef them up before i rip to digital wav and play from s.erato...., im winning all day. put your $$$ where your mouth is.
when i put out the canadian version of scorpio... from the 21 giutars k-tel sounding vinyl, that og sounds like ASS. i did the same exact thing before editing, except it ended up coming out on vinyl as well. telling me the og sounds better.. stop it now, your killing me.
mad heads here seem to be more obsessed with the records themselves, instead of the actual music.
go collect stamps, all you have to do is look at them.
I strongly disagree that djing is not a visual performance. A dj's charisma and excitement for the music carries over to the crowd. I think this is many peoples beef with laptop djs. Their face is blocked and they are constantly scrolling and facebooking during sets.
I'm sure every Microwave user will agree, you've discovered new mixes through using it. It's just easier to filter what goes w/ what if they're easily accessible on a playlist and sorted by bpm. Unless you have a photographic memory of every record with every bpm and can rearrange your vinyl collection from Artist to bpm at the click of a button...I would've never thought Steppin' Out went w/ Punk Rock Rap if shit wasn't sorted in bpm.
If you can't see this as a fact then you're just deluding yourself.
I am very much looking forward to going to one of Frank's parties next time I'm in town. For the same reasons I've loved hitting up Madame Jojo's or Black Betty, etc....Again, these are specialty nights, which are in the 1 percentile of dj gigs.
mad heads here seem to be more obsessed with the records themselves, instead of the actual music.
no. a better quality recording makes for a better listening experience. there are real reasons why OG copies sound better. there are also OG copies that sound like crap and have been improved with remastering and reissue. you should know more about that than anybody on here. so stop with that go collect stamps shit.
crowds who like the idea of music: taste and fidelity not an issue, wide selection of genres is important...ie. weddings, playing a club that somehow switches clientele and sexual orientation every 20 minutes...microwave is king
crowds who actually like music :taste and fidelity is the issue, but with a narrower selection of genre...vinyl is king
this post and the notion of two different types of DJs got me thinking that there's also different expectations that rule what someone has with them; that people come to hear a DJ because of their taste, their collection, etc. and are there to hear what the spcific person does, and the other scenario (not the only other one): that the crowd steers the selections a little more, be it through requests, crowd type, reaction to genres, etc.
The give-take dynamics are a little different and who sets the tone.
crowds who like the idea of music: taste and fidelity not an issue, wide selection of genres is important...ie. weddings, playing a club that somehow switches clientele and sexual orientation every 20 minutes...microwave is king
crowds who actually like music :taste and fidelity is the issue, but with a narrower selection of genre...vinyl is king
It is good for my ego. Playing vinyl makes me feel superior...
These two posts were in the wrong order, fixed...
But seriously, I'm a music nerd, and I love to be out and hear someone dropping some raer shit that blows my mind, but if I'm just trying to be out dancing with my girl and some other peoples, thats not what they necessarily want to hear.
I don't understand why people have to look down their noses and say, well if you have any taste at all, you like this, if you have a lizard brain you like this. I can go and dance at Franks party, and I can dance at the Rub, and I don't think either one shows a lack of taste, they're just different scenes.
Even someone like DJAM, dropping all kinds of goofy shit in a clever way is tasteful within its own campy, drunken streez. Now a top-40 t-pain-a-thon is a little different. But this holier than thou shit, its like y'all never drunkenly danced with a chick to a Madonna song before, or you wouldn't if it wasn't coming off the original pressing. NAGL..
I find the attitude that people who don't go to see some vinyl only night are not concerned with music or sound quality totally condescending.
I guess it's meant to be, though.
is this responding to me? that's not what I'm saying!
No, I just thought you were kind of backing into that argument.... which I feel is just totally fucked up. I re-read your post and I get what you're saying, though.
I mean, all-vinyl DJs play to the crowd too - or they should be. It's the worst kind of DJ that throws down his prized record, notices the floor clearing, shakes his head and sucks his teeth, later writing on a message board that "people just have shitty taste."
if you are talented and/or skilled at djing, than it doesn't matter....ever.
if the only thing you are bringing to the table is your taste in raers, than it does, assuming the crowd you are playing to is composed of vinyl nerds.
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These "vinyl or die" cats must never have been in a situation where they might have to adapt to a crowd that's not made up of their hommies, the hommies' girls, and their facebook friends.
I think we've all had occasions where it's like "Shit, I wish I would have brought some ______ records!" because you've got that kind of crowd out of nowhere. You might get by with what you have, but you know that if you had, say, that stack of house records on your desk at home in your DJ bag you could have really tore that shit up.
Ask that dude with the gay takeover situation. Sometimes shit comes up and you have to call an audible. S.erato gives you a much bigger playbook.
ps--I'm old.
pss- Get off my lawn.
Take me for instance, right, I play 2 types of gigs, ever, in life: weddings and record dude nights.
Weddings, you have GOT to be kidding if you think I'm gonna bring vinyl. First off, they don't even press half the pop hits anymore that I will inevitably have to play. So there's that. Next, I am playing everything from Otis Redding to Alicia Keys to The Beatles to Nat King Cole to Jack Johnson to Michael Jackson. Why on earth would I bring all that on vinyl if I could avoid it? And worry about spilled drinks, "ooh look records!" gawkers, etc etc etc. It's just insane to argue otherwise. Last, I get tons of requests before hand of everything from contemporary to common to obscure. Remember having to buy records for gigs? Why would any DJ go back to those days??
For record dude gigs, I bring records. SIMPLE. Frank and Cosmo are two different DJs. Why should anyone have to choose?
This is a fake argument. The kid can't find records and is playing hype shit for people to dance to? Why shit on him? Why make a kid spend 10s of 1000s of bucks (or euros, or rubles, or drachma, or whatever) on ebay for it? Is that "digging"? Are you learning a lot about "selection" and shit from buying stuff on ebay or superfly or dusty groove? Really? Trolling ebay or trolling blogs. Same shit. Except one costs a lot. I don't know about you, but when I was 17 I didn't have the money to buy $100 records.
Some of you guys have your head up your ass and are so fascinated with the smell you don't realize that it's shit...
Awesome. Do you.
Sheeesh. Talbout sounding Olde.
This is it. This says it all. Jonny said it all too, but this post is more succinct.
Thraed over plaese.
For sure. That's why he's the performer and I'm the audience, and that's why the sentence before the one you quoted was "For me, it doesn't really matter as long as the music is banging."
I love going to hear Frank play records, I wouldn't have him change anything about what he does.
I know, and don't get me started on those FAKE ASS PRETZELS, dude. These new-jacks don't know shit about the true essence of what a pretzel is supposed to be made of, feel, look and taste like!
Seriously though. If we wanted to bring in a fair comparative situation, we should look at photography. A lot people on here know a lot about photography and I'd like to see if anyone still rides for film?
I prefer a house framed with a hammer, its takes strength, a good eye, and its accurate. The pneumatic nailer is quick yet heavy, versatile, but not accurate. There are carpenters out there getting the job done with a hammer just as fast as the carpenter with a pneumatic nailer. But only your eyes can tell the difference of the framing by the tool used.
SPEAK ON IT!
There's never "too much mohair"
crowds who like the idea of music: taste and fidelity not an issue, wide selection of genres is important...ie. weddings, playing a club that somehow switches clientele and sexual orientation every 20 minutes...microwave is king
crowds who actually like music :taste and fidelity is the issue, but with a narrower selection of genre...vinyl is king
EXACTLY !
this is sooo tired. damn.
before i add my 2 cents, i love vinyl and continue to buy it...and also love to see heads still play it out.
im doing some new 12" releases 500 limited press, this summer.
i did root down a year or so ago... all 45s. i should have asked for a gold star so i can prove to everybody how cool i am.
let the 17 year old kid keep the MUSIC alive, he most likely cant be bothered with buying og skullsnaps to double up on. before all of this non sense, it was all about og vs bootleg or comp. now its just s.erato vs vinyl.
NO REISSUES, THEY MUST BE OG !
if some of you think that just showing up to the club with vinyl, is some performance on its own... yall are way off.
especially if the dj cant mix or make the vinyl come to life... (no cheap shots, amir doesnt mix either!)
for those who think that playing vinyl lp cuts, that were pressed like shit to begin with will sound better just cuz its on vinyl VS when i take those same cuts, eq them and beef them up before i rip to digital wav and play from s.erato...., im winning all day. put your $$$ where your mouth is.
when i put out the canadian version of scorpio... from the 21 giutars k-tel sounding vinyl, that og sounds like ASS. i did the same exact thing before editing, except it ended up coming out on vinyl as well. telling me the og sounds better.. stop it now, your killing me.
mad heads here seem to be more obsessed with the records themselves, instead of the actual music.
go collect stamps, all you have to do is look at them.
DJs who use Microwave don't have taste?
People who want to hear a wide variety of music must be transsexual ADD cases?
take your mouth off
Respect the dancers.
If you can't see this as a fact then you're just deluding yourself.
I am very much looking forward to going to one of Frank's parties next time I'm in town. For the same reasons I've loved hitting up Madame Jojo's or Black Betty, etc....Again, these are specialty nights, which are in the 1 percentile of dj gigs.
no. a better quality recording makes for a better listening experience. there are real reasons why OG copies sound better. there are also OG copies that sound like crap and have been improved with remastering and reissue. you should know more about that than anybody on here. so stop with that go collect stamps shit.
this post and the notion of two different types of DJs got me thinking that there's also different expectations that rule what someone has with them; that people come to hear a DJ because of their taste, their collection, etc. and are there to hear what the spcific person does, and the other scenario (not the only other one): that the crowd steers the selections a little more, be it through requests, crowd type, reaction to genres, etc.
The give-take dynamics are a little different and who sets the tone.
I guess it's meant to be, though.
These two posts were in the wrong order, fixed...
But seriously, I'm a music nerd, and I love to be out and hear someone dropping some raer shit that blows my mind, but if I'm just trying to be out dancing with my girl and some other peoples, thats not what they necessarily want to hear.
I don't understand why people have to look down their noses and say, well if you have any taste at all, you like this, if you have a lizard brain you like this. I can go and dance at Franks party, and I can dance at the Rub, and I don't think either one shows a lack of taste, they're just different scenes.
Even someone like DJAM, dropping all kinds of goofy shit in a clever way is tasteful within its own campy, drunken streez. Now a top-40 t-pain-a-thon is a little different. But this holier than thou shit, its like y'all never drunkenly danced with a chick to a Madonna song before, or you wouldn't if it wasn't coming off the original pressing. NAGL..
is this responding to me? that's not what I'm saying!
No, I just thought you were kind of backing into that argument.... which I feel is just totally fucked up. I re-read your post and I get what you're saying, though.
I mean, all-vinyl DJs play to the crowd too - or they should be. It's the worst kind of DJ that throws down his prized record, notices the floor clearing, shakes his head and sucks his teeth, later writing on a message board that "people just have shitty taste."
if the only thing you are bringing to the table is your taste in raers, than it does, assuming the crowd you are playing to is composed of vinyl nerds.