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b, 21No term for it, but other than the cheese we have on our pasta, Man is vegan (including no leather goods whatsoever) and I eat fish/seafood, nothing else...why I didn't write that I am vegetarian. That is recent, up to about three or four years ago, I was vegetarian.
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b, 21I worked for a vegetarian magazine for a year after college and they commissioned surveys about meat intake in general population. definitely a lot of people have different ideas about what "meat" means... to some people it's just red meat, to some everything but fish, to some any flesh whatsoever.
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meh, splitting hairs.b, 21i got a friend who is strict vegetarian.b, 21he calls me a fake when he hears that i was a guest at one of my students' homes and i had a piece of chicken that was put in front of me. or that i tried chicken grown on a small organic farm.b, 21b, 21ive had virtually no meat consumption for 13 years, i rarely buy fish for myself (but i'll gladly eat when offered), and i eat cheese every day. do i not meet certain official vegetarian criteria? who gives a F*ck. i live my life, am very conscious of my eating, but im not a rigid zealot.
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b, 21No term for it, but other than the cheese we have on our pasta, Man is vegan (including no leather goods whatsoever) and I eat fish/seafood, nothing else...why I didn't write that I am vegetarian. That is recent, up to about three or four years ago, I was vegetarian.
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b, 21I worked for a vegetarian magazine for a year after college and they commissioned surveys about meat intake in general population. definitely a lot of people have different ideas about what "meat" means... to some people it's just red meat, to some everything but fish, to some any flesh whatsoever.
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b, 21when weighing installation cost versus energy-bill savings (i.e. eliminating the "do the right thing" factor) does converting to solar make less sense the further north you get? i.e. would someone in toronto "capture" substantially less energy in the wintertime than someone in, say, Atlanta?
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yeah heads is weird man. i've seen it within the past couple of years where folls were saying they were veg but ate fish, chicken. that's stupid. i haven't had any type of "meat" for 8 years, and dairy for the most part [due to my body rejecting it] for about 3. yet people call me vegan. those words are just thrown out all over the place these days.b, 21b, 21b, 21p.s.b, 21f*ck what you heard, i eat eggs. NOT meat. hold me down on that zygote over easy on wheat. pass that cholula!
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b, 21No term for it, but other than the cheese we have on our pasta, Man is vegan (including no leather goods whatsoever) and I eat fish/seafood, nothing else...why I didn't write that I am vegetarian. That is recent, up to about three or four years ago, I was vegetarian.
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b, 21I worked for a vegetarian magazine for a year after college and they commissioned surveys about meat intake in general population. definitely a lot of people have different ideas about what "meat" means... to some people it's just red meat, to some everything but fish, to some any flesh whatsoever.
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b, 21when weighing installation cost versus energy-bill savings (i.e. eliminating the "do the right thing" factor) does converting to solar make less sense the further north you get? i.e. would someone in toronto "capture" substantially less energy in the wintertime than someone in, say, Atlanta?
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b, 21It would depend if we had substantially less sunny days in the winter - I don't know off-hand. I would guess for places where it rains a lot all year round(Vancouver) it would be more of an issue?
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b, 21when weighing installation cost versus energy-bill savings (i.e. eliminating the "do the right thing" factor) does converting to solar make less sense the further north you get? i.e. would someone in toronto "capture" substantially less energy in the wintertime than someone in, say, Atlanta?
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b, 21personally, I think anyone who even reduces their meat consumption is doing something positive for themselves and maybe even for the "big picture" and I don't care how they choose to label or not label themselves.
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b, 21when weighing installation cost versus energy-bill savings (i.e. eliminating the "do the right thing" factor) does converting to solar make less sense the further north you get? i.e. would someone in toronto "capture" substantially less energy in the wintertime than someone in, say, Atlanta?
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I recycle everything I can, shop and eat local products, bike when possible, and while I'm not a vegetarian, I live a vegetarian lifestyle.b, 21b, 21I also turn out the lights, and try not to waste water.
b, 21Living Green is the new Fitness Craze.......America is even more obese than before.
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b, 21dismissing environmental conciousness as a "craze" is the new dismissing healthy living as a "craze."....and yet both are really good ideas for everyone involved.
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b, 21Yea...I think it would also depend on what a household's consumption is like. We also do things like unplug/turn off power bars when not in use at my house and have a gas stove, no dishwasher and watch about two hours of TV a day - if that. Given that we'll paying for it now, I think we will be watching our energy consumption even more!! Ideally, one would be able to store it from summer to use in the winter.
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b, 21Living Green is the new Fitness Craze.......America is even more obese than before.
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yo for real, a lot of the actions we can take might be negligible...but like a lot of things, you shop with your wallet and you actions until there is a critical mass of people doing the same thing.b, 21but least we forget, energy costs, food costs, general living is probably not going to get cheaper in the coming lean years, so its good to take stock and plan ahead.b, 21b, 21basic formula is save energy=save money
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b, 21Yeah, LF usually doesn't make sense. But give him credit, he tries really hard to get a rise out of people.
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fox...its a consumer culture through and through...for mainstream to accept/understand some things, they gotta be able to purchase it. b, 21b, 21is it bad that walmart carries organic foods and that the organic requirements got watered down? maybe...but it has also raised a lot of awareness about food production and has kept tons of chemical pollutants out of the environment. so, all in all, fad = yes, net gain= also yes
"We don't inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children."b, 21b, 21Sometimes I think that no matter what we do, we're going to deplete the world's resources eventually, whether it be 50 years from now or 500 years from now. Is it too much of a stretch to think of this "green living craze" as a prolonging of the earth's death? b, 21b, 21Maybe the religious folk are right about millenialism and this is the end of days and Christ will come. And I will sit in hell thinking that I spent my life being protein deficient for the sake of animals who were doomed anyway.b, 21b, 21I'm cynical, but I still recycle. ; )
b, 21when weighing installation cost versus energy-bill savings (i.e. eliminating the "do the right thing" factor) does converting to solar make less sense the further north you get? i.e. would someone in toronto "capture" substantially less energy in the wintertime than someone in, say, Atlanta?
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b, 21Yea...I think it would also depend on what a household's consumption is like. We also do things like unplug/turn off power bars when not in use at my house and have a gas stove, no dishwasher and watch about two hours of TV a day - if that. Given that we'll paying for it now, I think we will be watching our energy consumption even more!! Ideally, one would be able to store it from summer to use in the winter.
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I'm going to try! It's in the three year plan anyway. Right now I have to deal with a bathroom sink that won't drain and how to effectively drain the eavestrough at the back of the house without it streaming back towards the basement and eroding the wall.b, 21b, 21Something I totally forgot to mention yesterday is eliminating using throw-away coffee cups. They are not recyclable and as much as I cringe when I see those stupid travellers' mugs hanging off the back of backpacks, I've started to use one for my take-out coffee. Paper and styrofoam cups are just as bad, if not worse, as plastic bags for waste and landfills. Toronto is kinda-sorta on the verge of charging for all plastic bags and they were going to for coffee cups but unfortunately backed off. It's just not that hard to rinse out those mugs and carry it over to your coffee place.
b, 21Something I totally forgot to mention yesterday is eliminating using throw-away coffee cups. They are not recyclable and as much as I cringe when I see those stupid travellers' mugs hanging off the back of backpacks, I've started to use one for my take-out coffee. Paper and styrofoam cups are just as bad, if not worse, as plastic bags for waste and landfills. Toronto is kinda-sorta on the verge of charging for all plastic bags and they were going to for coffee cups but unfortunately backed off. It's just not that hard to rinse out those mugs and carry it over to your coffee place.
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b, 21Something I totally forgot to mention yesterday is eliminating using throw-away coffee cups. They are not recyclable and as much as I cringe when I see those stupid travellers' mugs hanging off the back of backpacks, I've started to use one for my take-out coffee. Paper and styrofoam cups are just as bad, if not worse, as plastic bags for waste and landfills. Toronto is kinda-sorta on the verge of charging for all plastic bags and they were going to for coffee cups but unfortunately backed off. It's just not that hard to rinse out those mugs and carry it over to your coffee place.
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b, 21yeah, the neo-hippie/anarchist/communist/crust-punks who serve me my coffee guilted me into getting a reusable mug and i'm glad they did.
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i remember sportcasual telling me he used compostable cups and utensils in his brooklyn locale. but the tricky thing is, if you throw it in the trash, it defeats the purpose. for that there has to be a composting can next to the recycling bins. im not wild about using corn and soy based products for making more products, but it is another approach
my local co-op doesnt buy plastic bags, but members drop off bags they save...so there are always bags on hand and a site foe people to save and drop them off. works well
I agree to the extent that there is just way too much garbage. Everything comes individually wrapped and packaged and repackaged and then handled with plastic gloves and put in a plastic bag and all of it ends up stuck in the fences on the side of the Cross Bronx Expressway.
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