"The most segregated hour in America occurs on Sunday morning..."
in obama's church anyway
Actually, sounds like the denomination is majority White Churches, and that particular church has plenty of White members from what I've heard. Not saying it's one of the exceptions, but it is FAR from being some radical wing of a Black Nationalist Movement. No matter what people think of Obama, I think he hit it on the head, this is a generational issue with what Wright was addressing, and as such completely understandable to any White or Black person with a brain that can perform even simple tasks of reasoning.
That might be the (I think) June 22 thing where there was a rumor that he had been present, but wasn't actually. Came from Bill O.
O'Reilly started the rumor or debunked it??
He didn't start it but spoke about it on a couple of shows, and although it was debunked he has not said anything to change his viewers' perceptions.
Talk radio is worse than 1000 Jeremiah Wrights.
Do you think there are 1,000 Jeremiah Wrights??
Do you think all black churches preach his message?
What exactly is his singular message? Or are these sound bytes taken from a variety of sources? How many people commenting negatively have sat through even ONE entire sermon for any context at all? I can't say I have, and I can't say I care. Of the stuff I have heard, only people running for office would have reason to take offense. Sounds like a lot of stuff I have heard a million times living in DC for 10 years, most of it severly UN-shocking but completely predictable.
I swear, you would think that the 60s and 70s never happened the way people are so prudish about IDEAS. Jesus Christ, people need to turn of CNN and learn some history. Maybe then they wouldn't be shocked that people have views from different perspectives from their own.
What happened to the reasoned, well-informed Sabadabada? Was it all a dream??
I think the "Church" (big C - encompassing entire denomination of whatever they are) may be more proportional, but the "church" (small c - that particular parish) not so much.
That might be the (I think) June 22 thing where there was a rumor that he had been present, but wasn't actually. Came from Bill O.
O'Reilly started the rumor or debunked it??
He didn't start it but spoke about it on a couple of shows, and although it was debunked he has not said anything to change his viewers' perceptions.
Talk radio is worse than 1000 Jeremiah Wrights.
Do you think there are 1,000 Jeremiah Wrights??
Do you think all black churches preach his message?
What exactly is his singular message?
"The profound mistake of Reverend Wright???s sermons is not that he spoke about racism in our society. It???s that he spoke as if our society was static; as if no progress has been made; as if this country ??? a country that has made it possible for one of his own members to run for the highest office in the land and build a coalition of white and black; Latino and Asian, rich and poor, young and old -- is still irrevocably bound to a tragic past."
What happened to the reasoned, well-informed Sabadabada? Was it all a dream??
I think the "Church" (big C - encompassing entire denomination of whatever they are) may be more proportional, but the "church" (small c - that particular parish) not so much.
The particular parish is, by all accounts, primarily Black but is a mixed congregation. It is not strictly Black or to the exclusion of other races.
Rich - I think there are 100,000 Jeremiah Wrights. Maybe not in the same positions of power, but the congregation was clapping and this is not a radical scene at all. Like Chris said, you can't spend any real time in Black neighborhoods or communities or cities without hearing these ideas even just in passing. They're not as far out as the press is trying to make it.
This is like the whole "you sound white" thing on Soul Strut X the entire country. I don't think a lot of these commentators have any idea what they're talking about.
That might be the (I think) June 22 thing where there was a rumor that he had been present, but wasn't actually. Came from Bill O.
O'Reilly started the rumor or debunked it??
He didn't start it but spoke about it on a couple of shows, and although it was debunked he has not said anything to change his viewers' perceptions.
Talk radio is worse than 1000 Jeremiah Wrights.
Do you think there are 1,000 Jeremiah Wrights??
Do you think all black churches preach his message?
What exactly is his singular message?
"The profound mistake of Reverend Wright???s sermons is not that he spoke about racism in our society. It???s that he spoke as if our society was static; as if no progress has been made; as if this country ??? a country that has made it possible for one of his own members to run for the highest office in the land and build a coalition of white and black; Latino and Asian, rich and poor, young and old -- is still irrevocably bound to a tragic past."
I seriously doubt that this was his message every Sunday, but what do I know?
That might be the (I think) June 22 thing where there was a rumor that he had been present, but wasn't actually. Came from Bill O.
O'Reilly started the rumor or debunked it??
He didn't start it but spoke about it on a couple of shows, and although it was debunked he has not said anything to change his viewers' perceptions.
Talk radio is worse than 1000 Jeremiah Wrights.
Do you think there are 1,000 Jeremiah Wrights??
Do you think all black churches preach his message?
What exactly is his singular message?
"The profound mistake of Reverend Wright???s sermons is not that he spoke about racism in our society. It???s that he spoke as if our society was static; as if no progress has been made; as if this country ??? a country that has made it possible for one of his own members to run for the highest office in the land and build a coalition of white and black; Latino and Asian, rich and poor, young and old -- is still irrevocably bound to a tragic past."
I guess that's true if you're the man running for President. It's of poor consolation if you're not, though.
What happened to the reasoned, well-informed Sabadabada? Was it all a dream??
I think the "Church" (big C - encompassing entire denomination of whatever they are) may be more proportional, but the "church" (small c - that particular parish) not so much.
The particular parish is, by all accounts, primarily Black but is a mixed congregation. It is not strictly Black or to the exclusion of other races.
Rich - I think there are 100,000 Jeremiah Wrights. Maybe not in the same positions of power, but the congregation was clapping and this is not a radical scene at all. Like Chris said, you can't spend any real time in Black neighborhoods or communities or cities without hearing these ideas even just in passing. They're not as far out as the press is trying to make it.
This is like the whole "you sound white" thing on Soul Strut X the entire country. I don't think a lot of these commentators have any idea what they're talking about.
I think Barack very wisely stated that these views, that are apparently shared and preached by more than just Rev. Wright, do more to hinder racial progress than promote it.
That might be the (I think) June 22 thing where there was a rumor that he had been present, but wasn't actually. Came from Bill O.
O'Reilly started the rumor or debunked it??
He didn't start it but spoke about it on a couple of shows, and although it was debunked he has not said anything to change his viewers' perceptions.
Talk radio is worse than 1000 Jeremiah Wrights.
Do you think there are 1,000 Jeremiah Wrights??
Do you think all black churches preach his message?
What exactly is his singular message?
"The profound mistake of Reverend Wright???s sermons is not that he spoke about racism in our society. It???s that he spoke as if our society was static; as if no progress has been made; as if this country ??? a country that has made it possible for one of his own members to run for the highest office in the land and build a coalition of white and black; Latino and Asian, rich and poor, young and old -- is still irrevocably bound to a tragic past."
I guess that's true if you're the man running for President. It's of poor consolation if you're not, though.
What happened to the reasoned, well-informed Sabadabada? Was it all a dream??
I think the "Church" (big C - encompassing entire denomination of whatever they are) may be more proportional, but the "church" (small c - that particular parish) not so much.
The big 'C' Church Denomination, again, from what I read/heard being reported, is big 'W' White, with churches like Trinity being the exceptions in large urban areas. And they are backing Wright 110%, also according to what I heard on the radio yesterday. Evidently there is a looooong letter of support on the denomination's main website, and he has recieved unilateral supoort from the Church's main board and leadership.
This whole thing is evidence of the double-standard that EVERY Black American deals with on the daily. I cannot understand how pointing this out offends so many White people (and if I may say, especially holier-than thou White liberal Democrats), but like I said, what the fuck do I know?
That might be the (I think) June 22 thing where there was a rumor that he had been present, but wasn't actually. Came from Bill O.
O'Reilly started the rumor or debunked it??
He didn't start it but spoke about it on a couple of shows, and although it was debunked he has not said anything to change his viewers' perceptions.
Talk radio is worse than 1000 Jeremiah Wrights.
Do you think there are 1,000 Jeremiah Wrights??
Do you think all black churches preach his message?
What exactly is his singular message?
"The profound mistake of Reverend Wright???s sermons is not that he spoke about racism in our society. It???s that he spoke as if our society was static; as if no progress has been made; as if this country ??? a country that has made it possible for one of his own members to run for the highest office in the land and build a coalition of white and black; Latino and Asian, rich and poor, young and old -- is still irrevocably bound to a tragic past."
I seriously doubt that this was his message every Sunday, but what do I know?
please direct me to the videos of him preaching about something else?
That might be the (I think) June 22 thing where there was a rumor that he had been present, but wasn't actually. Came from Bill O.
O'Reilly started the rumor or debunked it??
He didn't start it but spoke about it on a couple of shows, and although it was debunked he has not said anything to change his viewers' perceptions.
Talk radio is worse than 1000 Jeremiah Wrights.
Do you think there are 1,000 Jeremiah Wrights??
Do you think all black churches preach his message?
What exactly is his singular message?
"The profound mistake of Reverend Wright???s sermons is not that he spoke about racism in our society. It???s that he spoke as if our society was static; as if no progress has been made; as if this country ??? a country that has made it possible for one of his own members to run for the highest office in the land and build a coalition of white and black; Latino and Asian, rich and poor, young and old -- is still irrevocably bound to a tragic past."
I seriously doubt that this was his message every Sunday, but what do I know?
please direct me to the videos of him preaching about something else?
wow. So he built his church talmbout America every Sunday? What planet are u on?
I think Barack very wisely stated that these views, that are apparently shared and preached by more than just Rev. Wright, do more to hinder racial progress than promote it.
I'm not arguing against that - and I'm certainly not the intended target for the speech (having never really been offended in the first place).
I'm just saying that these views are relatively commonplace. One conservative columnist took offense at Obama's explanation, by implying that his offense was merely a biproduct of his lack of familiarity with and knowledge of the Black community. It was very much a "I'm not a racist!" argument. But it's true that you can't reconcile anything without understanding the other's viewpoint.
A lot of the better points Wright made are being glossed over - the US government was responsible for abetting the crack cocaine trade; it is complicit in flooding the inner cities with guns; it was responsible for ignoring the AIDS crisis until it had already savaged the G/L/B community, Blacks and Latinos as well; our foreign policy is partially responsible for turning what was once our own proxy army - Al Qaeda - against us. These things are significant and worthy of discussion but because of the way the message was delivered, they're written off.
The idea that big business is screwing us all - and they are - is tossed aside and called "socialist" and "marxist".
John Stewart nailed it last night - "angry Black folks! Lock the car doors!"
That might be the (I think) June 22 thing where there was a rumor that he had been present, but wasn't actually. Came from Bill O.
O'Reilly started the rumor or debunked it??
He didn't start it but spoke about it on a couple of shows, and although it was debunked he has not said anything to change his viewers' perceptions.
Talk radio is worse than 1000 Jeremiah Wrights.
Do you think there are 1,000 Jeremiah Wrights??
Do you think all black churches preach his message?
What exactly is his singular message?
"The profound mistake of Reverend Wright???s sermons is not that he spoke about racism in our society. It???s that he spoke as if our society was static; as if no progress has been made; as if this country ??? a country that has made it possible for one of his own members to run for the highest office in the land and build a coalition of white and black; Latino and Asian, rich and poor, young and old -- is still irrevocably bound to a tragic past."
I seriously doubt that this was his message every Sunday, but what do I know?
please direct me to the videos of him preaching about something else?
wow. So he built his church talmbout America every Sunday? What planet are u on?
Man we have a long way to go.
only on the sundays that obama didn't go.
like the sunday after 9/11 when he said our chickens had come home to roost, obama must have missed that one - but hey, nobody went to church on that sunday.
That might be the (I think) June 22 thing where there was a rumor that he had been present, but wasn't actually. Came from Bill O.
O'Reilly started the rumor or debunked it??
He didn't start it but spoke about it on a couple of shows, and although it was debunked he has not said anything to change his viewers' perceptions.
Talk radio is worse than 1000 Jeremiah Wrights.
Do you think there are 1,000 Jeremiah Wrights??
Do you think all black churches preach his message?
What exactly is his singular message?
"The profound mistake of Reverend Wright???s sermons is not that he spoke about racism in our society. It???s that he spoke as if our society was static; as if no progress has been made; as if this country ??? a country that has made it possible for one of his own members to run for the highest office in the land and build a coalition of white and black; Latino and Asian, rich and poor, young and old -- is still irrevocably bound to a tragic past."
I guess that's true if you're the man running for President. It's of poor consolation if you're not, though.
It's either true or it isn't....no??
If you're the man running for president, then, yeah, you might say that progress has been made. If you're the man on street, though, your perspective might be different. America may or may not be bound to a tragic past, but what is clear is that many Black Americans are mired in a tragic present. Jeremiah Wright's sermon is for them.
That might be the (I think) June 22 thing where there was a rumor that he had been present, but wasn't actually. Came from Bill O.
O'Reilly started the rumor or debunked it??
He didn't start it but spoke about it on a couple of shows, and although it was debunked he has not said anything to change his viewers' perceptions.
Talk radio is worse than 1000 Jeremiah Wrights.
Do you think there are 1,000 Jeremiah Wrights??
Do you think all black churches preach his message?
What exactly is his singular message?
"The profound mistake of Reverend Wright???s sermons is not that he spoke about racism in our society. It???s that he spoke as if our society was static; as if no progress has been made; as if this country ??? a country that has made it possible for one of his own members to run for the highest office in the land and build a coalition of white and black; Latino and Asian, rich and poor, young and old -- is still irrevocably bound to a tragic past."
I seriously doubt that this was his message every Sunday, but what do I know?
please direct me to the videos of him preaching about something else?
wow. So he built his church talmbout America every Sunday? What planet are u on?
Man we have a long way to go.
only on the sundays that obama didn't go.
like the sunday after 9/11 when he said our chickens had come home to roost, obama must have missed that one - but hey, nobody went to church on that sunday.
Do you think he was the only person in America thinking along these lines? That day, walking home after the Pentagon had been hit only a few miles away, I had a former employee of the CIA and the State Dept tell me the same thing in the same exact words. But since she was White and not telling a thousand people how she felt, that's between me and her, right? Grow up.
I think Barack very wisely stated that these views, that are apparently shared and preached by more than just Rev. Wright, do more to hinder racial progress than promote it.
I'm not arguing against that - and I'm certainly not the intended target for the speech (having never really been offended in the first place).
I'm just saying that these views are relatively commonplace. One conservative columnist took offense at Obama's explanation, by implying that his offense was merely a biproduct of his lack of familiarity with and knowledge of the Black community. It was very much a "I'm not a racist!" argument. But it's true that you can't reconcile anything without understanding the other's viewpoint.
A lot of the better points Wright made are being glossed over - the US government was responsible for abetting the crack cocaine trade; it is complicit in flooding the inner cities with guns; it was responsible for ignoring the AIDS crisis until it had already savaged the G/L/B community, Blacks and Latinos as well; our foreign policy is partially responsible for turning what was once our own proxy army - Al Qaeda - against us. These things are significant and worthy of discussion but because of the way the message was delivered, they're written off.
The idea that big business is screwing us all - and they are - is tossed aside and called "socialist" and "marxist".
John Stewart nailed it last night - "angry Black folks! Lock the car doors!"
I agree with that...but here is where we probably disagree.
The Government is mostly white but certainly isn't all "white people".
The average white person would agree that the government is fucked up but when Rev. Wright doesn't distinguish the difference between the Government and "White People" it offends all those non-Governmental whites.
Big Business is mostly white but they don't represent "white people".
The average white person would agree that the Big Business is fucked up but when Rev. Wright doesn't distinguish the difference between Big Business and "White People" it offends all those working class/poor whites.
like the sunday after 9/11 when he said our chickens had come home to roost, obama must have missed that one - but hey, nobody went to church on that sunday.
"Chickens coming home to roost", aka "blowback" was borrowed from certain ex-CIA members' own analysis that was highly publicized in the days after 9/11.
But doubleplusgood marks to you for keeping up the Obama=Muslim spiel.
That might be the (I think) June 22 thing where there was a rumor that he had been present, but wasn't actually. Came from Bill O.
O'Reilly started the rumor or debunked it??
He didn't start it but spoke about it on a couple of shows, and although it was debunked he has not said anything to change his viewers' perceptions.
Talk radio is worse than 1000 Jeremiah Wrights.
Do you think there are 1,000 Jeremiah Wrights??
Do you think all black churches preach his message?
What exactly is his singular message?
"The profound mistake of Reverend Wright???s sermons is not that he spoke about racism in our society. It???s that he spoke as if our society was static; as if no progress has been made; as if this country ??? a country that has made it possible for one of his own members to run for the highest office in the land and build a coalition of white and black; Latino and Asian, rich and poor, young and old -- is still irrevocably bound to a tragic past."
I seriously doubt that this was his message every Sunday, but what do I know?
please direct me to the videos of him preaching about something else?
wow. So he built his church talmbout America every Sunday? What planet are u on?
Man we have a long way to go.
only on the sundays that obama didn't go.
like the sunday after 9/11 when he said our chickens had come home to roost, obama must have missed that one - but hey, nobody went to church on that sunday.
Do you think he was the only person in America thinking along these lines?
the only one who thinks he should be president.
PS. I wont shut-up, I wont grow-up; when i look at you i throw-up.
Well the only thing I'd disagree with is the idea that he didn't make that distinction. Certainly if he was speaking to CNN he would've phrased it differently, but his audience knew exactly what he was talking about. I certainly did.
"The most segregated hour in America occurs on Sunday morning..."
in obama's church anyway
I think we should force Church intergration.
I'd pay to watch an hour of Christians and Satan Worshippers in the same room.
Shit, you don't even have to go that far--just put different sects of the same faith together and watch the fireworks. "That's not how you worship Jebus, you fuckstick! I'll see you in hell...from heaven, where you can't get into, you heathen!"
Why would any self-respecting person, Black or White, Male or Female, want to be President? Look at the last few Presidents: A horny dude, an actor, some old guy and his idiot son. There's no integrity left in that office. I find it vaugely insulting that a Black man or a Woman could only become President after the office of the President has been so debased. It's like sloppy seconds.
Thats why I'm no longer voting?
Whereever I'm at I hear more women not men express disgust when talking about Clinton.
The conservative party really isn't supportive of McCain, he's too soft for them.
And Obama, will have the media rip him down because of that minister he associates with and this is what happens to many black-males once the media finds some so called dirt on us.
I think Barack very wisely stated that these views, that are apparently shared and preached by more than just Rev. Wright, do more to hinder racial progress than promote it.
I'm not arguing against that - and I'm certainly not the intended target for the speech (having never really been offended in the first place).
I'm just saying that these views are relatively commonplace. One conservative columnist took offense at Obama's explanation, by implying that his offense was merely a biproduct of his lack of familiarity with and knowledge of the Black community. It was very much a "I'm not a racist!" argument. But it's true that you can't reconcile anything without understanding the other's viewpoint.
A lot of the better points Wright made are being glossed over - the US government was responsible for abetting the crack cocaine trade; it is complicit in flooding the inner cities with guns; it was responsible for ignoring the AIDS crisis until it had already savaged the G/L/B community, Blacks and Latinos as well; our foreign policy is partially responsible for turning what was once our own proxy army - Al Qaeda - against us. These things are significant and worthy of discussion but because of the way the message was delivered, they're written off.
The idea that big business is screwing us all - and they are - is tossed aside and called "socialist" and "marxist".
John Stewart nailed it last night - "angry Black folks! Lock the car doors!"
I agree with that...but here is where we probably disagree.
The Government is mostly white but certainly isn't all "white people".
The average white person would agree that the government is fucked up but when Rev. Wright doesn't distinguish the difference between the Government and "White People" it offends all those non-Governmental whites.
Big Business is mostly white but they don't represent "white people".
The average white person would agree that the Big Business is fucked up but when Rev. Wright doesn't distinguish the difference between Big Business and "White People" it offends all those working class/poor whites.
I see what you are saying, but I would argue that Wright probably gives people credit for drawing what I would consider OBVIOUS distinctions.
Didn't George Carlin have a line, "The first rule I live by: DON'T BELIEVE ANYTHING THE GOVERNMENT TELLS ME."
George Carlin could have written a line like that and still run for office. Black people, escpecially older Black people feel the same way, but can't express it, because then they are "angry". White dudes are just "indignant". Shameful shit.
That might be the (I think) June 22 thing where there was a rumor that he had been present, but wasn't actually. Came from Bill O.
O'Reilly started the rumor or debunked it??
He didn't start it but spoke about it on a couple of shows, and although it was debunked he has not said anything to change his viewers' perceptions.
Talk radio is worse than 1000 Jeremiah Wrights.
Do you think there are 1,000 Jeremiah Wrights??
Do you think all black churches preach his message?
What exactly is his singular message?
"The profound mistake of Reverend Wright???s sermons is not that he spoke about racism in our society. It???s that he spoke as if our society was static; as if no progress has been made; as if this country ??? a country that has made it possible for one of his own members to run for the highest office in the land and build a coalition of white and black; Latino and Asian, rich and poor, young and old -- is still irrevocably bound to a tragic past."
I guess that's true if you're the man running for President. It's of poor consolation if you're not, though.
It's either true or it isn't....no??
If you're the man running for president, then, yeah, you might say that progress has been made. If you're the man on street, though, your perspective might be different. America may or may not be bound to a tragic past, but what is clear is that many Black Americans are mired in a tragic present. Jeremiah Wright's sermon is for them.
"They weren???t simply a religious leader???s effort to speak out against perceived injustice. Instead, they expressed a profoundly distorted view of this country"
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Actually, sounds like the denomination is majority White Churches, and that particular church has plenty of White members from what I've heard. Not saying it's one of the exceptions, but it is FAR from being some radical wing of a Black Nationalist Movement. No matter what people think of Obama, I think he hit it on the head, this is a generational issue with what Wright was addressing, and as such completely understandable to any White or Black person with a brain that can perform even simple tasks of reasoning.
What exactly is his singular message? Or are these sound bytes taken from a variety of sources? How many people commenting negatively have sat through even ONE entire sermon for any context at all? I can't say I have, and I can't say I care. Of the stuff I have heard, only people running for office would have reason to take offense. Sounds like a lot of stuff I have heard a million times living in DC for 10 years, most of it severly UN-shocking but completely predictable.
I swear, you would think that the 60s and 70s never happened the way people are so prudish about IDEAS. Jesus Christ, people need to turn of CNN and learn some history. Maybe then they wouldn't be shocked that people have views from different perspectives from their own.
I think the "Church" (big C - encompassing entire denomination of whatever they are) may be more proportional, but the "church" (small c - that particular parish) not so much.
"The profound mistake of Reverend Wright???s sermons is not that he spoke about racism in our society. It???s that he spoke as if our society was static; as if no progress has been made; as if this country ??? a country that has made it possible for one of his own members to run for the highest office in the land and build a coalition of white and black; Latino and Asian, rich and poor, young and old -- is still irrevocably bound to a tragic past."
The particular parish is, by all accounts, primarily Black but is a mixed congregation. It is not strictly Black or to the exclusion of other races.
Rich - I think there are 100,000 Jeremiah Wrights. Maybe not in the same positions of power, but the congregation was clapping and this is not a radical scene at all. Like Chris said, you can't spend any real time in Black neighborhoods or communities or cities without hearing these ideas even just in passing. They're not as far out as the press is trying to make it.
This is like the whole "you sound white" thing on Soul Strut X the entire country. I don't think a lot of these commentators have any idea what they're talking about.
I seriously doubt that this was his message every Sunday, but what do I know?
I guess that's true if you're the man running for President. It's of poor consolation if you're not, though.
I think Barack very wisely stated that these views, that are apparently shared and preached by more than just Rev. Wright, do more to hinder racial progress than promote it.
It's either true or it isn't....no??
The big 'C' Church Denomination, again, from what I read/heard being reported, is big 'W' White, with churches like Trinity being the exceptions in large urban areas. And they are backing Wright 110%, also according to what I heard on the radio yesterday. Evidently there is a looooong letter of support on the denomination's main website, and he has recieved unilateral supoort from the Church's main board and leadership.
This whole thing is evidence of the double-standard that EVERY Black American deals with on the daily. I cannot understand how pointing this out offends so many White people (and if I may say, especially holier-than thou White liberal Democrats), but like I said, what the fuck do I know?
please direct me to the videos of him preaching about something else?
wow. So he built his church talmbout America every Sunday? What planet are u on?
Man we have a long way to go.
I'm not arguing against that - and I'm certainly not the intended target for the speech (having never really been offended in the first place).
I'm just saying that these views are relatively commonplace. One conservative columnist took offense at Obama's explanation, by implying that his offense was merely a biproduct of his lack of familiarity with and knowledge of the Black community. It was very much a "I'm not a racist!" argument. But it's true that you can't reconcile anything without understanding the other's viewpoint.
A lot of the better points Wright made are being glossed over - the US government was responsible for abetting the crack cocaine trade; it is complicit in flooding the inner cities with guns; it was responsible for ignoring the AIDS crisis until it had already savaged the G/L/B community, Blacks and Latinos as well; our foreign policy is partially responsible for turning what was once our own proxy army - Al Qaeda - against us. These things are significant and worthy of discussion but because of the way the message was delivered, they're written off.
The idea that big business is screwing us all - and they are - is tossed aside and called "socialist" and "marxist".
John Stewart nailed it last night - "angry Black folks! Lock the car doors!"
Is it common for a Rabbi to speak about the Holocaust during a worship service?
If so, is it done with hatred towards the people responsible or as a lesson as how the world has progressed away from such hatred?
only on the sundays that obama didn't go.
like the sunday after 9/11 when he said our chickens had come home to roost, obama must have missed that one - but hey, nobody went to church on that sunday.
If you're the man running for president, then, yeah, you might say that progress has been made. If you're the man on street, though, your perspective might be different. America may or may not be bound to a tragic past, but what is clear is that many Black Americans are mired in a tragic present. Jeremiah Wright's sermon is for them.
Do you think he was the only person in America thinking along these lines?
That day, walking home after the Pentagon had been hit only a few miles away, I had a former employee of the CIA and the State Dept tell me the same thing in the same exact words. But since she was White and not telling a thousand people how she felt, that's between me and her, right? Grow up.
I dont think its common for Black Churches to sprew "hatred" during service.
I agree with that...but here is where we probably disagree.
The Government is mostly white but certainly isn't all "white people".
The average white person would agree that the government is fucked up but when Rev. Wright doesn't distinguish the difference between the Government and "White People" it offends all those non-Governmental whites.
Big Business is mostly white but they don't represent "white people".
The average white person would agree that the Big Business is fucked up but when Rev. Wright doesn't distinguish the difference between Big Business and "White People" it offends all those working class/poor whites.
"Chickens coming home to roost", aka "blowback" was borrowed from certain ex-CIA members' own analysis that was highly publicized in the days after 9/11.
But doubleplusgood marks to you for keeping up the Obama=Muslim spiel.
the only one who thinks he should be president.
PS. I wont shut-up, I wont grow-up; when i look at you i throw-up.
Do you think it's "hatred" being spewed on those select Rev. Wright sermons??
Shit, you don't even have to go that far--just put different sects of the same faith together and watch the fireworks. "That's not how you worship Jebus, you fuckstick! I'll see you in hell...from heaven, where you can't get into, you heathen!"
Thats why I'm no longer voting?
Whereever I'm at I hear more women not men express disgust when talking about Clinton.
The conservative party really isn't supportive of McCain, he's too soft for them.
And Obama, will have the media rip him down because of that minister he associates with and this is what happens to many black-males once the media finds some so called dirt on us.
I see what you are saying, but I would argue that Wright probably gives people credit for drawing what I would consider OBVIOUS distinctions.
Didn't George Carlin have a line, "The first rule I live by: DON'T BELIEVE ANYTHING THE GOVERNMENT TELLS ME."
George Carlin could have written a line like that and still run for office. Black people, escpecially older Black people feel the same way, but can't express it, because then they are "angry". White dudes are just "indignant". Shameful shit.
"They weren???t simply a religious leader???s effort to speak out against perceived injustice. Instead, they expressed a profoundly distorted view of this country"