b, 21I love how the piece notes that "in Arab culture", the sole of the shoe is considered insulting, as if throwing shoes at people could be a kind gesture in other parts of the world. f*cking ethnocentric reporting, blarghgh.
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b, 21I thought the same thing. some intern probably found that on the internet somewhere.
font class="post"1b, 21b, 21you guys are missing the point... by saying "the sole of the show is considered insulting in arabic culture" they are emphesizing the contrast between here where the sole of shoe has no particular meaning at all... b, 21b, 21it is a big deal in many arabic countries, to the point that it's considered insulting to sit with you leg on your knee b/c the other person can see the sole of your shoe!
b, 21Now, take a break from the bathist sympathizing and be honest with yourself for just a moment, do any of you actually believe obama wouldve dodged those shoes?
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font class="post"1b, 21b, 21Obama = what shoes?b, 21b, 21But for a 'lame-duck' president, Bush actually did ok. I love the face on the guy next to him.
Yeah the only reason they are writing "In Arab culture it is considered an insult..." is because a lot of the early reaction was ZOMG WTF DUDE THREW HIS SHOES!?1! THOSE WACKY A-RABS
b, 21I love how the piece notes that "in Arab culture", the sole of the shoe is considered insulting, as if throwing shoes at people could be a kind gesture in other parts of the world. f*cking ethnocentric reporting, blarghgh.
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font class="post"1b, 21b, 21I think you're missing the point.
Notice how the Iraqi journalists at the presser not only put the man down, but also apologize for the incident. Also, al Baghdadiya is a pro-Sunni insurgent satellite station. In other words they favor the Islamic Khmer Rouge that was bested by the tribal coalition known as Satwa in 2007 who joined our Marines. Of course dude is bitter. His people lost their war, largely because most Iraqis had the courage to turn on these tormentors.
b, 21doesn't he look kind of excited after the first shoe. Sort of like "ha ha, what the F*ck was that." He doesn't look mad really, more amused." That's too funny.
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font class="post"1b, 21b, 21Yeah, that's probably my favorite part of the whole thing--he's got a "wow, really? You're just gonna throw shoes at me? That's what's hot in the streets right now?" look.
what's up with dude having to go down to get his second shoe? he didn't plan ahead for the shoe throwing by having one in each hand? if he had gotten the second one quicker he might have been able hit his target.
"[i]This is a farewell kiss, you dog...This is from the widows, the orphans and those who were killed in Iraq./i1"b, 21b, 21b, 21b, 21b, 21Let the circus begin, or rather, continue - Hussein's lawyer has started to put a legal team together for al-Zeidi's defence.
I can already see this weekend's SNL intro coming together with items escalating in size being hurled at G. Dub.b, 21b, 21b/wb, 21b, 21The David Patterson Weekend Update sketch...b, 21b, 21b, 21img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/718.gif" alt="" 21
b, 21al Baghdadiya is a pro-Sunni insurgent satellite station. In other words they favor the Islamic Khmer Rouge that was bested by the tribal coalition known as Satwa in 2007 who joined our Marines. Of course dude is bitter. His people lost their war, largely because most Iraqis had the courage to turn on these tormentors.
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b, 21"This is a farewell kiss, you dog...This is from the widows, the orphans and those who were killed in Iraq."
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font class="post"1b, 21b, 21Yeah, I can see how his statements reflect personal/ethno beef and a general hate for the democratic way of living. b, 21b, 21 img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/NO.gif" alt="" 21
vitaminb, 21b, 21Most of the insurgency works for the Americans now in the Sons of Iraq. The "people" didn't turn their backs on the insurgency, the insurgency largely flipped sides.
b, 21Most of the insurgency works for the Americans now in the Sons of Iraq. The "people" didn't turn their backs on the insurgency, the insurgency largely flipped sides.
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font class="post"1b, 21b, 21What does that mean? In the context of the war, doesn't flipping sides mean turning backs? Also many Iraqis today cooperate with the Americans and Iraqi military against the remnants of the Shiia and Sunni insurgencies, whereas they had not before. This is in part because security has improved, so the local population trust the Americans to protect them from the terrorists. But it is also because the terrorists had tried to marry into the tribal networks that at first on the Sunni side provided an uneasy shelter to the Wahabbis. Regardless, most Iraqis turned against the insurgency that the al Baghdadidiyah reporter's network supported from the confines of my former base of operations in Cairo.
b, 21Most of the insurgency works for the Americans now in the Sons of Iraq. The "people" didn't turn their backs on the insurgency, the insurgency largely flipped sides.
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b, 21What does that mean? In the context of the war, doesn't flipping sides mean turning backs? Also many Iraqis today cooperate with the Americans and Iraqi military against the remnants of the Shiia and Sunni insurgencies, whereas they had not before. This is in part because security has improved, so the local population trust the Americans to protect them from the terrorists. But it is also because the terrorists had tried to marry into the tribal networks that at first on the Sunni side provided an uneasy shelter to the Wahabbis. Regardless, most Iraqis turned against the insurgency that the al Baghdadidiyah reporter's network supported from the confines of my former base of operations in Cairo.
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font class="post"1b, 21b, 21What it means is that the people with the guns didn't get turned on by the civilians. The people with the guns switched sides. b, 21b, 21The stuff about marrying into the tribes gets overplayed IMO. The major reasons in Anbar at least were because Al Qaeda in Iraq was trying to take over the tribes' illegal businesses and had a habit of killing people who didn't follow their lead. Again, almost all of those tribes in Anbar were once insurgents. The Anbar Awakening was an Iraqi creation. The Sons of Iraq that followed were largely created by the U.S.
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